General & Others 6 Years Later… How do you feel about Luffy Vs Katakuri?
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Incredible how people don't care about story consistency or logic if they get a choregraphy.
How is Luffy vs Katakuri ''the best fight in the manga'' no less ?
It was riddled with plot armor and bs tropes.
Katakuri beat Luffy numerous times but still lost somehow and even then he just went on his back for reasons...it was an incredibly silly fight and one of the worst.
How is Luffy vs Katakuri ''the best fight in the manga'' no less ?
It was riddled with plot armor and bs tropes.
Katakuri beat Luffy numerous times but still lost somehow and even then he just went on his back for reasons...it was an incredibly silly fight and one of the worst.
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In terms of panel and fight choreography it's still the best fight, just look at this:
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Based on how the fight was... right?
I feel that Luffy have won the fight. There is no way the story can keep going without he winning. He breaking the mirror and locking himself with Katakuri and all others is awesome!
But Oda messed up the fight so much that there is no way it can't look like an asspull for Luffy to win.
And is not like Oda can't make fights that are hard as fuck for the protagonist without looking like an asspull.
Look at Luffy vs Lucci. It was hard as fuck for Luffy. He needed his new gears that had big drawbacks (G3 more than G2) to surpass Lucci similar how Luffy needed G4 to surpass Katakuri (even greater drawback) and as the fight goes the opponent gets used to the new gear.
The thing is. G2 allowed Luffy to overcome Lucci in speed and strength. G3 allowed Luffy to overcome Lucci in strenght by A LOT while giving all his speed. That allowed Luffy to only hit G3 once and then he missed all other attacks and never again used. With G2 drawback every new activation became weaker so instead of overcoming Lucci he was just matching him. And the end he used the rest of his energy to give Lucci the strongest combo (since gattling gun are a bunch of punches and was the fastest attack he ever did on that fight).
Now with Katakuri... His G4 Boundman overcame Katakuri strength but not speed (similar to G3) and he only managed to hit because Katakuri wasn't calm enough to use FS (the key factor of this fight). Then with Snakeman where Luffy was suppose to overcome Katakuri speed since he didn't overcame him in strength he also failed in that. Katakuri was still dodging 99% of the attacks and showing to be faster than Snakeman since he could dodge and hit at same time. Not only that but FS that Luffy was learning during the fight wasn't even used in the final part. Last clash I have the impression that Katakuri chose to tank the attack instead of evading like he was doing before. Not only that but we clearly see how he falls just after Luffy is on the ground with blank eyes (Katakuri is the winner then). After the 10 min Luffy needs to recover haki he crawls out of the hole and see Katakuri stand up before him (again Katakuri is the winner) and then after a dick sucking speech to meaningless hype up Luffy he chooses to fall once again now on his back. This is straight bullshit.
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In my opinion Katakuri won. I don't see that as Luffy's victory. Maybe a draw only.
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Where exactly?
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Luffy vs Kizaru is not a fight to beat each other.
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I'm scared to ask what your favorite form is
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What picture?
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3 power ups.
Internal Damage (prison haki, lol), CoC coating and G5
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Not actually. The whole fight is about overcoming Katakuri. Maybe we could say it has 2 parts with 2 goals... 3 if we push...
The 4 rounds:
1 - Before Tea Time
Luffy is completely clueless of what he is doing at fight. Nothing he does works against Katakuri and all his movements are inferior to Katakuri until he tries to pull G4 and then Katakuri digs him in his awakening. So there is no much goal/knowledge here while already having the first asspull of Katakuri being unaware Luffy would survive this.
2 - Post Tea Time
Here we have Katakuri getting angry and losing his calm then exposing to Luffy the weakness of his FS ability. Here Luffy for the first time hits Katakuri and have a small window of opportunity to beat him almost freely and maybe even end the fight but then Katakuri gets his calm back again and he take control of the fight once more.
3 - 10 minutes after G4 drawback
After Luffy used Brulee to escape from Katakuri and recover his haki then Luffy is decided to use this fight against Katakuri to learn FS as well. Then when he go back into Mirror World he is trying to be calm and focus on his CoO to predict movements in the future.
4 - G4 Snakeman
Here is the final clash where the goal is to finally have a winner for this fight. Luffy using a transformation that is supposed to be faster than Katakuri and overcome his FS with speed without Luffy using the FS he just learned before this.
I'd say the only 2 goals of this fight were after Luffy get in Mirror World again to learn FS and then to beat Katakuri. I don't see much goal before that since Luffy wasn't really sure about what he could do. And talking about getting help... Luffy used Brulee to avoid the fight while he didn't had haki just like people of Dressrosa ran around with Luffy until he got his haki back. Katakuri stabbed himself to be under same conditions as Luffy after Flampe got in their fight and made Katakuri hit Luffy just like Luffy and Doflamingo stated each other to be equally damaged.
So if Luffy had help against Doflamingo he also had against Katakuri. Doflamingo wanking is absurd since Oda makes sure to always put fighters under same conditions before last round. Luffy vs Kaido was the same.
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I don't like Zoro vs Kaku that much (Pre TS right?). Zoro vs King should be right after Zoro vs Daz.
I also don't like Luffy vs Usopp. Would have Luffy vs Doffy in 4th and Luffy vs Katakuri in 5th.
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Zoro can beat almost all Luffy's villains in the same arc. I guess the only one were Buggy and MAYBE Enel.
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Okayish, I like how they gained each other respect during the fights although I know that's one of the aspect people didn't like.
But tbh Katakuri didn't strike me as the normal villain when we first met him. We will probably see more of him in the future, I think Oda likes him a lot and the Pudding plot will bring him back into the story. And of course he won't be outdated strength wise, Oda will boost him compared to what we've seen in WCI.
About the fight itself, some chapters had good choreography especially the ones where Luffy is in G4.
But tbh Katakuri didn't strike me as the normal villain when we first met him. We will probably see more of him in the future, I think Oda likes him a lot and the Pudding plot will bring him back into the story. And of course he won't be outdated strength wise, Oda will boost him compared to what we've seen in WCI.
About the fight itself, some chapters had good choreography especially the ones where Luffy is in G4.
I was never super into the fight. Luffy was im big moms territory so he should have fought big mom. Of course he would have lost but that's all the nore reason he shouldnt have been invading a yonkou's territory. As strong as he made Katakuri he stills falls a bit to power creep. Katakuri as a character is great though. Oda should have came up with something more impressive than Snakeman to take down katakuri.
Sanji and Jinbe should have defeated Katakuri. Snakeman is the worst power up Luffy ever got and FS should have been restricted to actual CoO specialists, like Sanji, Koby, and Katakuri himself.
The Mirrow world was a really cool place for a fight tho
I almost forgot about the merienda thing. One Piece at its worst
The Mirrow world was a really cool place for a fight tho
I almost forgot about the merienda thing. One Piece at its worst
Like every character in a shonen manga and even less than most.
Can you name all the fights and the power ups he got ? You will probably find less than 5 times.
Luffy gets multiple power ups per fight lol
I didn't mention power ups though did I ?
I was talking about how the fight went and how Luffy never managed to ''defeat'' Katakuri in the traditional way. Kata just went to sleep willingly lmao
Zoro is way too much in your mind, he is not real you know ?
Can you name all the fights and the power ups he got ? You will probably find less than 5 times.
Luffy gets multiple power ups per fight lol
I didn't mention power ups though did I ?
I was talking about how the fight went and how Luffy never managed to ''defeat'' Katakuri in the traditional way. Kata just went to sleep willingly lmao
Zoro is way too much in your mind, he is not real you know ?
My man in christ you talk about plot armor and bs tropes (without mentioning them, and bs tropes encompasses power up for shonen, but I guess that you are just randomly spouting buzzwords now) but are a fan of a walking trope yourself, so much that you identify as him making him your propic and name on a forum.. You know Zoro is not real, right?
I don't know why 5 is a relevant number, but every important fight Zoro has with a non-fodder he awakens a new power, it happens with Kaku out of nowhere, with King and and with mr.1, again out of nowhere for mr.1.
At least in Luffy v Katakuri you see Luffy trying to learn it from Katakuri himself.
I don't understand why Luffy winning a battle of principle with the best choreography so far in the manga is such a problem for you.
And again, Luffy "did not win".
Don't you guys ever get tired of saying that Luffy never wins his fights?
I don't know why 5 is a relevant number, but every important fight Zoro has with a non-fodder he awakens a new power, it happens with Kaku out of nowhere, with King and and with mr.1, again out of nowhere for mr.1.
At least in Luffy v Katakuri you see Luffy trying to learn it from Katakuri himself.
I don't understand why Luffy winning a battle of principle with the best choreography so far in the manga is such a problem for you.
And again, Luffy "did not win".
Don't you guys ever get tired of saying that Luffy never wins his fights?