Current Events A Decade of Zoro Propaganda Down the Toilet-How Zoro Himself Destroyed the Swordsmen Narrative
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Filler is non canon. Besides, Issho obviously wasn't going full out.
I guess you still can't read. 
Zoro says; he too act like a non-swordsman if he has to since he needs to win against King no matter what. Being a swordsman might not be enough for him to win against King. He can do more.
Even if Shanks is a swordsman, which he never said in the manga he is (databooks also said King is a swordsman see how things turned out) then he can still win against Mihawk with the methods that Zoro said against King, with non-swordsman methods. Mihawk’s title doesn't even make him stronger than other swordsman because other swordsman are also free to use other fighting methods to win against Mihawk and they won't be stronger swordsman than Mihawk, they would be just overall stronger than Mihawk.
And what's your evidence that Shanks is a swordsman and can't use other methods to win against a swordsman? Shanks and his men literally told Higuma that they are pirates and they don't fight fair and square. Shanks can be tricky and he can fight dirty without using any traditional forms and techniques.
Shanks also didn't show a single traditional form or technique with his sword all he did was blocking WB's naginata and Akainu's magma fist, that doesn't require any form or technique. Any ape with a sword can do that see: Hihimaru with a sword fighting Page One.
Zoro says; he too act like a non-swordsman if he has to since he needs to win against King no matter what. Being a swordsman might not be enough for him to win against King. He can do more.
Even if Shanks is a swordsman, which he never said in the manga he is (databooks also said King is a swordsman see how things turned out) then he can still win against Mihawk with the methods that Zoro said against King, with non-swordsman methods. Mihawk’s title doesn't even make him stronger than other swordsman because other swordsman are also free to use other fighting methods to win against Mihawk and they won't be stronger swordsman than Mihawk, they would be just overall stronger than Mihawk.
And what's your evidence that Shanks is a swordsman and can't use other methods to win against a swordsman? Shanks and his men literally told Higuma that they are pirates and they don't fight fair and square. Shanks can be tricky and he can fight dirty without using any traditional forms and techniques.
Shanks also didn't show a single traditional form or technique with his sword all he did was blocking WB's naginata and Akainu's magma fist, that doesn't require any form or technique. Any ape with a sword can do that see: Hihimaru with a sword fighting Page One.
So it’s not really a surprise to anybody outside of sword swallowers, but King just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oda does not view the term “swordsman” as being as simplistic as “anybody who uses a Sword in combat:
I suppose the beautiful irony in this is that King actually didn’t say anything about not being a Swordsman, Zoro himself did as Zoro clearly states that wielding a sword does not make one a swordsman.
All these years of “Fujitora is a Swordsman because he carried a sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Whitebeard himself is beneath Mihawk because Oda considers his Bisento a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Ryuma over Roger because Roger has a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
You see, even Zoro fans themselves knew that Oda never viewed a Swordsman as just any person to carry a Sword, but for years they have tried to argue that there is no canonical basis for characters who wield swords not being Swordsman. No longer, as Zoro acknowledges that King himself is not a Swordsman despite wielding a sword as his primary weapon lol.
You can wield a sword and not be a swordsman. You can wield a sword and still be stronger than Mihawk. You can wield a Sword and that doesn’t mean you’ll be weaker than EOS Zoro.
Mihawk’s Title of “World’s Strongest Swordsman”, LITERALLY means that he has the strongest Swordsmanship in the world, not that he is stronger than every character who carries a Sword.
We have all known this for years, Zoro fans themselves have known this for years, but now they no longer have any canonical basis for the spreading of their propaganda.
The war is over. But Mihawk is still stronger than Shanks.
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I suppose the beautiful irony in this is that King actually didn’t say anything about not being a Swordsman, Zoro himself did as Zoro clearly states that wielding a sword does not make one a swordsman.
All these years of “Fujitora is a Swordsman because he carried a sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Whitebeard himself is beneath Mihawk because Oda considers his Bisento a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Ryuma over Roger because Roger has a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
You see, even Zoro fans themselves knew that Oda never viewed a Swordsman as just any person to carry a Sword, but for years they have tried to argue that there is no canonical basis for characters who wield swords not being Swordsman. No longer, as Zoro acknowledges that King himself is not a Swordsman despite wielding a sword as his primary weapon lol.
You can wield a sword and not be a swordsman. You can wield a sword and still be stronger than Mihawk. You can wield a Sword and that doesn’t mean you’ll be weaker than EOS Zoro.
Mihawk’s Title of “World’s Strongest Swordsman”, LITERALLY means that he has the strongest Swordsmanship in the world, not that he is stronger than every character who carries a Sword.
We have all known this for years, Zoro fans themselves have known this for years, but now they no longer have any canonical basis for the spreading of their propaganda.
The war is over. But Mihawk is still stronger than Shanks.
@Light D Lamperouge @HA001 @ShishioIsBack @Cinera @TheAncientCenturion @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @Echizen_Jo_Ndule @Erkan12 @Seth @TheKnightOfTheSea @MarineHQ62 @silverfire @GreenEggsAHam @Van @Jiihad @Bogard @comrade @Sentinel @playa4321 @chrono @Zoro D Goat @Mr. Anderson @Pantheos @Gol D. Roger @Dark Admiral @Fruitji @VersusPhD @Admiral Borsalino"Kizaru" @Admiral Mou Bu @Xione @Desolate Smaug @Beerbottle @Den_Den_Mushi @dizzy2341 etc etc etc
So it’s not really a surprise to anybody outside of sword swallowers, but King just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oda does not view the term “swordsman” as being as simplistic as “anybody who uses a Sword in combat:
I suppose the beautiful irony in this is that King actually didn’t say anything about not being a Swordsman, Zoro himself did as Zoro clearly states that wielding a sword does not make one a swordsman.
All these years of “Fujitora is a Swordsman because he carried a sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Whitebeard himself is beneath Mihawk because Oda considers his Bisento a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Ryuma over Roger because Roger has a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
You see, even Zoro fans themselves knew that Oda never viewed a Swordsman as just any person to carry a Sword, but for years they have tried to argue that there is no canonical basis for characters who wield swords not being Swordsman. No longer, as Zoro acknowledges that King himself is not a Swordsman despite wielding a sword as his primary weapon lol.
You can wield a sword and not be a swordsman. You can wield a sword and still be stronger than Mihawk. You can wield a Sword and that doesn’t mean you’ll be weaker than EOS Zoro.
Mihawk’s Title of “World’s Strongest Swordsman”, LITERALLY means that he has the strongest Swordsmanship in the world, not that he is stronger than every character who carries a Sword.
We have all known this for years, Zoro fans themselves have known this for years, but now they no longer have any canonical basis for the spreading of their propaganda.
The war is over. But Mihawk is still stronger than Shanks.
@Light D Lamperouge @HA001 @ShishioIsBack @Cinera @TheAncientCenturion @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @Echizen_Jo_Ndule @Erkan12 @Seth @TheKnightOfTheSea @MarineHQ62 @silverfire @GreenEggsAHam @Van @Jiihad @Bogard @comrade @Sentinel @playa4321 @chrono @Zoro D Goat @Mr. Anderson @Pantheos @Gol D. Roger @Dark Admiral @Fruitji @VersusPhD @Admiral Borsalino"Kizaru" @Admiral Mou Bu @Xione @Desolate Smaug @Beerbottle @Den_Den_Mushi @dizzy2341 etc etc etc
I suppose the beautiful irony in this is that King actually didn’t say anything about not being a Swordsman, Zoro himself did as Zoro clearly states that wielding a sword does not make one a swordsman.
All these years of “Fujitora is a Swordsman because he carried a sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Whitebeard himself is beneath Mihawk because Oda considers his Bisento a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Ryuma over Roger because Roger has a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
You see, even Zoro fans themselves knew that Oda never viewed a Swordsman as just any person to carry a Sword, but for years they have tried to argue that there is no canonical basis for characters who wield swords not being Swordsman. No longer, as Zoro acknowledges that King himself is not a Swordsman despite wielding a sword as his primary weapon lol.
You can wield a sword and not be a swordsman. You can wield a sword and still be stronger than Mihawk. You can wield a Sword and that doesn’t mean you’ll be weaker than EOS Zoro.
Mihawk’s Title of “World’s Strongest Swordsman”, LITERALLY means that he has the strongest Swordsmanship in the world, not that he is stronger than every character who carries a Sword.
We have all known this for years, Zoro fans themselves have known this for years, but now they no longer have any canonical basis for the spreading of their propaganda.
The war is over. But Mihawk is still stronger than Shanks.
@Light D Lamperouge @HA001 @ShishioIsBack @Cinera @TheAncientCenturion @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @Echizen_Jo_Ndule @Erkan12 @Seth @TheKnightOfTheSea @MarineHQ62 @silverfire @GreenEggsAHam @Van @Jiihad @Bogard @comrade @Sentinel @playa4321 @chrono @Zoro D Goat @Mr. Anderson @Pantheos @Gol D. Roger @Dark Admiral @Fruitji @VersusPhD @Admiral Borsalino"Kizaru" @Admiral Mou Bu @Xione @Desolate Smaug @Beerbottle @Den_Den_Mushi @dizzy2341 etc etc etc
That’s not his fighting style, that’s an attack name.
Fighting Style: Santoryuu for Zoro, Gravity Blade for Fujitora
Attack name: Onigiri, Toragara etc for Zoro, Raging Tiger for Fujitora
Yeah, he loves the character, he loves the actor, he made his own version of him complete with sword… but he’s somehow not going to be a swordsman which is what the character is most famous for?
Terrible argument. Fujitora is nothing like Katakuri, who a) Zoro hasn’t met and b) doesn’t fight with a sword.
Immediately after starting to fight King Oda made it clear to the readers that, despite him fighting with a sword, he is not a swordsman. When Zoro fought Mr 1, Oda made it clear Mr 1 was not a swordsman.
And it is not obvious that Fujitora is not a swordsman, it’s actually the complete opposite, not least because of who he is based on. Every Japanese reader upon seeing Fujitora for the first time would have thought “Zatoichi! Must be a swordsman!” And him fighting entirely with a sword, and running into Zoro, the main swordsman of the series, throughout the arc, would do nothing to dispel that. He’s entirely the type of character who should be getting the “you’re not really a swordsman, are you?” treatment from Zoro, if that was to be the case.
Except he literally he does. His sword is not irrelvant, and that‘s why he has used it in every fight he has been in and named his fighting style after it.
This is not Kizaru, who we know can use a sword, but is also perfectly capable of fighting without one. This is a guy who you will not be able to provide a single panel of him fighting without his sword.
Fighting Style: Santoryuu for Zoro, Gravity Blade for Fujitora
Attack name: Onigiri, Toragara etc for Zoro, Raging Tiger for Fujitora
Yeah, he loves the character, he loves the actor, he made his own version of him complete with sword… but he’s somehow not going to be a swordsman which is what the character is most famous for?
Terrible argument. Fujitora is nothing like Katakuri, who a) Zoro hasn’t met and b) doesn’t fight with a sword.
Immediately after starting to fight King Oda made it clear to the readers that, despite him fighting with a sword, he is not a swordsman. When Zoro fought Mr 1, Oda made it clear Mr 1 was not a swordsman.
And it is not obvious that Fujitora is not a swordsman, it’s actually the complete opposite, not least because of who he is based on. Every Japanese reader upon seeing Fujitora for the first time would have thought “Zatoichi! Must be a swordsman!” And him fighting entirely with a sword, and running into Zoro, the main swordsman of the series, throughout the arc, would do nothing to dispel that. He’s entirely the type of character who should be getting the “you’re not really a swordsman, are you?” treatment from Zoro, if that was to be the case.
Except he literally he does. His sword is not irrelvant, and that‘s why he has used it in every fight he has been in and named his fighting style after it.
This is not Kizaru, who we know can use a sword, but is also perfectly capable of fighting without one. This is a guy who you will not be able to provide a single panel of him fighting without his sword.
So it’s not really a surprise to anybody outside of sword swallowers, but King just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oda does not view the term “swordsman” as being as simplistic as “anybody who uses a Sword in combat:
I suppose the beautiful irony in this is that King actually didn’t say anything about not being a Swordsman, Zoro himself did as Zoro clearly states that wielding a sword does not make one a swordsman.
All these years of “Fujitora is a Swordsman because he carried a sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Whitebeard himself is beneath Mihawk because Oda considers his Bisento a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Ryuma over Roger because Roger has a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
You see, even Zoro fans themselves knew that Oda never viewed a Swordsman as just any person to carry a Sword, but for years they have tried to argue that there is no canonical basis for characters who wield swords not being Swordsman. No longer, as Zoro acknowledges that King himself is not a Swordsman despite wielding a sword as his primary weapon lol.
You can wield a sword and not be a swordsman. You can wield a sword and still be stronger than Mihawk. You can wield a Sword and that doesn’t mean you’ll be weaker than EOS Zoro.
Mihawk’s Title of “World’s Strongest Swordsman”, LITERALLY means that he has the strongest Swordsmanship in the world, not that he is stronger than every character who carries a Sword.
We have all known this for years, Zoro fans themselves have known this for years, but now they no longer have any canonical basis for the spreading of their propaganda.
The war is over. But Mihawk is still stronger than Shanks.
@Light D Lamperouge @HA001 @ShishioIsBack @Cinera @TheAncientCenturion @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @Echizen_Jo_Ndule @Erkan12 @Seth @TheKnightOfTheSea @MarineHQ62 @silverfire @GreenEggsAHam @Van @Jiihad @Bogard @comrade @Sentinel @playa4321 @chrono @Zoro D Goat @Mr. Anderson @Pantheos @Gol D. Roger @Dark Admiral @Fruitji @VersusPhD @Admiral Borsalino"Kizaru" @Admiral Mou Bu @Xione @Desolate Smaug @Beerbottle @Den_Den_Mushi @dizzy2341 etc etc etc
I suppose the beautiful irony in this is that King actually didn’t say anything about not being a Swordsman, Zoro himself did as Zoro clearly states that wielding a sword does not make one a swordsman.
All these years of “Fujitora is a Swordsman because he carried a sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Whitebeard himself is beneath Mihawk because Oda considers his Bisento a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
All these years of “Ryuma over Roger because Roger has a Sword”…debunked by Zoro himself.
You see, even Zoro fans themselves knew that Oda never viewed a Swordsman as just any person to carry a Sword, but for years they have tried to argue that there is no canonical basis for characters who wield swords not being Swordsman. No longer, as Zoro acknowledges that King himself is not a Swordsman despite wielding a sword as his primary weapon lol.
You can wield a sword and not be a swordsman. You can wield a sword and still be stronger than Mihawk. You can wield a Sword and that doesn’t mean you’ll be weaker than EOS Zoro.
Mihawk’s Title of “World’s Strongest Swordsman”, LITERALLY means that he has the strongest Swordsmanship in the world, not that he is stronger than every character who carries a Sword.
We have all known this for years, Zoro fans themselves have known this for years, but now they no longer have any canonical basis for the spreading of their propaganda.
The war is over. But Mihawk is still stronger than Shanks.
@Light D Lamperouge @HA001 @ShishioIsBack @Cinera @TheAncientCenturion @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @Echizen_Jo_Ndule @Erkan12 @Seth @TheKnightOfTheSea @MarineHQ62 @silverfire @GreenEggsAHam @Van @Jiihad @Bogard @comrade @Sentinel @playa4321 @chrono @Zoro D Goat @Mr. Anderson @Pantheos @Gol D. Roger @Dark Admiral @Fruitji @VersusPhD @Admiral Borsalino"Kizaru" @Admiral Mou Bu @Xione @Desolate Smaug @Beerbottle @Den_Den_Mushi @dizzy2341 etc etc etc
you saying EXACTLY what's in my mind (even to the point of Mihawv VS Shanks)
I been providing them proves for 4-5 years but we can't make them understand if they don't want to understand, even this clear statement of Zoro himself is not enough for them
Luigi the blind swordsman that is not a swordsman...
Your weakest troll to date @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
Your weakest troll to date @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
In the databooks only right? 
Then @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung the troll needs to decide which source he is going to follow.
Shanks too never said he is a swordsman in the manga but databooks states Shanks is a swordsman, just like Fujitora and Law are swordsman according to databooks.
-Either no one (includes Shanks) is a swordsman unless they say in the manga
-Or all of them are swordsman and weaker than Mihawk (according to troll Lee) because databooks said so.
Here you go Lee boy...
You are desperate as usual due to your Shanks hate. 
Then @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung the troll needs to decide which source he is going to follow.
Shanks too never said he is a swordsman in the manga but databooks states Shanks is a swordsman, just like Fujitora and Law are swordsman according to databooks.
-Either no one (includes Shanks) is a swordsman unless they say in the manga
-Or all of them are swordsman and weaker than Mihawk (according to troll Lee) because databooks said so.
Here you go Lee boy...
You are desperate as usual due to your Shanks hate. 
