Speculations A "Mental Nerf" Is No Excuse for Kizaru Failing to Deal Significant Damage

Wizak08

Wizak08

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Dragon777 said:
Ray was going all out because he explicilty said It. It's that easy.

And it's useless to talk about visuals in a period of the manga where haki was totally invisible too.

Ray was shawn huffing and sweating and more so he himself said he wanted to do more, but couldn't.
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Luffy said he always go all out after his fight with Lucci, doesn't make it true. Kuzan said that they needed all to gang up on him and barely managed, was that true?
 
Cadis Etrama Di Urek

Cadis Etrama Di Urek

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#83
#83
Wizak08 said:
Luffy said he always go all out after his fight with Lucci, doesn't make it true. Kuzan said that they needed all to gang up on him and barely managed, was that true?
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The mental gymnastics.

So in your belief, Rayleigh wanted Luffy and the rest of the promising new gen to die and self warp yourself into believing he was lying about not being able to help.

Logic 100.


Almost as bad as the Luffy could have restarted his heart at any time brigade ngl.
 
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Dragon777

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Wizak08 said:
Luffy said he always go all out after his fight with Lucci, doesn't make it true. Kuzan said that they needed all to gang up on him and barely managed, was that true?
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Ray said he wanted to save the mugi but couldn't; didi he wanted then dead?

Sometime I really struggle to undestand this agenda even against the reality.
Not to mention general phrases or Kuzan saying someting when he clearly has agenda and clearly didn't go PH style =\ Ray, that hasn't a reason in the world to not go all out, as he said he was going.
But I'll wait on why Ray wanted them dead.
 
Wizak08

Wizak08

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Cadis Etrama Di Urek said:
The mental gymnastics.

So in your belief, Rayleigh wanted Luffy and the rest of the promising new gen to die and self warp yourself into believing he was lying about not being able to help.

Logic 100.


Almost as bad as the Luffy could have restarted his heart at any time brigade ngl.
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He couldn't help them because there a equal foe standing next him, he would've needed to defeat Kizaru first to do that and even if that happened, by the time it happens, the same scenario would've gotten the strawhats. Anyways reply regarding the kuzan point.
 
Wizak08

Wizak08

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Dragon777 said:
Ray said he wanted to save the mugi but couldn't; didi he wanted then dead?

Sometime I really struggle to undestand this agenda even against the reality.
Not to mention general phrases or Kuzan saying someting when he clearly has agenda and clearly didn't go PH style =\ Ray, that hasn't a reason in the world to not go all out, as he said he was going.
But I'll wait on why Ray wanted them dead.
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Because there was an equal foe standing next to him, at no point did I act like Rayleigh actually went out, he would've just brushed over Kizaru. The same scenario would've happened to the strawhats. So now Kuzan words don't mean literally.. yh OK.
 
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Dragon777

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Wizak08 said:
Because there was an equal foe standing next to him, at no point did I act like Rayleigh actually went out, he would've just brushed over Kizaru. The same scenario would've happened to the strawhats. So now Kuzan words don't mean literally.. yh OK.
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I'll ask again then: the mugi were being slaughtered, Ray said he couldn't do more. Why he wanted them dead then?

And no, I'll try again in case this Is not some some beyond stupid agenda but a legit question: we know Kuzan had agenda, not to mention we know what he did at PH; we don't know of any reason whatsoever for Ray not helping the mugi.
 
Uncle Van

Uncle Van

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Wizak08 said:
He couldn't help them because there a equal foe standing next him, he would've needed to defeat Kizaru first to do that and even if that happened, by the time it happens, the same scenario would've gotten the strawhats. Anyways reply regarding the kuzan point.
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Still doesn't make any sense. Rayleigh was running on fumes and struggling. Couldn't he have just used ACOC to not struggle so much or just knock Kiz away? Kiz could knock Luffy away to attack Vegapunk.

You're still saying Ray was deliberately not trying his best and letting the SHs get killed.
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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Cadis Etrama Di Urek said:
Are you having a laugh?

Kizaru literally did that on egghead when every random attack from him wasn't leveling multiple buildings worth of space.

The magatama he spammed was far less destructive and smaller than what he used on Marineford.

It's flat out stated to us and him that he should not cause damage cause eghhead is too valuable.
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So you just gonna skip over the first point? All you did was expound my point. Because Kizaru downscaled his light beams it cause less DC.

DC doesn't always necessary tied with AP.

His beams doesn't change damage. It only changes DC
 
Daves John

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#92
MonsterKaido said:
Honestly that writing choice for Kizaru make no sense. He is helping luffy so that luffy can save bonney and co but he himself also nearly was going to cut bonney in half?
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He tried his best to help them while doing his job, but with Saturn there and Kuma hitting him, he had to act as it would be direct insubordination otherwise.
 
grey matter

grey matter

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Philosoraptor said:
You can change the range of light attacks but you can't change the damage output of light attacks.
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Why not?

You can make the light more concentrated or intense, increase frequency of the waves, etc.
Maybe even amp with haki, though we don't know if that's possible yet (except with the light sword).

Fodder pacifista have light attacks, they aren't the same attack power are Kizaru, are they?
 
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