Speculations A theory about Ryuma

[S.W317]

Originally the Kozuki were not the rulers of Wano but were the stone masons and blacksmiths under the Ethan Baron family who are the actual rulers of Wano and Wano was one of the 20 kingdoms who fought against the Ancient kingdom

The fist Kozuki is the Kozuki Kitetsu who made both the first Kitestsu and Shisui. During that time the Shimotsuki were not Daimyos and Ryuma was a samurai who traveled the world, until he met Joy Boy and he is the link between him and the Kozuki’s in fact and after the events of the void century he was given the title of Daimyo

But he was the right hand of Joy Boy similar to JB, the events of Monsters was before he met Joy Boy and the beginning of the war and during the Void Century he killed the Ethan Baron God Knight and the first King of the 20. The one who pledged the empty throne oath later was his successor

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Ryuma was born after the Void Century, as he had fought off the World Government, which hadn't existed yet during the Void Century.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Originally the Kozuki were not the rulers of Wano but were the stone masons and blacksmiths under the Ethan Baron family who are the actual rulers of Wano and Wano was one of the 20 kingdoms who fought against the Ancient kingdom

The fist Kozuki is the Kozuki Kitetsu who made both the first Kitestsu and Shisui. During that time the Shimotsuki were not Daimyos and Ryuma was a samurai who traveled the world, until he met Joy Boy and he is the link between him and the Kozuki’s in fact and after the events of the void century he was given the title of Daimyo

But he was the right hand of Joy Boy similar to JB, the events of Monsters was before he met Joy Boy and the beginning of the war and during the Void Century he killed the Ethan Baron God Knight and the first King of the 20. The one who pledged the empty throne oath later was his successor

Ryuma and Joyboy are from two very different eras. Ryuma from an era where the world government has already conquered the world, Joyboy is from the era predating them

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Ryuma was born after the Void Century, as he had fought off the World Government, which hadn't existed yet during the Void Century.

Yea makes semse, but remember these are century long rumors. Oda always put context on situations. I am wondering too if Ethan is from Wano. If thats the case then wouldn't his clan of been the main leaders then switched it to someone else like Doffy family did.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Yea makes semse, but remember these are century long rumors. Oda always put context on situations. I am wondering too if Ethan is from Wano. If thats the case then wouldn't his clan of been the main leaders then switched it to someone else like Doffy family did.

I can see Ethan being from from Wano, but from a different time period than the Void Century, I made a theory that he was from Ryuma's time period, and was Ryuma's equal. This could potentially setup a fight between Zoro and a man who rivaled the Sword God, so Oda can showcase firsthand that Zoro has surpassed Ryuma by defeating Ethan.

 

[S.W317]

Yea makes semse, but remember these are century long rumors. Oda always put context on situations. I am wondering too if Ethan is from Wano. If thats the case then wouldn't his clan of been the main leaders then switched it to someone else like Doffy family did.

Which are the Kozuki but then the Kozuki joined Joy boy

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

Ryuma was born after the Void Century, as he had fought off the World Government, which hadn't existed yet during the Void Century.

Where are this from? I don't remember something like this being mentioned anywhere.

Anyway, Ryuma certainly lived after the Void Century because he was born and buried in Ringo, a region from "new" Wano.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I can see Ethan being from from Wano, but from a different time period than the Void Century, I made a theory that he was from Ryuma's time period, and was Ryuma's equal. This could potentially setup a fight between Zoro and a man who rivaled the Sword God, so Oda can showcase firsthand that Zoro has surpassed Ryuma by defeating Ethan.

It's heavily implied that Ethan is from Wano but we don't know how old the gorosei are/when they were given their position. It's possible he was a contemporary of Ryuma's

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Where are this from? I don't remember something like this being mentioned anywhere.

Anyway, Ryuma certainly lived after the Void Century because he was born and buried in Ringo, a region from "new" Wano.

Thats a good point unless they moced his grave

 

[Thaidakar]

Well they lived in different eras.

But two thoughts regarding joyboy and nika.

I find it impressive how nika is still worshipped all around the world, including Wano, considering the fact that he utterly failed and preceeded a WG that actively changed/hid past events.

Also it's interesting that Ryuuma, centuries later, kinda followed Nika's will by holding off the WG from wano which is also a crucial thing to do as wano harbors an ancient weapon

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Well they lived in different eras.

But two thoughts regarding joyboy and nika.

I find it impressive how nika is still worshipped all around the world, including Wano, considering the fact that he utterly failed and preceeded a WG that actively changed/hid past events.

Also it's interesting that Ryuuma, centuries later, kinda followed Nika's will by holding off the WG from wano which is also a crucial thing to do as wano harbors an ancient weapon

Ryuma did what the shandians etc were doing still in the Skypiea arc that happened centuries after Ryuma

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Where are this from? I don't remember something like this being mentioned anywhere.

Anyway, Ryuma certainly lived after the Void Century because he was born and buried in Ringo, a region from "new" Wano.

Chapter 937, Gyukimaru explains that Wano was once known as the land of Gold, and that Pirates lusted after it and World Nobles wanted to rule over it, but they were all held back by Ryuma.

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

Chapter 937, Gyukimaru explains that Wano was once known as the land of Gold, and that Pirates lusted after it and World Nobles wanted to rule over it, but they were all held back by Ryuma.

Well, I did look back at chapter #937, and I found two different translations:

Spoiler

Jaimini's Box

TCB

I really didn't knew TCB's translation and I don't know what to think of it, but Artur from Library of Ohara also doesn't use the "World Noble" (or "Tenryūbito" - 天竜人) term. He usually comments in his analysis when something like this is revealed.

Spoiler

https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/03/21/chapter-secrets-chapter-937-in-depth-analysis/

 

[nik87]

Paralleling Dressrosa and the swap of the royal family ruling over the country, this would be interesting if the Nusjuro family ruled Wano before Kozukis. On the other hand, as others mentioned, it is unlikely that Ryuma lived during that time but after, once CDs started playing their sick games.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Well, I did look back at chapter #937, and I found two different translations:

Spoiler

Jaimini's Box

TCB

I really didn't knew TCB's translation and I don't know what to think of it, but Artur from Library of Ohara also doesn't use the "World Noble" (or "Tenryūbito" - 天竜人) term. He usually comments in his analysis when something like this is revealed.

Spoiler

https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/03/21/chapter-secrets-chapter-937-in-depth-analysis/

The official translation says World Nobles, and that makes the most sense, because regular Nobles live under the rule of Royalty, so it doesn't make sense to be referring to just your everyday person of nobility. What kind of power do they possess in comparison to Kings and Queens, and the World Nobles? Practically nothing. Most nobles are just your average strength person, who don't command armies or anything of that caliber. Wouldn't be much of a feat if Ryuma was protecting Wano from your run of the mill Noble. Royalty would have been the word to use there, if they were referring to other nations with power.

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

The official translation says World Nobles, and that makes the most sense, because regular Nobles live under the rule of Royalty, so it doesn't make sense to be referring to just your everyday person of nobility. What kind of power do they possess in comparison to Kings and Queens, and the World Nobles? Practically nothing. Most nobles are just your average strength person, who don't command armies or anything of that caliber. Wouldn't be much of a feat if Ryuma was protecting Wano from your run of the mill Noble. Royalty would have been the word to use there, if they were referring to other nations with power.

It's nice to know, didn't found any raw. However, it would make sense if they were just "regular" nobles (nobles from many countries around the world) from the Void Century (or before). That would reinforce the OP's theory (although I particularly don't believe it).

And remember, we have countries like Germa Kingdom which can amass a very powerful army. A "noble" from such country would surely be a threat to most places in the world.

 

[Herrera95]

Wano is against World Government how it could be one of the kingdom that fought Ancient Kingdom? They closed the borders and had ties with Zunesha/Minks that are also against WG.

 

[S.W317]

It's heavily implied that Ethan is from Wano but we don't know how old the gorosei are/when they were given their position. It's possible he was a contemporary of Ryuma's

Ethan is the family name not the bald guy, I do believe that the Gorosei are immortal in some way but they are not from 800 years ago. There were 20 kings who formed the WG, the Gorosei ancestors were among those 20, but the only one among the 20 who survived is Imu.

people always forget that the 20 kings were known and also people forget that the families of the Gorosei are among the 20 so you can’t regard the first 20 kings and the Gorosei as 2 different things that existed at the same time because of the Gorosei are 800 years old then they were among the first 20 kings, does what I’m saying make sense to you primitive OP fan base?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Ryuma and Joyboy are from two very different eras. Ryuma from an era where the world government has already conquered the world, Joyboy is from the era predating them

How can someone say something so confidently like its the truth when we actually know nothing about the topic lol

 

[Sir Yasheen]

How can someone say something so confidently like its the truth when we actually know nothing about the topic lol

Because it is the truth that Ryuma fought against the world government which didn’t exist during Joyboys era as the WH was established after the void century.