Questions & Mysteries About Kaidou's WSC status

How is WSC title's legitimation compared to WSM and WSS?

  • less legit than WSM or WSS

    Votes: 20 40.8%

  • similarly legit as WSM, less legit than WSS

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • similarly legit as WSS, less legit than WSM

    Votes: 2 4.1%

  • Similarly legit as both WSM and WSS

    Votes: 22 44.9%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 5 10.2%
  • Total voters
    49
uyuu

uyuu

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#1
#1
Something bugs me. Quite a number of people here said that Kaidou's WSC status is merely a "rumor", or something being "said" by other people. While WB's WSM and Mihawk's WSS is legitimate powerlevel-related tatus.

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1. True or false info

- In Kaidou's introduction chapter, i recall that "people say..."

- Is it a rumor if people said something? Is it a false info?

- People have said that Luffy is 8-meter giant, or some other false info. People have also said Mihawk is WSS, and Kaidou is invincible. Orochi also has Kaidou's name as an easy guarantee even against WG, the strongest collective entity.

- So from these kind of things, people have heard and said false info and people have also heard and said credible info.

- So how about the people mentioned by the narrator? Is it for granted that the mention of "people saying something" means the title is fake?

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2. Comparation to other titles

Sengoku said in Marineford, WSM was about to attack. But in the same arc, WB himself said that he cant be the strongest forever. So for me this shows that WSM title itself, in One Piece, is also less than permanent or absolute.

Kaidou was disarmed by Neko, and also needed a hostage. Sick WB was stabbed into bleeding by Squardo even though Sengoku also said about WB being the WSM.

WSS hasn't been approached by this kind of title-lessening scenes though. But can we say that WSC and WSM titles has similar credibility, due to scenes or statements reducing them both from being absolute?

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3. How do you, personally, fit into all this?

- How absolute do you consider WSC title compared to WSM and WSS?

- Do you have some wishful thinking or some motive, to support or hinder certain characters, as a cause or factor of your consideration?
 
Master OF Haki

Master OF Haki

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#2
#2
uyuu said:
Something bugs me. Quite a number of people here said that Kaidou's WSC status is merely a "rumor", or something being "said" by other people. While WB's WSM and Mihawk's WSS is legitimate powerlevel-related tatus.

---

1. True or false info

- In Kaidou's introduction chapter, i recall that "people say..."

- Is it a rumor if people said something? Is it a false info?

- People have said that Luffy is 8-meter giant, or some other false info. People have also said Mihawk is WSS, and Kaidou is invincible. Orochi also has Kaidou's name as an easy guarantee even against WG, the strongest collective entity.

- So from these kind of things, people have heard and said false info and people have also heard and said credible info.

- So how about the people mentioned by the narrator? Is it for granted that the mention of "people saying something" means the title is fake?

---

2. Comparation to other titles

Sengoku said in Marineford, WSM was about to attack. But in the same arc, WB himself said that he cant be the strongest forever. So for me this shows that WSM title itself, in One Piece, is also less than permanent or absolute.

Kaidou was disarmed by Neko, and also needed a hostage. Sick WB was stabbed into bleeding by Squardo even though Sengoku also said about WB being the WSM.

WSS hasn't been approached by this kind of title-lessening scenes though. But can we say that WSC and WSM titles has similar credibility, due to scenes or statements reducing them both from being absolute?

---

3. How do you, personally, fit into all this?

- How absolute do you consider WSC title compared to WSM and WSS?

- Do you have some wishful thinking or some motive, to support or hinder certain characters, as a cause or factor of your consideration?
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It has been confirmed by Oda in SBS and on Ace's novel that Kaido is indeed the world strongest creature.
Here is Ace's novel.

Oda in SBS.


And if you are doubting Ace's novel's legitimacy then here's a confirmation that Oda helped in its creation by himself and approved it as correct.
 
style

style

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#3
#3
Mihawk title: acknowledged by people in the story (Zoro, Zeff etc.) and by the author (aka, it has a intro box, which is the narrator speaking)

Whitebeard title: acknowledged by people in the story (Shanks, Sengoku etc.) and by the author

Kaido title: acnkwoledged by people in the story (Law, Skull etc.), but the author never called him WSC
 
J

Jo_Ndule

#4
#4
It's not fake or misleading
Sbs, Novels mention him as WSC of OP

He splits the sky already, so he's Yonko level as shanks BM WB. That means his title is legit

If BM and kaido didn't split the sky and affect the seas and island like Wb and Shanks, then you can doubt Kaido strength

He matches BM, clashed Shanks whose haki is way hyped yet didn't suffer any scaror damage on his skin. So yep he's indeed durable and strong enough to not lose to 2 emperors so far.

In his younger years, he fought Oden 2 x and didn't lose, yes Oden was gonna win or not but Kaido still won the battle and war

How much more do you need?

He's the only Emperor whose main hype revolve around strength
 
J

Jo_Ndule

#6
#6
style said:
Mihawk title: acknowledged by people in the story (Zoro, Zeff etc.) and by the author (aka, it has a intro box, which is the narrator speaking)

Whitebeard title: acknowledged by people in the story (Shanks, Sengoku etc.) and by the author

Kaido title: acnkwoledged by people in the story (Law, Skull etc.), but the author never called him WSC
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The author basically calls him WSC, he wouldn't use Kaido as benchmark if he wasn't the strongest person in OP.

People are waiting for Kaido's Intro box, you are all forgetting the whole epilogue by narrator is Kaido's official hype, title and portrayal.
Oda had to make his intro legendary by creating legends. We didn't know much about him that's why Oda created all those stuff.

If he didn't have Yonko level CoC and didn't fight Oden, BM and Shanks without losing then you can doubt his legitimacy.
 
Master OF Haki

Master OF Haki

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#10
#10
style said:
Are you dumb? When you posted this I was writing my post
How could I see it? I was focused on something else.
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And again insulting me for no reason, you could have said the same thing whiteout insulting me.
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For those who don't know it's called stylistic choice, Oda wanted to hype Kaido and instead of having him stending somewhere with box written "world's strongest creature" which doesn't have the same effect as an introduction which hypes Kaido's title by itself.
 
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HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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#12
#12
Master OF Haki said:
And again insulting me for no reason, you could have said the same thing whiteout insulting me.
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For those who don't know it's called stylistic choice, Oda wanted to hype Kaido and instead of having him stending somewhere with box written "world's strongest creature" which doesn't have the same effect as an introduction which hypes Kaido's title by itself.
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No its fake hype. He purposely made it different cause kaido isnt ws anything.
 
G

Gran D. Master

#14
#14
Master OF Haki said:
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Your evidence isn't any different from the people who refuse to call Shanks a swordsman and quote Oda's "but how does he really fight" line as proof that he isn't one. But until Shanks has an into box in the manga which calls him the 'World's strongest hakiman' I'm not buying it, likewise with Kaido and his status which was hyped more in an SBS than in the manga itself

:gokulaugh:
 
ako

ako

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#15
#15
the upcoming war will tell how strong he really is. Hopefully the Marines and other top tiers will enter the battleground as well.

Pretty sure at some stage he will go all out, finally entering his Hybrid form and wrecking the whole place.
 
kom5

kom5

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#16
#16
Its not that legit
chapter 795 has mislead the whole community

Kaido isnt someone who wants to die you can see that in 986 he was scarred someone who likes to die would laugh at it and would be excited he wouldnt allow anyone to interfere someone who wants to die would show

The same with the title I dont think Kaido ever fought outside Wano his only real battles were prob against Oden and Moria
the term as strongest creature prob refers to his crew being full of "beasts" or "creatures"
that means his title is nothing worth

the term air , earth and water:
King "air" , Queen "earth" and Jack "water" he is stronger than them so are the other Yonkos
generally yonko commanders=trash ( Marco and Katakuri are exceptions)

Also Big Mom mentioned that she didnt saw him for decades
WB also didnt saw him in the last 20 years
Shanks become a yonko 6 years ago
BB for 1 year ( Law mentioned after the war none of the yonko did take a great move so nobody challenged each other

Shanks stopped him
Oden scarred him

Kaidos hype is fake Oda just used the two traits (suicide tendence and strongest 1 vs 1 fighter) for baiting us
 
Red Admiral

Red Admiral

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#20
#20
HA001 said:
And stephen paul said hes the strongest swordfighter in the world.
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strongest DF user = the one with strongest DF
strongest Haki user = the one with strongest Haki
strongest swordsman = the one with strongest swordsmanship

but ... I know you won't agree

but at least ... agree that as of now .... Whitebeard title is more legit

- he had a box .... just like Mihawk

but

- he did fought Roger equally
- Garp , Yonko and Sengoku admit he was the strongest
while
- Mihawk didn't fought any one to get his title as far as we know
- no one (Shanks included) said he is above all swordsman

in terms os swordsmanship he is no.1 most likley

but even if sword boys want to say "no his title is about over all power" you need to agree Whitebeard title is still far more legit

that's fair ...
 
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