Powers & Abilities According to Oda, Shanks CoC = Rayleigh CoC
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I'm going to break this down very simply, because you need all the help you can get:
Fishman Island Luffy CoC= 50000 points
Old Rayleigh = 100000 points
Shanks >100000 points
So in that example Old Rayleigh and Shanks can both knock all fishmen out, without confirming they have the same level of CoC, just that they both surpassed a baseline level.
Garp and east blue Luffy can both destroy boulders with their fists, it doesn't mean they are on the same level of punching power, because Garp's excess capacity over that feat is far greater.
Fishman Island Luffy CoC= 50000 points
Old Rayleigh = 100000 points
Shanks >100000 points
So in that example Old Rayleigh and Shanks can both knock all fishmen out, without confirming they have the same level of CoC, just that they both surpassed a baseline level.
Garp and east blue Luffy can both destroy boulders with their fists, it doesn't mean they are on the same level of punching power, because Garp's excess capacity over that feat is far greater.
Imagine saying Shanks is the strongest AdCoC user in the verse while also saying Rayleigh doesn't have AdCoC when Oda places them on the same level in terms of CoC mastery 
the answer was All 100,000 since these are the only one's present plus remember intention matters to and the number of enemies... so if the question was how many would they knock in the plaza itself with thr audience watching... the answer would definitively vary
No the question was how much would “Shanks and the others” knock out.
Oda consciously put him and Rayleigh on the same level even though no one asked about Rayleigh specifically. He didn’t mention Big Mom or Kaido, he chose to highlight Rayleigh.
And the answer wasn’t a definitive “all 100,000”. It was “may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000”, implying that knocking out all of them would be hard for both of them.
Oda consciously put him and Rayleigh on the same level even though no one asked about Rayleigh specifically. He didn’t mention Big Mom or Kaido, he chose to highlight Rayleigh.
And the answer wasn’t a definitive “all 100,000”. It was “may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000”, implying that knocking out all of them would be hard for both of them.
and don't you think the range would vary too..
the influence of the ability depends on how strong the ability is.. not its range.. so if reyleigh and Shanks are capable of knocking all doesn't mean they are equals... its just that their influence or power of Coc is too overwhelming for the 100k... with that in mind Shank's Coc can be more potent than Reyleigh regardless... even tho both are strong enough to knock em out... the question isn't even who's Coc is stronger
the influence of the ability depends on how strong the ability is.. not its range.. so if reyleigh and Shanks are capable of knocking all doesn't mean they are equals... its just that their influence or power of Coc is too overwhelming for the 100k... with that in mind Shank's Coc can be more potent than Reyleigh regardless... even tho both are strong enough to knock em out... the question isn't even who's Coc is stronger
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It neither confirms nor denies it, it's an intentionally vague statement, further obfuscated by being translated from the very grammatically different Japanese into English. The translators do a good job, but then bullshit artists like yourself stretch the translations to fit their narrative, which is just sad tbh.
Is Rayleigh a yonko? Is Rayleigh PK or subordinate? Oda hyped Roger's adv CoC in the flashback, not Rayleighs...
The yonko are the strength barometer of the series, to overcome to become PK.
Shanks is the only yonko not imbued with a ridiculous fruit ability or freakish constitution, and has instead had his CoC hyped every time he has used it, from the beginning of the manga, to passively breaking WB's ship, to Marineford.
You seem to fundamentally not understand One Piece, and are a lost cause. So this post is not to persuade you, but to counter your propaganda.
Is Rayleigh a yonko? Is Rayleigh PK or subordinate? Oda hyped Roger's adv CoC in the flashback, not Rayleighs...
The yonko are the strength barometer of the series, to overcome to become PK.
Shanks is the only yonko not imbued with a ridiculous fruit ability or freakish constitution, and has instead had his CoC hyped every time he has used it, from the beginning of the manga, to passively breaking WB's ship, to Marineford.
You seem to fundamentally not understand One Piece, and are a lost cause. So this post is not to persuade you, but to counter your propaganda.
Question: How many would Shanks and the others knock out?
Oda: Shanks and Rayleigh (mentioned out of nowhere) may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000.
People with functioning brains can draw conclusions on how Oda views Shanks’ CoC proficiency in relation to Rayleigh’s.
But I’m not surprised that someone like you who argues that Shanks isn’t a swordsman has trouble with basic comprehension.
Oda: Shanks and Rayleigh (mentioned out of nowhere) may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000.
People with functioning brains can draw conclusions on how Oda views Shanks’ CoC proficiency in relation to Rayleigh’s.
But I’m not surprised that someone like you who argues that Shanks isn’t a swordsman has trouble with basic comprehension.
Rayleigh was at the top. He was the Vice-Captain of Roger's Crew. To be a Vice-Captain means you have to be able to take the place of the Captain when he's not around and you can't do that if you're not comparable in strenght with him. Roger and Rayleigh, Shanks and Beckman, Luffy and Zoro, Fisher Tiger and Jinbe... All were Captain and Vice-Captain and they all have a comparable strenght
Shanks abd reyleigh are just an example innit.. but even if you consider BM and kaido.. i doubt the answer would change coz oda continues with this..
"In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out"
Oda basically said that in the exact same situation luffy was in Reyleigh and Shanks would have knocked nearly all fodders out.. so he's applying the same condition and case that luffy was in to Shanks and Reyleigh and Luffy's case was to knock all the fodders not worth sweating over.. and Oda consequently says that depending on your proficiency with the technique you'd be able to avoid knocking other people that don't want to knock.. so why am i saying this is coz you don't see fodders stumbling over getting their shit together like some Captains did in marine ford when luffy first used that ability..where Coc affected anyone and everyone not just fodders.. and even the admirals.. so it wasn't focused on a specific group of people that weren't worth fighting thats also why you see the rest of the fodders confused as to WTF DID THIS DOOD DOO in FMI.. coz they weren't targeted by it (as in luffy's intention was to target people not worth fighting) .. but in Marineford you had Sengoku and Admirals literally sweating over tf just happened
so oda separates this case from another case where everyone considerably Lower in power would be a target whether or not they are worth fighting or not..and would eventually submit to the power and knock emselves out
so from how i interpret it is Shanks and Reyleigh in the same case with that specific Coc influence over the 100k fodders would knock nearly all of them coz almost none of them are worth lifting a finger against (basically not worth fighting since oda applies luffy's case to shanks snd reyleigh.. so the intention is to know fodder among fodders lol or not worth fighting)
And this may differ with intention if they (Reyleigh and Shanks) wanted hordy to piss his pants they may have to up their Coc play to knock complete 100k whilst influencing hordy and showing him the difference in strength and make him grovel
In another instance involving luffy... in Udon when he used Coc.. he wanted to wipe out the arena in a match... and he chose to knock the one in the arena and not the audience... even tho they were fodder but arguably. more strong willed than Fishmen in FMI.. and you have another example also in Udon where Hyogoro questions luffy's intentions against Kaido but there were henchmen eavesdropping in their convo and he knows all of em with one show to gradually go unconscious....
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No he's actually right unless its translation mistake.." MAY HAVE BEEN" in the statement he makes.. is indicating not all of them would have been knocked.. prolly you know groveled but knocked..
so the specificity.. the influence potency one decides over another with intention.. should be taken into consideration
So by my interpretation.. Reyleigh snd Shanks sre leagues ahead of luffy but you can't differ their skill level at it.. coz the case of Coc influence was limited to people not worth fighting so not really something that would depict the extent of power they posses
but by portrayal Shank's should posses the power strength that over Reyleigh's caliber.
"In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out"
Oda basically said that in the exact same situation luffy was in Reyleigh and Shanks would have knocked nearly all fodders out.. so he's applying the same condition and case that luffy was in to Shanks and Reyleigh and Luffy's case was to knock all the fodders not worth sweating over.. and Oda consequently says that depending on your proficiency with the technique you'd be able to avoid knocking other people that don't want to knock.. so why am i saying this is coz you don't see fodders stumbling over getting their shit together like some Captains did in marine ford when luffy first used that ability..where Coc affected anyone and everyone not just fodders.. and even the admirals.. so it wasn't focused on a specific group of people that weren't worth fighting thats also why you see the rest of the fodders confused as to WTF DID THIS DOOD DOO in FMI.. coz they weren't targeted by it (as in luffy's intention was to target people not worth fighting) .. but in Marineford you had Sengoku and Admirals literally sweating over tf just happened
so oda separates this case from another case where everyone considerably Lower in power would be a target whether or not they are worth fighting or not..and would eventually submit to the power and knock emselves out
so from how i interpret it is Shanks and Reyleigh in the same case with that specific Coc influence over the 100k fodders would knock nearly all of them coz almost none of them are worth lifting a finger against (basically not worth fighting since oda applies luffy's case to shanks snd reyleigh.. so the intention is to know fodder among fodders lol or not worth fighting)
And this may differ with intention if they (Reyleigh and Shanks) wanted hordy to piss his pants they may have to up their Coc play to knock complete 100k whilst influencing hordy and showing him the difference in strength and make him grovel
In another instance involving luffy... in Udon when he used Coc.. he wanted to wipe out the arena in a match... and he chose to knock the one in the arena and not the audience... even tho they were fodder but arguably. more strong willed than Fishmen in FMI.. and you have another example also in Udon where Hyogoro questions luffy's intentions against Kaido but there were henchmen eavesdropping in their convo and he knows all of em with one show to gradually go unconscious....
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No he's actually right unless its translation mistake.." MAY HAVE BEEN" in the statement he makes.. is indicating not all of them would have been knocked.. prolly you know groveled but knocked..
so the specificity.. the influence potency one decides over another with intention.. should be taken into consideration
So by my interpretation.. Reyleigh snd Shanks sre leagues ahead of luffy but you can't differ their skill level at it.. coz the case of Coc influence was limited to people not worth fighting so not really something that would depict the extent of power they posses
but by portrayal Shank's should posses the power strength that over Reyleigh's caliber.
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