General & Others Ace’s Novel : Part 2

Fujishiro

Just chilling
Don’t make Red Hair mad...you wouldn’t like him when he’s mad :endthis:


:josad::doffycry::crybeard:


This is kinda interesting! Wonder who they were working for before Oldbeard...were they married to some Charlottes? Do they have SMILE capabilities we have yet to see?


#ACAB even in the One Piece world, huh??


Great, more ammunition for the worst people on this forum...

In summation - @Rivaille is a man among boys for providing us with this spectacular translation 😤🤑🥳
I mean all things point toward it, what with him having a stronger crew. It would balance itself out if he himself was a bit weaker. Still extreme diff for any emperor tho.
 
Today I received the French translation of the part 2 of Ace’s novel. I decide to make this recap because some people could not find the previous summary.
(...)
-Red Hair Shanks had several duels with Mihawk and every one of them have made the headlines. Furthermore, most of Shanks’ fame are from those duels. It is also said that he does not seek to become the PK
(...)
this part is sure ?
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
in behalf of Red Temple ... let's review all Shanks info base on novel

- most of his fame is from his duels .... well make sense to me .... but I guess it's the world fame ... Shanks is a shady guy ... most of his actions should be unknown to the world .... so I'm fine with this ... but it's not a one way deal ... I'm sure most of Mihawk fame is from this fight as well ... if not? I'm interested to know more


- people calling Shanks the Roger's hire ... well on WORLD POINT OF VIEW ... it make sense .... not in plot


- Shanks being unstoppable when he is angry .... I think it's true ... he is not the type of man who be angry that easy but he he dose like Luffy he would push himself to next level ... so I can see even 4 years before a mad all out Shanks beating ANY ONE

let's say Whitebeard kill makino in front of Shanks's eyes .... my money is on Shanks ....

just like when Garp was going to kill Akainu ... even that i consider Akainu stronger ... I bet Garp would kill him

- Shanks is hard of shit head rookie .... keep in mind ... the novel is before we know Kidd story ... so this make the novel more canon

- Shanks men rather die to fight Whitebeard ... well ... his vet levels are saying this ... and it's rather true ...

- Shanks was the bar for Yonko level .... it's true as well .... 4 years ago he was surly the weakest among the 4

- Shanks don't want to be PK ... told this many times and world know it



so considering this is 4 years before ... I'm rather fine with this ....
This isn’t dbz where people get rage powerups, exhibit a: luffy vs kaido.
 
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I look over the japanese ver and made some notes @Rivaille
I think people should read over it
hope you don't mind :)
I am open to questions and doubts.

-The novel start with a recap of Roger's legacy and the power structure in place in the One Piece World at the time Ace reached Sabaody.
(Rivaille’s note: the second part start just after Ace defeat Draw).

-We have the reaction of WB to Ace refusing to be a Shishibukai
-Thatch was a the chief cook of the Moby Dick and he was able to do energy food like Sanji.
(I don’t know what you mean by energy food, but the food he gave to WB was just an analeptic/nutritional stamina soup made of sea viper)
-It seems that Thatch and WB were close. Thatch was the one bringing WB is medecine (a newly added one as well, he’ll be scolded by the ship’s doctor if he didn’t make sure WB take it)
-So they reiterate that WB is the WSM but they add that he could destroy an entire island in a blink of an eye.
-WB’s have more than ten thousands men under his command ( including crewmates ans allies)
(tens of thousands would be more accurate)
-We learn that Sengoku highly appreciated Jinbe. Especially because Jinbe is the only one to answer to every shihsibukai's convocation
-The WG asked Ace to be a Shishibukai because the 7th place was vacant.
(Rivaille’s note: at that time Jinbe, Sir Crocrodile, Hancock, Doflamingo and Moria were already Shishibukai which means that it is either Mihawk or Kuma who were not a Shishibukai yet)


-At this time, WB was not ill yet, it is at least what Thatch said to Jinbe
(Rivaille's note: he might have been lying)


-It is reiterated that the Gorosei are under the Celestial dragons’ orders
-Ace explained that when he lose consciousness during his meal it is because the meal is too good

(Also because they don’t have a cook, so their daily meals aren’t all that good. Ace also asked why wasn’t Neptune doing anything about Decken, he should be strong as the king, but he couldn’t even protect his daughter; he said that with him acting this way, there’ll eventually be a coup)

-WB was considered as a hero in Fishman island. The Fishmen trust him more than they trust the WG
-Apparently Neptune greatly help WB when the latter was younger

(should be when Neptune was younger)
-Deuces, Ace’s first mate, said: « In the new world the strongest rule, the dominated survive and the weaks return to Paradise »
(“Looks like these incidents are normal on the sea of New world” Deuces mumbles “The rulers reign, ones who accepted their rule survive, the weak who refuse lose everything and run back [to the Paradise]”)
-Red Hair Shanks had several duels with Mihawk and every one of them have made the headlines. Furthermore, most of Shanks’ fame are from those duels. It is also said that he does not seek to become the PK
(Every headline and fame parts I didn’t see, it just said that it's well known.)
-It is say that it is better to not make Shanks angry because when he is angry no one can stop him.
(According to people in the government, “it’s terrifying if you make Shanks angry”. I don’t know about the “no one can stop him” part)
-It is say that what makes Whitebeard’s angry is when you do not do your duty. There is nothing more important than honor to him and once you are his son he will never let you down. (corrections: he'll never allow his sons to be killed)
-It is say that what make Big Mom dangerous is when she is in a bad mood. Big Mom's crew is compared to a mafia reigning over a country rather than a pirate crew protecting a territory.
-It is say that Kaido existence is horrific in itself. And that his crew are more a group of delinquent than a pirate crew
(Rivaille’s note : these depictions of the emperors are introduce as rumors)


-(If) WB and Big Mom are (considered) from the previous generation (because they were already powerful back then) while (then) Kaido and Shanks are from the generation after that
-For some people, because Shanks was on the Oro Jackson, they considered that he is the heir of Roger
(Rivaille’s note : they think that before Ace was reveal to be the son of Roger)

(WB Pirates alone have over 1000 men)
-On his territories WB had restaurants, casinos, trade, weapons trade, show business...all those activities were there to sustain his tremendous armada. (this part was about the Emperors in general, not just WB. Also, it didn't say it was to support their army)
-Basically, WB had the most men, the most territories and the a huge amount of revenus(didn't see this part)
(Rivaille’s note : this explain Mrs Baggins' words about WB’s treasure)
(the value of using/paying for using a single flag of an Emperor would be worth hundreds of millions, or even more)

-Shanks is the emperor that people have the most difficulty to locate
-Shanks is describe to be very gentle with his friends but to be ruthless with the young bloods who think to high of themselves
(corrections: he won't hold back against outsiders. the second part was a comment made by a random pirate captain and he didn't say ruthless, he said that Shanks pays no attention to the likes of Ace)
-When Shanks met Ace, Red hair used CoC on him but he did not work (As Shanks expected)
-When Shanks used CoC, the fire in front of him gain in intensity (it flickers, but it could be due to Shanks adding another piece of wood in there, interpret it however you want)
-Shanks find that Ace’s way to salute people was weird. He did not know how to react so he looked at Beckman, Roo and Yassop to see how they feel. If he did not attack Ace it is because they did not seems to find Ace’s hostile (Eh.....Okay?)
(Rivaille’s note: interesting to see that Shanks has this much respect and confidence on his lieutenants’ opinion)

-In the Pirates' World showing the palm of your hand when you salute someone, it is a sign of respect and humility(but it's a really old way, and it's not popular anymore)
-When Shanks wants to be menacing he grabs his sword if CoC does not work( it just said he grabs his sword...the other parts..are interpretations?)
-« Beckmann : I bet that Makino is even more gorgeous than before...waht do you think Captain? », « Shanks: Maybe... »
("She probably has grown into a fine woman, that g...right captain" "Who knows.....")
(Rivaille’s note : Yeah, he clearly tapped dat ass )

-Shanks does not consider the straw hat to be more precious than life. Meaning that, for him, the love Luffy has for the straw hat might be too much (Ace: "yeah, he consider it to be more important than his life" Shanks: "......things that are more important than life doesn't exist")
-For Shanks men, WB is worst than the devil and they will prefer to die 100 times rather than face him
-For The people in the One Piece world, WB was the equivalent of a living natural disaster like a earthquake or a tsunami
-One of the Shishibukai tried to kill WB few years prior to the novel
(a long time ago actually)
( Rivaille’s note : I guess it was Sir Crocodile)

-It is reiterate that the stalemate between the emperors is because if one emperor beat another emperor that will just reinforce the influence of the last two(correction: "...even if they win, they would suffer a great damage, and the remaining Emperors would benefit from that")
-At this moment of his life, Ace lives only because of the sakazuki cup he shared with Luffy and Sabo. (correction: the only ones he can trust in order to survive are Sabo and Luffy)
Ace said : « If it was not for (the incident about) Sabo and if I did not have a potty little brother like you...I will never thought of living. »
-Ace hated Roger because he attributed all the suffering he met in his life to Roger. For Him, Roger is the reason why he suffered so much. Therefore he wants to surpass him to erase his legacy. He wanted for people to not call him « the son of Roger » but to call Roger « the father of Ace »
-He never intended to become the PK or to find the One Piece, because for him it would have mean that he just like Roger. No, he wanted to do something different and bigger than being PK
-This what Ace said to Shanks : « The entire world is my enemy. The Shishibukai, the emperors, the celestial dragons...I will beat them all. Once my flames have burn all the summits, I will put my flag on them ».
-Shanks had a hard time to understand Ace’s personality.
-Blackbeard scared Shanks just before he goes to East blue
(before, not "just before")
(Rivaille’s note: BB scaring Shanks is introduce has a big feat)

-At this point of time, those scars do not throb anymore
(Rivaille’s note: as if they were linked to BB’s ambition)


-Even tho Ace projecting to attack WB was beneficial to Shanks, the latter could not help Ace directly. Because it would have start a conflict with WB
-Shanks was on a winter island but before and after Ace presence there was blizzard and falling snow. When Ace was there no blizzard nor falling snow
-Shanks said that he felt Ace’s haki even before Ace reached the island and that Ace’s haki is like flammes
(he said Ace is like flames, not his haki)
-To this Beckman guess that it was because of this that the snow melt
(Rivaille’s note: my guess is that CoC can enhance any ability and that Ace’s CoC make the Mera mera no mi which the impact on the environment)


-For Beckman, Ace is more a revolutionary than a Pirate.(He said he's more like a fighter, but if his goal is to destroy the current world he should join the RA)
-For Beckman, Ace lack of vision would lead him to be only a mere fleet captain (captain of a single ship, not fleet)
-For Beckmann, Ace is an arrogant young blood who believe that he is invincible because he ate a logia
-It is said that the ones deciding who can become a Shishibukai are Sengoku and the Gorosei
-Beckman said that just eating a logia does not justify to be ask to become a Shishibukai nor to have a bounty above 100 millions so there must be something else. Then he said to Shanks that maybe they asked Ace to become a Shishibukai to control him.
-It is implied that after those remarks by Beckmann, after remembering some of Ace's words about Roger during their meeting and Ace’s birthplace, that Shanks understood that Ace is Roger’s son
-It is said that Kaido was above WB in term of strength (Rivaille's note: it is not said if it is Primebeard or Oldbeard but i thin that they are talking of the WB of the novel)
(according to pirate maniac Skull)

-It is said that Kaido is the WSC because of his apparent immortality and that he is a ferocious fighter
-It is said that Big Mom’s family was what made her the most dangerous captain and that she is a formidable business woman
(correction: Big Mom has the "strongest family")
-It is said that WB life accomplishment made him the strongest pirate, that he is the epitome of what it meant to be a pirate
(Rivaille’s note: basically, Kaido is stronger than WB as an individual fighter but WB is stronger than Kaido in term of piracy)


-Doma and A.O (and some other crews) were working for another emperor and attack WB territories
-The place where Ace fought Jinbe was very important for the WB’s Pirates because it was a place where they had a lot of food supplies.
-It is implied that every emperor have food supplies islands and they were easy to conquer
-The WG is depicted as the enemy of the liberty
-It is reiterated that WB is the only man to ever have rivaled Roger
-Ace did not use haki against Jinbe but Jinbe used haki against Ace
(it was implied that Jinbe used haki, whether Ace did or not is unknown)
-It is said that Jinbe vs Ace end on a draw
-WB used CoC on the Spade pirates and he used aerial slash to defeat the ones that did not faint from the CoC’s blast
-What allow Ace to face WB, even tho he was totally beat up and semi-conscious after his fight against Jinbe, was his desire to protect his crew. (Rivaille’s note: he basically create a wall of fire and charge WB on willpower alone)


-WB attacked Ace with CoA on his bisento but Ace has the mental strength to go up after that. He impressed WB by his willpower and this why he asked him to join his crew.
-It said that WB hit Ace so hard after he refused to join him that Ace forgot that the fight happened.
-For the majority of the people of the One Piece world, every pirate is a calamity. For them Roger is not a benevolent figure but the reason why there are so much pirates and why some of them lose beloved ones.
-Roger has a gift to read people’s heart
-Ace’s crewmates have tried to free him from the Moby Dick but they failed
-It is said that WB treat Ace like a mere mosquito when Ace first attacked him
(Rivaille’s note: the scene is describe like the scene with Big Mom and the Brook’s rescue team)


-Ace tried to kill WB on daily basis during several weeks. He tried at different times of the day without success
-One time, one casual hit of WB one shot Ace
(it just said that every time Ace attacks him, he will get slap away like a fly)
-It is say that the emperors and the Shishibukai are the elite of the pirates' world ("the top/summit")
-It is say that Old Beard is weaker than Primebeard but not how much weaker
( Rivaille’s note: this is said by Deuces who tried to explained to Ace how weak he is.)


-It is say that one hundred thousand or maybe millions of people are depending on WB’s protection to be safe
-Thatch told Ace that if WB let them live (Ace and his crew) it is because they were too weak to be a threat to his territories
-When Kotatsu, Ace’s linx, met Teach he was really afraid of him.
-At first, Ace did not like Teach
(in their first meeting, Teach leave the dining hall after he let out a huge fart)
-When Ace understood WB’s importance in the world, he stopped trying to kill him but was willing to have honorable fights against him. To force WB to accept this deal he decided to work for him
(Rivaille’s note: it reminds me of Vinland Saga)


-WB accepted Ace proposal, put him under Thatch’s responsibility and under Teach's tutelage
-If Ace lose 100 fights to WB he had to join his crew
(decided by Thatch)
-Thatch told Ace that at first (he just told them ones who hold the supremacy in the NW changes as time goes on), three men were ruling the new world : Roger, WB and Shiki. But only WB remained.
-He also said that Big Mom still has her territories but she is an exception
(correction: he said Big Mom was already a ruler of her kingdom at that time)
-Thatch says that only 30% of pirates are going into the new world
-It is reiterate that there is no strength hierarchy between the WB’s commanders
-Ace was considering the Marines as the biggest pirate crew
(Rivaille’s note: I think it is akin to people saying that the biggest gang in LA is the LAPD)


-Thatch explained that the marines only protect the part of the new world that they deem important. He elaborated by saying that marines first priority is to protect the WG not the civilians
-Thatch explained to Ace that for him to become an emperor he has to at least become as strong as Shanks
(I didn't see this part)
(Rivaille’s note: this seems to implied that Shanks is the weaker of the emperors)

-It is say that there is no bad rumors about Shanks because he is considered to be a good guy
-The WBP do not partake in slavery or drug trades
-When the WBP destroy a crew that attack their territories and that WB did not deem worthy, they take their treasure, sell their boat, and use middle-man to collect their bounties
-Teach is depicted to have low pain tolerance. He is also depicted to be the pirate archetype
-Teach admit that he is the guy who scared Shanks...but then say that he was joking
-Mr1 was known by Thatch
("That would be handy but......no, that's probably eaten by some killers" I don't lnow if he really knows his name)
-Thatch said that he would love to have the Mera Mera no mi or the clear clear fruit
-Ace manage to hit WB once during their 99 brawl and WB said that is starting to become strong
(WB has burns on his palm)
-It is implied that if WB let Ace fought him it was to train Ace
-Deuces, Ace's first mate, thought that the WG asked Ace to become a Shishibukai because they might have known that he was the son of Roger
-From WB's perpective beating a Shishibukai can increase your reputation as much as beating an emperor
(he either meant that Ace should just accept WG's offer or that he should settle for a Warlord's head instead. Oh and also something I thought was pretty interesting "..why, is he so keen on taking my head. If he's hunting the Four Emperors then Red Hair’s head should be fine too. Could it be, that he thinks I'm easier to deal with because I'm old?")
-From WB’s perspective it seems that Ace was not really eager to become a pirate and did that to respect the promise he did to Luffy and Sabo.
-It is say that the emperor’s title is not for the most violent pirate
("destroyer") but for the one who succeed in creating an empire
-It is say that marines are actively trying to take territories from emperors but they are doing that step by step
-Ace used CoC against a ferocious beast like Luffy against Duval’s bull
-Teach is a beastly and ruthless fighter
-The only time WB used the Gura gura no mi against Ace was during their last fight.
-The novel ends by Ace and WB sharing a Sakazuki cup. It implied that Ace found on WB ship what he search for and that was the end of his journey

(Rivaille’s note: what I understand from that is that Ace became a pirate not to become a pirate per se or to surpass his father but to find a place where he will be happy. If Luffy’s journey is to become PK, Ace journey was to find a place where he would be accepted, which he found on the Moby Dick)
 
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So WB can destroy an entire island in the blink of an eye and Shanks seems to be the weakest yonko. I need to change my view on who is the strongest yonko crew.

Also Kaido is above WB in term of strength I think this refers to Kaido surpasses WB in physical strength.

Ace also used CoC on wild beast does that mean he knows how to use CoC? In MF Ace said you too when Luffy used CoC.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
So WB can destroy an entire island in the blink of an eye and Shanks seems to be the weakest yonko. I need to change my view on who is the strongest yonko crew.

Also Kaido is above WB in term of strength I think this refers to Kaido surpasses WB in physical strength.

Ace also used CoC on wild beast does that mean he knows how to use CoC? In MF Ace said you too when Luffy used CoC.
What was your list before?
 
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NeutralWatcher

What was your list before?
Red Hair Pirates because benn Beckman was compared to Shanks in Vivre Card
WB pirates since Marco, Jozu, Vista Clashed with admirals and Mihawk
BM pirates
Beast Pirates

I think right now WB pirates = Red Hair Pirates. WB pirates have stronger captain WB while Red Hair Pirates have stronger first mate Benn Beckman
 
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NeutralWatcher

I also think that the fact that WB pirates Clashed with Roger pirates for days put them on Red Hair Pirates level or even above them by a small margin.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
Red Hair Pirates because benn Beckman was compared to Shanks in Vivre Card
WB pirates since Marco, Jozu, Vista Clashed with admirals and Mihawk
BM pirates
Beast Pirates

I think right now WB pirates = Red Hair Pirates. WB pirates have stronger captain WB while Red Hair Pirates have stronger first mate Benn Beckman
I was asking about yonkos individually, but i kinda agree with your list, it seems like the lower we go on your list the stronger the yonko is individually for me. And when im talking about WB I am of course talking about oldbeard. If it says that kaido was stronger than oldbeard then i would have to assume that primebeard was a bit stronger than prime kaido ofc course.
If we go with invidual yonko, ive held this belief for a long time:
Primebeard>=Kaido>= Oldbeard=Big mom>=Shanks>=Blackbeard at the moment. With of course each yonko giving the other no less than a high-very high diff fight.
 
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NeutralWatcher

I was asking about yonkos individually, but i kinda agree with your list, it seems like the lower we go on your list the stronger the yonko is individually for me. And when im talking about WB I am of course talking about oldbeard. If it says that kaido was stronger than oldbeard then i would have to assum that primebeard was a bit stronger than prime kaido ofc course.
If we go with inviddual yonko, ive held this belief for a long time:
Primebeard>=Kaido>= Oldbeard=Big mom>=Shanks>=Blackbeard at the moment. With of course each yonko giving the other no less than a high-very high diff fight.
If it's Yonko then I think
Prime WB
Old WB (BM said to Luffy she can beat Shanks, Kaido and EVEN WHITEBEARD of she had poneglyph) so this statement from BM I think put old WB above other yonko.
BM and Kaido seem equal to me. Semgoku described their relationship like cat and dog which shows they are rival.
Shanks though I think the gap is small. Shanks might be hiding his real power
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
If it's Yonko then I think
Prime WB
Old WB (BM said to Luffy she can beat Shanks, Kaido and EVEN WHITEBEARD of she had poneglyph) so this statement from BM I think put old WB above other yonko.
BM and Kaido seem equal to me. Semgoku described their relationship like cat and dog which shows they are rival.
Shanks though I think the gap is small. Shanks might be hiding his real power
That statement was when she tried to marry lola which was years and years ago, when it was primebeard. But overall i respect your opinion. I am just going by what the manga and now this tells me :p. When i say one is stronger than the other, its by a tiny tiny marging. They are all pretty much equal any ways :funky:
Oh and even equals will have a winner in the end, big mom seems to respect kaido enough to telll luffy that they will never take down that thing. For me big mom and kaido is an aokiji and akainu case, several days of fighting to decide the winner. The same goes with shanks vs any of them, except more times than not kaido or big mom win.
 
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