Powers & Abilities "ACoC" does not exist. It's "CoC coating/infusing", which has VARYING degrees/levels of skill.

#23
The explanation is spot on.

But I disagree that everyone who uses Ryou and is a CoC user can use ACoC. Oden, Luffy and Zoro literally needed to see someone else use it or learn it from somebody before they started using it themselves.
Yeah, but they had the building blocks. Just needed to put them together.

Kaido mentioned that Luffy's technique was "sloppy" at first, so it takes getting used to this as well.
 
#25
It's right in parts.

Luffy learned a kind of advanced haki that makes him create a kind of force field in his fists and that he hits a character without touching him.

Tamato didn't show this technique of creating a force field, he is only able to pass his will (CoC) to his club.

And then we have this final ''advCoC'' technique, which Luffy learned in the last few chapters, which is the technique of a haoshoku so powerful that the collision can split the skies. Only Kaido, Big Mom, WB, Roger and Shanks showed this.
 
#26
Firstly, CoC is linked to your overall strength
Secondly, AdCoC depends on your mastery over coating your attacks with haki!

Yamato is below Luffy and doesn't have adcoa so Luffy with adcoc gonna do more damage and can split the sky while Yamato & others can't coz they aren't as strong as Luffy.

For now we call this adcoc... until we get another CoC Powerup
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#29
Why all such threads come up only when zoro gets something lmao


OT - CoC and AdCoC are different. It's clearly evident now.


As far as degree is concerned then there is no degree because it can't be trained.(look below post)





One's will power has direct bearance on CoC. It's will power manifestation. Not only you need to grow in strength but also need to grow in resolve to make CoC stronger.


So, as Luffy and Zoro will grow they will simply have stronger ADCoC.

Its like having better control which exist in every aspect


But it's not necessary to have AdCoA to have AdCoC..we have examples of this.
 
#30
I agree to some degree, According to hyogoro, flowing haki/ryou have three levels or more….
First one is normally coating yourself or your swords with haki, basically hardening.
Second level is creating a barrier around yourself with flowing haki.
Third is expanding your haki to the extent that it is able to enter in your opponent internally.
Coc probably have same application.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#34
Why though?

You need atleast the first level of Barrier or Ryou for that right? Internal Destruction Haki isn't needed but Barrier/Ryou is needed since during ACoC, they just apply the same principle as Ryou, only substituting CoA with CoC.
What's common is the basic underlying concept of flowing of haki.


There is no specific levels involves that one needs to learn this first to move to second.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#35
What's common is the basic underlying concept of flowing of haki.


There is no specific levels involves that one needs to learn this first to move to second.
Yeah exactly.

But the point is if someone can use ACoC, which is essentially flowing CoC into their attacks, they can use the Barrier ACoA as well, since that involves flowing CoA. Internal destruction is a step above that though, which most ACoC users don't know.
 
#36
Chapter isn’t even out yet and you already got your excuses ready huh?
Some users are fucked in the head. Excuses about what??? This is just explaining how Haki works. There are degrees to "flowing" Haki just like there are degrees to "hardening" Haki.

The idea of CoC coating being a fan made term doesn’t really matter. It’s considered advanced since not many fighters can use it and only those top class combatants have it so the term advanced CoC is justifiable. Every kind of haki has levels in it it’s not something new that you had to point out tbh. As many OP fans know such a fact.
The point of the thread, is that "ACoC" is not a binary powerup, as 1 or 0. It's something that can improve and get stronger.

(1) By strengthening CoC itself

(2) By making it flow internally

The problem with just calling it ACoC, implies it's just 1 thing/a checkbox.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#38
Yeah exactly.

But the point is if someone can use ACoC, which is essentially flowing CoC into their attacks, they can use the Barrier ACoA as well, since that involves flowing CoA. Internal destruction is a step above that though, which most ACoC users don't know.
CoC can't be trained but CoA can be trained.


Same concept will apply on AdCoC and AdCoA.

However, to move to advanced.
one needs to learn flowing of haki. Since AdCoA can be trained then via this one can learn flowing of haki in better way by training unlike the case in CoC and AdCoC which can't be trained grows with one'resolve and strength.



So one can say that if you learn AdCoA then it would be easier to awaken AdCoC.


But nowhere it has been stated that this the only way to have AdCoC.

Nor there is any level involved here.



What is involved here is - that applications of haki has been advanced with better mastery and strength and will power which is fundamental in every aspect
 
#39
And why do you feel the need to make this thread a few hours before 1033 is out?
Because people were discussing it, and I wanted to clarify?

These Zoro fanboys are so paranoid.

In Spoiler Thread: Why are you hyping Zoro?

In this Thread: Why are you downplaying Zoro?

Like wtf.

CoC can't be trained but CoA can be trained.


Same concept will apply on AdCoC and AdCoA.

However, to move to advanced.
one needs to learn flowing of haki. Since AdCoA can be trained then via this one can learn flowing of haki in better way by training unlike the case in CoC and AdCoC which can't be trained grows with one'resolve and strength.



So one can say that if you learn AdCoA then it would be easier to awaken AdCoC.


But nowhere it has been stated that this the only way to have AdCoC.

Nor there is any level involved here.



What is involved here is - that applications of haki has been advanced with better mastery and strength and will power which is fundamental in every aspect
I think it is the only way. People have used BM/Kaido/Yamato as examples of non-Ryou users, but it's quite clear their weapon blasts have Haki in them. That is Ryou.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#40
CoC can't be trained but CoA can be trained.


Same concept will apply on AdCoC and AdCoA.

However, to move to advanced.
one needs to learn flowing of haki. Since AdCoA can be trained then via this one can learn flowing of haki in better way by training unlike the case in CoC and AdCoC which can't be trained grows with one'resolve and strength.



So one can say that if you learn AdCoA then it would be easier to awaken AdCoC.


But nowhere it has been stated that this the only way to have AdCoC.

Nor there is any level involved here.



What is involved here is - that applications of haki has been advanced with better mastery and strength and will power which is fundamental in every aspect
Yeah you are right.

What can be trained is either the flowing mechanism or just your CoC/spirit by getting stronger overall. AdvCoC cannot be trained.
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I think it is the only way. People have used BM/Kaido/Yamato as examples of non-Ryou users, but it's quite clear their weapon blasts have Haki in them. That is Ryou.
It's pretty clear that BM/Kaido/Yamato use Ryou at the very least. Kaido and Yamato's Vajra/Narikabura Arrows are probably Ryou based.
 
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