Powers & Abilities "ACoC" does not exist. It's "CoC coating/infusing", which has VARYING degrees/levels of skill.

#41
Its the same for all.
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No the reason why Doflamingo and Katakuri can't use it is because they aren't strong enough even if the premise of CoC coating having levels is true

Doflamingo will never be Yonko tier
The reason they did not use it is that.....Luffy could not and should not use it at that time.
 
#42
The point of the thread, is that "ACoC" is not a binary powerup, as 1 or 0. It's something that can improve and get stronger.

(1) By strengthening CoC itself

(2) By making it flow internally

The problem with just calling it ACoC, implies it's just 1 thing/a checkbox.
The thing is imo, even if it’s called ACoC doesn’t mean everyone who has it is on equal level of use/mastery which should be obvious so the term advanced such and such shouldn’t really imply a checkbox cuz in every haki power up vary in the level of mastery/haki strength despite being on the same stage.
 
#44
The thing is imo, even if it’s called ACoC doesn’t mean everyone who has it is on equal level of use/mastery which should be obvious so the term advanced such and such shouldn’t really imply a checkbox cuz in every haki power up vary in the level of mastery/haki strength despite being on the same stage.
Yes, there is a problem. If Yamato has "advanced" CoC, then what does Luffy have? What does Shanks have?

It's much better to state Yamato has basic CoC coating, while Luffy/Shanks have advanced CoC coating. That's the terminology Kaido and Luffy used. ACoC implies, once you've gotten it, there is no room for growth.
 
#46
1) KOing fodder
2) basic coating(Yamato/oden)
3) CoC barrier( 1010 Luffy)
4) sky splitting
5) continuous CoC(shanks on the moby dick)
Those are different applications. The (1)/basic CoC application has point-contact CoC attacks. This is for CoA hardening users. This is not just a random CoC blasts, but it's concentrated at the point of attack. It must make contact for it to work. It only works at skin level.







What Hyogoro was talking about was outwardly coating yourself with Haki. This is non-touching. (1) is not "coating" yourself in CoC.







That's the Haki that "enters" your opponent if it's strong enough. Remember, hardening is not coating. It's just strengthening your skin like Tekkai.

This "advanced" CoC is just the ability to have an AURA of Haki around you.

 
#47
Yeah, it ain't Advanced CoC. It's just coating CoC onto the already CoA attacks to strengthen them. Pretty similar to basic CoA but just more powerful. We might also see some form of CoO based CoC too honestly. And then finally, Adv CoC by itself. I believe that we'll probably get a distinct Adv CoC in the future, one which would be very different from CoA and CoO. Because right now, it's just CoA pro max.
 
#48
Yeah, it ain't Advanced CoC. It's just coating CoC onto the already CoA attacks to strengthen them. Pretty similar to basic CoA but just more powerful. We might also see some form of CoO based CoC too honestly. And then finally, Adv CoC by itself. I believe that we'll probably get a distinct Adv CoC in the future, one which would be very different from CoA and CoO. Because right now, it's just CoA pro max.
Yeah I believe that too. CoC has many different applications. Coating is just one of them. Knocking out fodder is another.
 
#51
Oda would make a new CoC ability to hype Shanks
Coz right now If every top pirate has adcoc like this then Shanks hype doesn't make sense

Mihawk and Dragon will have the strongest Koka mastery.
Shanks has another CoC ability, superior to what we've seen in the arc. The only other to use it may be Roger.

We've seen top CoO mastery but FS was to hype Kata
We've seen CoA masters but adcoa was to hype Ray
Shanks will have a CoC ability to bend space and even time.
 
#52
Oda would make a new CoC ability to hype Shanks
Coz right now If every top pirate has adcoc like this then Shanks hype doesn't make sense

Mihawk and Dragon will have the strongest Koka mastery.
Shanks has another CoC ability, superior to what we've seen in the arc. The only other to use it may be Roger.

We've seen top CoO mastery but FS was to hype Kata
We've seen CoA masters but adcoa was to hype Ray
Shanks will have a CoC ability to bend space and even time.
Yeah, but Idk about the space/time part. It will definitely be something new though. He needs to overcome BM/Kaido durability with something else. It can't just be the same techniques as them, but with regular human body.
 
#53
Yeah, but Idk about the space/time part. It will definitely be something new though. He needs to overcome BM/Kaido durability with something else. It can't just be the same techniques as them, but with regular human body.
Yeah
This is why I felt like Shanks hype died if adcoc is used by every great pirate

Shanks needs newer ability on top of CoC coating.
He might also have adcoa and FS. So oda will make him a broken haki master
 
#54
Oda himself doesn't know or distinguish between CoA and CoC lightening let alone different types of CoC. Hence this confusing shit. I have never seen Luffy using internal destruction or whatever since 955 or even Luffy removing yamato hand cuffs.
 
#56
The problem I see is, Hakiflow/Ryuo is a rather common ability. A lot of Wano Samurai have it, the Kuja have it too. Yet only a handful of the conquerors, according to Kaido, can coat themselves with Haoshoku. That means only a handful of Conquerors are able to use Ryuo even though a lot of fodder can do it. When in fact Conquerors should have way more potential in general to unlock Ryuo.

So I don't think you need Ryuo to coat yourself in Haoshoku.
 
#57
Yes, there is a problem. If Yamato has "advanced" CoC, then what does Luffy have? What does Shanks have?

It's much better to state Yamato has basic CoC coating, while Luffy/Shanks have advanced CoC coating. That's the terminology Kaido and Luffy used. ACoC implies, once you've gotten it, there is no room for growth.
What level of bullshit is this?

Coc grows with the users strength. As long as person doesnt cap in strength there is always more room for their coc to grow.
 
#58
When it's so bad that you need to start coping hard as fuck in advance.

Anyway, you coat your attacks in CoC, and you can implement them the same way you implement your ACoA. If Luffy uses it, he uses it for internal destruction.

If someone like Zoro would use it, he can use it just like he uses his ACoA, too. Same for Scabbards.

For instance, you do it with barrier haki which prevents touching. Or you can do it in the manner Scabbards used their Ryou to cut base Kaido.

But the bottom line is the power your CoC gives depends on your CoC, not your flow or whatever. Flow is used to simply direct your attacks. Luffy hits as hard with normal CoA as he does with Internal Destruction, it's just that ID targets insides directly, bypassing skin durability. Though it doesn't really matter for sword users.
 
#59
The problem I see is, Hakiflow/Ryuo is a rather common ability. A lot of Wano Samurai have it, the Kuja have it too. Yet only a handful of the conquerors, according to Kaido, can coat themselves with Haoshoku. That means only a handful of Conquerors are able to use Ryuo even though a lot of fodder can do it. When in fact Conquerors should have way more potential in general to unlock Ryuo.

So I don't think you need Ryuo to coat yourself in Haoshoku.
The idea is that ryou teaches the haki flow, that way you can release CoC same way instead if straining it.

Yamato can do that for example but she aint doing earth/sky splitting clashes, or haki
clashes without touching like Luffy/Kaido amd Roger/WB did.

There are levels to these.
 
#60
The idea is that ryou teaches the haki flow, that way you can release CoC same way instead if straining it.

Yamato can do that for example but she aint doing earth/sky splitting clashes, or haki
clashes without touching like Luffy/Kaido amd Roger/WB did.

There are levels to these.
So if they don't split skies with every blow- when they get serious, then it means their haki and CoC strength is worse than Base Luffy's?

I don't think it'll happen anymore after this, because it's a portrayal of characters, not a feat that comes with every blow of really good ACoC.
 
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