Powers & Abilities ACoC strength level

[MonsterKaido]

But that's the issue. People co-opted the ACoA terminology, which IS correct, for ACoC, which isn't. There is nothing "advanced" about CoC coating. It's just basic Haki flow + CoC.

ACoC is only rare, because the amount of people who have control over their CoC is tiny. Even guys like Zoro and Kid have not been shown to have good control over it, and they are >>> YCs.



Again, my point is they are just different applications of CoC. It's not one above the other.

For example, this is an advanced version of Haki blasts/crowd control

"ACoC" is not the evolution of "basic Haki". That is ^. "ACoC" or coating, is just a different application of CoC.

Lol Doffy fan creating his own head canon so that the weakling may get adv coc in future.

Adv coc =\= Basic COC + Adv coa

Coating COC has never said to be simply using basic coc with adv coa.

 

[Finalbeta]

After Gaban suggested Luffy to improve his CoC, Oda made it clear that it's by far what counts the most in combat, above devil fruits as well.

 

[sanjikun]

Lol Doffy fan creating his own head canon so that the weakling may get adv coc in future.

Adv coc =\= Basic COC + Adv coa

Coating COC has never said to be simply using basic coc with adv coa.

Pretty sure "Adv CoC" is the headcanon, because it was never written anywhere in manga.

Adv coc =\= Basic COC + Adv coa

Coating COC has never said to be simply using basic coc with adv coa.

I literally explained to you how "Basic CoC" is a different application of CoC altogether. Haki blasts are not a "basic form" of infusion. They are something else entirely.

This is the advanced form of Haki blasts, not CoC infusion.

This would classify as "Adv CoC" not whatever the fuck Zoro and Yamato are doing and potentially Coby and Sanji. That's just infusion.

CoC can manifest in countless different ways. They are not the advanced version of one another, just something entirely different.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Pretty sure "Adv CoC" is the headcanon, because it was never written anywhere in manga.



I literally explained to you how "Basic CoC" is a different application of CoC altogether. Haki blasts are not a "basic form" of infusion. They are something else entirely.

This is the advanced form of Haki blasts, not CoC infusion.

This would classify as "Adv CoC" not whatever the fuck Zoro and Yamato are doing and potentially Coby and Sanji. That's just infusion.

CoC can manifest in countless different ways. They are not the advanced version of one another, just something entirely different.

What shanks and joyboy did , no other character has done it yet but most likely it is pinnacle of basic coc.

Coating adv coc in attacks is completey different application of coc which increases AP and stats in general. Fandom calls it ACOC in short form. It's irrelevant whether this is an accurate naming or not.

It's much easier to write ACOC than coating coc every time.

 

[CbShadow]

Pretty sure "Adv CoC" is the headcanon, because it was never written anywhere in manga.



I literally explained to you how "Basic CoC" is a different application of CoC altogether. Haki blasts are not a "basic form" of infusion. They are something else entirely.

This is the advanced form of Haki blasts, not CoC infusion.

This would classify as "Adv CoC" not whatever the fuck Zoro and Yamato are doing and potentially Coby and Sanji. That's just infusion.

CoC can manifest in countless different ways. They are not the advanced version of one another, just something entirely different.

I agree all advanced haki are just different applications of haki.

How can CoC blast be more advanced than CoC infusion when CoC infusion requires more steps?

CoC blast is just releasing CoC from the body and attacking a person physical body with it. While CoC infusion is releasing CoC, infusing an object with it, and then attack in a person physical body with it. CoC infusion is more advanced. With that said, I do think you're onto something about Shanks blast CoC being a more advanced way to use haki, just for the wrong reasons. It wasn't the haki that makes it more advance.

I believe there are multiple levels to using CoC.

The first CoC level is the most basic way to use CoC. This was how Luffy used CoC during FMI. It works by attacking a person's will with CoC that causes weak will people to lose consciousness. It doesn't cause any physical damage to the body.

The second CoC level we learned about it during Wano war. It's how Kaido uses CoC. It works by attacking a person's body with CoC that causes physical damage to their body. The two common ways we see this CoC level used is by a haki blast or infusion.

The third level is rare and we learned about it after the war, on Egghead Island and Elbaph. It works by attacking a person's power/ability to stop them from either using that power/ability or affect the use of that power/ability. That was the power Shanks used knock GB out of his DF tree mode, Joyboy used to send the 4 Gorosei back to the holy land by canceling their dark magic seal, and Gaban used to stop the holy knight regeneration ability by affecting the dark magic seal.

Recap:
- CoC level 1 affects the will.
- CoC level 2 affects the body.
- CoC level 3 affects power/ability.

I expect Luffy, Zoro and Loki to learn to use CoC level 3 during Elbaph.

 

[SkySanji]

That is just translation issue. They said Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.

No it isn't lmao.

 

[CbShadow]

No it isn't lmao.

WSS > swordsman who is not the WSS

 

[SkySanji]

WSS > swordsman who is not the WSS

WSS > Shanks in sword skill, which is what the manga says.

 

[nik87]

What shanks and joyboy did , no other character has done it yet but most likely it is pinnacle of basic coc.

Coating adv coc in attacks is completey different application of coc which increases AP and stats in general. Fandom calls it ACOC in short form. It's irrelevant whether this is an accurate naming or not.

It's much easier to write ACOC than coating coc every time.

Yeah, it seems DF negation is just an advanced version of the regular CoC blast that knocks out fodder.
However, that cannot be the pinnacle of CoC as it is useless against certain characters like Shanks, Mihawk, Zoro, Sanji, Garp and many more who do not have DF-given abilities to be negated.

Rayleigh introduced it as >the power to overwhelm.
If CoC could be used in a way that it overwhelms even top tier's mind, even for a split second, that would truly be useful in combat.
For now, the CoC infusion is the only thing worth calling aCoC as it applies to everything.

 

[sanjikun]

What shanks and joyboy did , no other character has done it yet but most likely it is pinnacle of basic coc.

Coating adv coc in attacks is completey different application of coc which increases AP and stats in general. Fandom calls it ACOC in short form. It's irrelevant whether this is an accurate naming or not.

It's much easier to write ACOC than coating coc every time.

The issue is that fans actually start believing their made up terminology.

Just using basic CoC coating in and of itself is not "advanced". It's rare, yes, but not advanced. There's a long way to actually mastering CoC coating.

 

[MonsterKaido]

The issue is that fans actually start believing their made up terminology.

Just using basic CoC coating in and of itself is not "advanced". It's rare, yes, but not advanced.

I mean it is stronger variant than basic coc. Hence people call it ACOC.

Every one knows what ACOC refers to anyways.

 

[Cinera]

The fact that Zoro can do CoC coating and he's never done fodder control, nor even knows that he has it, shows "ACoC" is not really a thing.

Zoro knocked out fodder during the King fight.

 

[CbShadow]

WSS > Shanks in sword skill, which is what the manga says.

That is not what the manga says. The title is the world's strongest swordsman. Not the person with the greatest sword skill.

The manga said the reason the scabbards failed to reopen Kaido old scar was because they lacked his sword skill. The reason their sword skill was not as great as Oden's was because they lacked his powerful CoC haki.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

What shanks and joyboy did , no other character has done it yet but most likely it is pinnacle of basic coc.

I'm not impressed by Shanks feat though. What exactly you are hyping up? The distance of his CoC or the fact Greenbull shaked his legs about it like a little girl?

What JoyBoy did it is really impressive. Stored CoC haki, that powerful after 800 years? That's really unique.

But the thing with those CoC feats is that they meant to be replicable by people who fully understood haki. We just don't have enough similar situations where others could have used those same applications to compare.

It is different when talking about black blades. We can clearly see if anyone else were able or not to make it.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I'm not impressed by Shanks feat though. What exactly you are hyping up? The distance of his CoC or the fact Greenbull shaked his legs about it like a little girl?

What JoyBoy did it is really impressive. Stored CoC haki, that powerful after 800 years? That's really unique.

But the thing with those CoC feats is that they meant to be replicable by people who fully understood haki. We just don't have enough similar situations where others could have used those same applications to compare.

It is different when talking about black blades. We can clearly see if anyone else were able or not to make it.

You are forgetting the fact that shanks's haki was compared to Joyboy himself? Even after seeing Joyboy's haki , dorry and broggy still questioned whether joyboy's haki exceeded shanks's haki or not.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

You are forgetting the fact that shanks's haki was compared to Joyboy himself? Even after seeing Joyboy's haki , dorry and broggy still questioned whether joyboy's haki exceeded shanks's haki or not.

We also saw Luffy not getting impressed at all by Shanks haki. And his opinion has much more value giving he defeat Kaido who was a master of haki as well. So I don't give a fuck about Dorry and Broggy opinion's about haki giving how fodders they are compared to Luffy.

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The issue is that fans actually start believing their made up terminology.

Just using basic CoC coating in and of itself is not "advanced". It's rare, yes, but not advanced. There's a long way to actually mastering CoC coating.

I belive ACoA is even bigger of a problem.

We have armament that is coating in black. We have barrier that can be also applied into weapons. And we have infusion that applies internal damage. I consider the latter to be ACoA but I see a lot of people calling barrier as ACoA and even saying that Oden and Scabbards had it. We never saw infusion applied to weapons.

 

[MonsterKaido]

We also saw Luffy not getting impressed at all by Shanks haki. And his opinion has much more value giving he defeat Kaido who was a master of haki as well. So I don't give a fuck about Dorry and Broggy opinion's about haki giving how fodders they are compared to Luffy.

I think you are not reading the manga because luffy was surprised and impressed by shanks's haki.

And no oda wrote the comparison to hype both joyboy and shanks at once. It is basic comprehension.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I think you are not reading the manga because luffy was surprised and impressed by shanks's haki.

And no oda wrote the comparison to hype both joyboy and shanks at once. It is basic comprehension.

OMG SOOOOOO SUPRISED AND SOOOOOOOO IMPRESSED

Meanwhile he freaking out by someone without CoC

 

[sanjikun]

I mean it is stronger variant than basic coc. Hence people call it ACOC.

Every one knows what ACOC refers to anyways.

It's "stronger" cause you're coupling it to an attack. Shanks showed with enough strength/mastery you can disable even Top Tiers without infusion.

They're just two completely different uses of CoC. Saying infusion is the "advanced" version of blasts is just factually wrong.

 

[MonsterKaido]

It's "stronger" cause you're coupling it to an attack. Shanks showed with enough strength/mastery you can disable even Top Tiers without infusion.

They're just two completely different uses of CoC. Saying infusion is the "advanced" version of blasts is just factually wrong.

I mean shanks needed COC coating to take down Kidd. If it was as simple as that , shanks would have simply used the wifi haki against kidd and that will be all.

Joyboy also plays in different league. His coc coating attacks will be on a different level also.