Maybe you should elaborate next time because your comment was too vague for this lol.
When you’re an admiral it does. These people touch you and your body parts get removed. Not like Whitebeard who can be tanked with no medium term injuries like Akainu did, one hit from an admiral will mess you up for life.
I get that the different types of DF exist, but we don't have a sampling size to determine for canon grounds. Just what ifs.
I can't agree that just because he's magma he just automatically wins... For all we know because WB was weakened so was his DF's Attack power So that's again an unfair basis.
You've assuming he would fair better because he's a logia. Imagine Haki Bullet's and etc.. For all we know they were being used. Again going on Assumptions... You're basing it on what if. I can't not agree with it until we get more about it. To many variables and what if's.
I can't agree that just because he's magma he just automatically wins... For all we know because WB was weakened so was his DF's Attack power So that's again an unfair basis.
1. We are discussing OP where Akainu is a magma Logia, are we not? Don’t see the point in discussing hypotheticals where characters have eaten alternate DFs lol. Magma is just straight up >> the Gura Gura in terms of offensive power, sorry to admit it. Ronse bounced back up the Gura Gura no Mi but Jozu was crippled for life from half asleep Aokiji.
2. Whitebeard probably did have his AP weakened by extreme sickness and his wounds. This was 90% of the reason Akainu (as well as every other Admiral) was completely bodying him 1v1:
1. We are discussing OP where Akainu is a magma Logia, are we not? Don’t see the point in discussing hypotheticals where characters have eaten alternate DFs lol. Magma is just straight up >> the Gura Gura in terms of offensive power, sorry to admit it. Ronse bounced back up the Gura Gura no Mi but Jozu was crippled for life from half asleep Aokiji.
2. Whitebeard probably did have his AP weakened by extreme sickness and his wounds. This was 90% of the reason Akainu (as well as every other Admiral) was completely bodying him 1v1:
Yes I get the Hypothetical talk. But even still I can't agree with it because it's just what ifs. Magma does seem to have Greater AP than Gura, at least face to face, But like I was saying, Akainu at 100 while WB at 100 might just conclude a different story.
And excuse me for saying this, You're picture feels a little bias, least the part I read... The WB sweating, Just seem ingenuine.
I believe that: the weakest of the original Yonkou (Oldbeard, Kaido, Big Mom and Shank) is weaker than the strongest of the original admirals (Sakazuki, Kuzan and Borsalino).
To be fair, I genuinely changed my mind on this topic. I debated vehemently for the opposite position for a while and I defended two "Yonkou level characters" (Mihawk and Shanks) beating the logia trio some years back. My best assessment of the evidence led me to the position I stated above in bold.
Below are those I consider "top tier" among the Arena regulars. My assessment is admittedly biased, but I tried to be fair.
Yeah, no joke. That was exactly why he got curb stomped in every head on engagement with a Top Tier. His entire character arc during Marineford revolved around how weak he had become.
That still does not change the fact that Marineford Whitebeard was the weakest Top Tier present, if he even was still a top tier (his massively overpowered fruit is a good power level crutch).
That is still better portrayal than getting trolled by the weakest Straw Hats and Queen though. :queenhear:
This topic comes up a lot, so I thought I'd post mine here, so I can easily link it if need be.
This is probably my definitive tier list of arena regulars. I only included my top tier posters because:
I'm a lot more confident in these placements than of those lower in my tier list.
It's easier to more accurately assess those I consider top tier than those I consider "high tier", "mid tier", etc.
Including lower tiers is likely to generate a lot of salt.
Folks ranked in mid tier or low tier may feel understandably offended.
I'm curious what other people's top tier look like.
Sharing mine may generate discussion and incentivise them to share theirs.
That said, my list:
Tier List
High Top Tier
Light D Lamperouge
Veku
Sentinel
Silverfire-
ZenZu-
Mid Top Tier
Haoshoku
Bogard+
Gol D. Roger
Cinera+
Zenos7-
KiriNigiri
Comrade
HeroesNZ
Admiral Lee Hung
Xione
Hero Garp
TheAncientCenturion
Nidai_Kitetsu-
Low Top Tier
Rivaille+
BossYimz
Dragomir
worst pirate+
Usopp Haoshoku Haki
Van
RayanOO
playa4321
ShishioIsBack
Robin swan
+: Might be rated in the next higher tier
-: Might be rated in the next lower tier
I didn't rate some folks because they haven't been active/I haven't read that many of their posts. Some names I'm cognisant of leaving out: Afro King, Buggy D ClowN.
I should probably also get penalised here, but I try to temper the takes I defend.
My more idiosyncratic takes regarding Zoro that could credibly be considered "wank":
Pica is a high mid tier overall:
Without his devil fruit, he is one of the stronger mid mid tiers (he would still beat Diamante and Cavendish though in difficult drawn out fights).
In Dressrosa specifically, he may be a low high tier level threat.
DR Santoryu Zoro was a peak low high tier or bottom mid high tier character.
I think he could have beaten Cracker back then.
I think he could have beaten G2/G3 Luffy with medium difficulty.
I consulted the top 50 lists of some folks when evaluating them, and I've otherwise read all the posts in Veku's thread.
I want to maintain some charity towards people with different takes from me. Folks who believe Zoro is substantially weaker than I do should get some benefit of the doubt. I don't want to be too dogmatic about power level opinions, especially when I may be proven wrong.
Accuracy
I will revise individuals ratings based on their track records.
People who endorsed takes that aged well should be revised upwards.
Folks who endorsed takes that aged poorly should be revised downwards.
How good are the arguments they raise.
The presentation of the arguments themselves.
How often arguments are supported with panels/other pieces of evidence.
The rhetoric used in arguments.
Persuasiveness of the arguments brought forth.
Civility
I penalise folks for incivility and otherwise antisocial behaviour.
People willing to change their minds get bonus points.
@Sentinel gets a bonus here, he revised his estimate of Doffy upwards (YC 2) despite being one of the strongest advocates for Doffy being weaker.
Dishonesty/Bad Faith
Folks who are intellectually dishonest or otherwise engage in bad faith get penalised.
@Dragomir you mentioned wanting to see my list.
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I'm not tagging folks cause I'm not sure how many people share my passion for ranking members and wouldn't want to annoy them. But do please tag folks you think would be interested.
As am I. When we take into account Whitebeard’s horrid health, his age, and his character arc revolving around his era being long gone, it is only logical to assume he can’t push any admiral very hard in a 1v1, is it not?
As am I. When we take into account Whitebeard’s horrid health, his age, and his character arc revolving around his era being long gone, it is only logical to assume he can’t push any admiral very hard in a 1v1, is it not?
Do we use him as an argument for how strong Sakazuki is? Lol.
Usually Akainu’s feats against Whitebeard are typically brought up in Akainu vs Whitebeard. No one in the Admiral Fandom (as far as I know) ever denied that Whitebeard was weak for a Top Tier.
Mmmm Kay, what feelings do you have that dictate Whitebeard should be above the admirals? The entire emotional core of Whitebeard’s actions at Marineford revolved around how he was long past his prime, up against an overwhelming foe.
And as far as “how things should be” what dictates Whitebeard should have been above the admirals at Marineford? When you yourself said he was sick, injured, dying, etc..while the admirals were all in their primes?
Mmmm Kay, what feelings do you have that dictate Whitebeard should be above the admirals? The entire emotional core of Whitebeard’s actions at Marineford revolved around how he was long past his prime, up against an overwhelming foe.
And as far as “how things should be” what dictates Whitebeard should have been above the admirals at Marineford? When you yourself said he was sick, injured, dying, etc..while the admirals were all in their primes?
That's why I said yes and no... I put WB above the other Yonko's.
I'm not saying Even while Sick and all he's still firmly above them but he gave them a run for their money a span of a few hours.
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