Powers & Abilities Admirals confirmed stronger than Mihawk? Need a translation on this.

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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#85
To put it better @comrade I think haki can be most likely considered integral part of swordsmanship and not a style per se or something not to factor. Hence strongest swordsman meant as strongest individual who also bears swordsmanship, and not just because of that, an author in general doesn't usually label someone that way differently. So actually in a sense we can consider skill = swordsmanship but as long as this is factored too.

The vivrecard of Vista mentions he is of top class due being such a skilled swordsman, and that he can compete with Mihawk, but in real life many football pros that stand much weaker also can afford to compete with the best ones as long as they are pros, it doesn't sound so compelling.

What I posted suggests that 1 armed Mihawk's swordsmanship would be of the hightest class. On a second thought yes it is haphazard to infer that he would be stronger than Shanks with 1 arm because of that following my reasoning in this post, but at least the point about the WSS title would still stand.
 
#90
It's always funny when people tell me that the Admirals are nothing special because they don't have any title when they always had at least two, lol.
At the end of the day, they are only the strongest fighters of an organization that has ruled the majority of the world for the last 800 years without ever being taked down. And that will be taken down in the greatest war the One Piece world has ever seen.

Pretty weak guys :kata:
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Mihawk is living rent free for every yonko and Admiral fan lmao.

Zoro's about to off screen Kizaru before his showdown with Mihawk at EoS. Should tell you all you need to know really.
I think Mihawk is stronger than Kizaru but do you think that the Kizaru/Zoro confrontation will come earlier than Zoro vs Mihawk? I don't really know.
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Mihawk is the most disrespected title holder:goyea:
Mihawk is a monster :beckmoji:
 
#91
•Wants a balance of the powers to be mantained. They were worried about it after WINNING against the WB pirates.
They want to mantain this balance always yet it is a fact every time 2 yonko meet the navy starts to shit bricks. See Shanks meeting WB after Marineford or when there was the fear of the Rock returing (Kaido and BM joining hands).

•Shanks has some kind of relationship with the WG and this might have had its influences. We also have Sengoku's sentence "only because it's you, Red Hair".
The translation I found says "it is fine for me red hair, I will take responsibility for this"
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-580.html
anyway this can be seen the other way around. Shanks is a sort of guardian who tries to matain some sort of balance as well. He didn't attack the navy despite in a state of weakness because he probably recognized that the WG has some bright side as well, for sure better than have Kaido/BM/BB profit from him and the WG fighting.

•The marines had already accomplished their objective and the one in charge (Sengoku) definitely cared about the cost of lifes.
This is true but it is true as well the marines followed Shanks threat without many questions. They still wanted to catch Luffy, who indeed demonstrated to be a pirate king seed like his brother, and destroy what was left of the WB pirates as well to show WB and Ace corpses but that price to pay was too high.

•Let's say they fight. What if in the midst of this whole chaos (Red Hair Pirates, BB pirates, Marines), they lose an admiral, one of the ultimate military weapons through which the WG enforces his control over the majority of the rest of the world? What if another (or plus) force suddenly shows up to take advantage of the situation against the government? What if both things happen? What if the WG suddenly has to fight three forces against them? Does the WG wants a scenario like that?
That is why they obliged to Shanks threat. They were already damaged when suddenly a fresh yonko and crew appeared before them. If instead of Shanks it was Kaido with the beast pirates or BM with her sons then I don't know how it would have ended but the navy would have been destroyed or at least on the brink of it (even because they had prepared for WB a plot to weaken him through Sguardo and the best battlefield/fortress they could use while the new yonko was a totally unexpected guest and even the battlefield was a mess by that point). Anyway Shanks too didn't want to fight cause it would have been a bloodbath either way.

The indication I have always reached from the manga is that Marines HQ + Warlords = 4 yonko crews (the balance of powers) and that the MF forces are WAY above a single Yonko crew. I think that @Van made a very good thread about this as well.
That is impossible. If the navy is as strong than 4 yonkos combined then they could easy eat them one by one since they are enemies amongst themsleves as well. The truth is that this balance can work because the yonkos hate each other and indeed like I said above each time 2 yonkos meet the navy shits bricks cause they know that may spell doom for them.

Let's make a scenario. The 4 yonkos of 2 years ago (so WB, Shanks, BM and Kaido) decide to erase the WG from the world so they attack the navy toegether with WB. Is there anything the navy can do? Even if we suppose all the warlords are ready to die for the navy (and they will laugh at this idea) there will be nothing left of Marineford after a swift storm. They afterall had to gather their best, prepare the battlefield and plot behind WB in order to accomplish a difficult victory.

But well, to each their own.
And we can agree to disagree.
 
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Shelby

#97
If 1 Admiral, the SSG, a few Vice Admirals, and a lot of marine fodder are sent after Mihawk and somehow still fail to capture him, then this debate is over.

Worst decision Oda ever made was not showing us if an Admiral was sent after Mihawk or not.
 
#98
If 1 Admiral, the SSG, a few Vice Admirals, and a lot of marine fodder are sent after Mihawk and somehow still fail to capture him, then this debate is over.

Worst decision Oda ever made was not showing us if an Admiral was sent after Mihawk or not.
Imo, there are basically zero chances that an admiral was sent. If the admiral has success and Mihawk gets captured, it's Mihawk dehype and if it's the other way around, it's this admiral dehype. Or at least this is how it could be viewed.

I don't really think that Oda would go with this choice with those characters (in this context).
 
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Shelby

#99
Imo, there are basically zero chances that an admiral was sent. If the admiral has success and Mihawk gets captured, it's Mihawk dehype and if it's the other way around, it's this admiral dehype. Or at least this is how it could be viewed.

I don't really think that Oda would go with this choice with those characters (in this context).
You think Akainu sent vice admirals after Mihawk? That doesn’t make sense, you’re indirectly calling Akainu stupid. Akainu also told Sengoku that he can’t afford to send any forces to Wano because all his forces are occupied at the moment. How would this make sense if all the Admirals were chilling ar head quarters doing nothing? No that doesn’t add up. It’s clear that an Admiral will be sent after Mihawk and Greenbull. Vice admirals for everyone else.

And there’s a way for Oda to make sure neither an Admiral or Mihawk gets dehyped, just simply have a 3rd party interfere in the fight. We know Blackbeard is going out to recruit some Shichibukai and I wouldn’t be surprised if other people try to recruit some Shicibukai as well. There are many ways that Oda can write Mihawk vs Admiral without dehyping either party, you just need to be a little creative.
 
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