Versus Battle Admirals VS Akatsuki
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This isn't even true, countless verses have means of harming intangible characters like logia, Naruto characters just don't for the most part.
That was 100% Kurama fused Susanoo.
Not all lava is equal, regular lava isn't vaporizing steel from feet away or instantly erasing a person's body like Akainu did, Mei's lava is literal garbage with no feats.
Akainu's lava melts through Susanoo effortlessly, Aokiji can freeze it no problem, Ryokugyu probably can't do much but that's only because he lacks feats, Fujitora sends it out of the stratosphere with Madara inside of it casually, lifting the rubble of Dressrosa >>>>>>>>>>>> lifting a Susanoo.
Yata Mirror blocks by changing to the chakra nature of what is attacking it, so it would likely only work against chakra, either way, it only defends a small part of the Susanoo and Itachi has garbage stamina, only able to maintain Susanoo for a few moments.
This attack power:
with a single swing (notice how the shockwave keeps travelling through the landscape after cutting the mountains), is quite crazy. It would also prove quite difficult for the admirals to crack his defense.
Not all lava is equal, regular lava isn't vaporizing steel from feet away or instantly erasing a person's body like Akainu did, Mei's lava is literal garbage with no feats.
Akainu's lava melts through Susanoo effortlessly, Aokiji can freeze it no problem, Ryokugyu probably can't do much but that's only because he lacks feats, Fujitora sends it out of the stratosphere with Madara inside of it casually, lifting the rubble of Dressrosa >>>>>>>>>>>> lifting a Susanoo.
Yata Mirror blocks by changing to the chakra nature of what is attacking it, so it would likely only work against chakra, either way, it only defends a small part of the Susanoo and Itachi has garbage stamina, only able to maintain Susanoo for a few moments.
Teleportation is not a speed feat or is Law's teleportation a speed feat?
The funny thing is, the only teleportation move - which is actually speed-related - is the object teleportation which teleports objects at LS. Both Tsunade and Ay were injured when they used this teleportation, so it's literally impossible that a far less durable character like Minato uses teleportation which moves him at LS because it'd rip his body apart.
Yet you claim Minato is LS...
So what is it now? Is fictional LS != irl LS or do we put LS on equal terms whenever we compare fictional characters?
Cool, so that either means many OP characters have no issue with LS or they are even FTL, pick your poison.
So Marco >>>> Snake Man in speed since Kizaru easily blocked all attacks and speed blitzed Snake Man with a single attack?
Non canon.
Again, you're gifting OP top tier feats to Naruto characters when both are completely different verses. Are you okay, dude?
Superman kept up with Flash, so it proves Hidan would hold his own against Flash as well? That's your stupid reasoning in a nutshell lol.
The funny thing is, the only teleportation move - which is actually speed-related - is the object teleportation which teleports objects at LS. Both Tsunade and Ay were injured when they used this teleportation, so it's literally impossible that a far less durable character like Minato uses teleportation which moves him at LS because it'd rip his body apart.
Yet you claim Minato is LS...
So what is it now? Is fictional LS != irl LS or do we put LS on equal terms whenever we compare fictional characters?
Cool, so that either means many OP characters have no issue with LS or they are even FTL, pick your poison.
So Marco >>>> Snake Man in speed since Kizaru easily blocked all attacks and speed blitzed Snake Man with a single attack?
Non canon.
Again, you're gifting OP top tier feats to Naruto characters when both are completely different verses. Are you okay, dude?
Superman kept up with Flash, so it proves Hidan would hold his own against Flash as well? That's your stupid reasoning in a nutshell lol.
I mean there’s too much hax for Naruto side. 3 rinnegan users, don’t forget that Itachi and Nagato when healthy have stats that could keep up with KCM1 mode Naruto at the minimum. They aren’t scrubs… also, Itachi’s genjutsu alone would probably be a big problem. There’s also one shot moves like his seal, and soul steal from Pain and Obito or some shit.
Like what verses can physically harm a logia?
Partially melting Susanoo's ribcage already is a good feat, as it is way more durable than a fodder sword. Akainu melted a fodder human by engulfing him. Mei's Lava probably would've done the same. That being said, obviously, Akainu's magma >> Mei. But so is the perfect Susanoo magnitudes above MS Sasuke's initial stages of Susanoo.
Lifting rubble across a large area is useless as well.
Kurama had nothing to do with it, it was Susanoo swinging its arm. The fusion of Kurama and Susanoo had other benefits (e.g. controlling an armored Kurama, spamming Bijudama Shuriken that couldn't be caught by Hashirama, etc.). Against the 5 Kage Madara displayed the same feats; one swing of Susanoo's blade busted the meteor, traveled through the landscape, cut two mountains and kept traveling. His is more AP than any Admiral has shown. The admirals can also alter landscapes, but busting through a mountain range instantly? That's more than an Admiral has shown.
Partially melting Susanoo's ribcage already is a good feat, as it is way more durable than a fodder sword. Akainu melted a fodder human by engulfing him. Mei's Lava probably would've done the same. That being said, obviously, Akainu's magma >> Mei. But so is the perfect Susanoo magnitudes above MS Sasuke's initial stages of Susanoo.
Lifting rubble across a large area is useless as well.
Kurama had nothing to do with it, it was Susanoo swinging its arm. The fusion of Kurama and Susanoo had other benefits (e.g. controlling an armored Kurama, spamming Bijudama Shuriken that couldn't be caught by Hashirama, etc.). Against the 5 Kage Madara displayed the same feats; one swing of Susanoo's blade busted the meteor, traveled through the landscape, cut two mountains and kept traveling. His is more AP than any Admiral has shown. The admirals can also alter landscapes, but busting through a mountain range instantly? That's more than an Admiral has shown.
Verses where characters can interact with intangible things, there are literally millions of them.
Vaporizing a sword from a distance without direct contact is magnitudes superior than partially melting a ribcage Susanoo that has zero heat feats, and that was just from Akainu existing lol.
Lifting a country worth of rubble >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifting a hollow Susanoo that even if it was solid, would still be lighter than Pica's golem alone, he gets flung deep into space by Fujitora casually.
How do you know Kurama had nothing to do with it? It was a fusion between Madara's Susanoo and both halves of Kurama, that is an insane amp that can't at all be attributed to Madara alone.
Cutting the tops of six mountains >>> cutting the tops of two mountains
Naruto has the visually superior feats but through statements, scaling and calculations, One Piece top tiers scale far, far higher than guys like Madara, only Six Paths characters outstat them.
Vaporizing a sword from a distance without direct contact is magnitudes superior than partially melting a ribcage Susanoo that has zero heat feats, and that was just from Akainu existing lol.
Lifting a country worth of rubble >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifting a hollow Susanoo that even if it was solid, would still be lighter than Pica's golem alone, he gets flung deep into space by Fujitora casually.
How do you know Kurama had nothing to do with it? It was a fusion between Madara's Susanoo and both halves of Kurama, that is an insane amp that can't at all be attributed to Madara alone.
Cutting the tops of six mountains >>> cutting the tops of two mountains
Naruto has the visually superior feats but through statements, scaling and calculations, One Piece top tiers scale far, far higher than guys like Madara, only Six Paths characters outstat them.
Not all forms of intangibility are the same. Obito has intangibility, other characters from other verses have intangibility too, but not all types of intangibility are based on the same principle, e.g. Logias representing elements. So moves working on one type on intangibility doesn't mean they will work on Logias.
What do you mean with "distance"? The sword was right next to Akainu when he turned into magma, and it was some scrap metal held by a fodder. You literally had Curiel bathing in Akainu's Magma.
So? What's the point of lifting Susanoo? That is assuming you can lift a manifestation of energy/Chakra that shrouds the user with gravity. Susanoo will just pull its blade and obliterate Fujitora.
Because making Kurama wear Susanoo as an armor served different purposes as I said, it doesn't mean Susanoo's sword swing is somehow amped.
2 mountains after crushing the meteor point blank and the shockwave keeping traveling after busting those two mountains*. And yeah, because in one instance, Susanoo swung its blade in one direction, against Hashirama, Susanoo's sword made a 360 turn. Unless you think Susanoo needs Kurama for swinging its blade with more range of motion.
What do you mean with "distance"? The sword was right next to Akainu when he turned into magma, and it was some scrap metal held by a fodder. You literally had Curiel bathing in Akainu's Magma.
So? What's the point of lifting Susanoo? That is assuming you can lift a manifestation of energy/Chakra that shrouds the user with gravity. Susanoo will just pull its blade and obliterate Fujitora.
Because making Kurama wear Susanoo as an armor served different purposes as I said, it doesn't mean Susanoo's sword swing is somehow amped.
2 mountains after crushing the meteor point blank and the shockwave keeping traveling after busting those two mountains*. And yeah, because in one instance, Susanoo swung its blade in one direction, against Hashirama, Susanoo's sword made a 360 turn. Unless you think Susanoo needs Kurama for swinging its blade with more range of motion.
I never said all forms of intangibility are the same, however, elemental intangibility, such as what logia are, is very common.
What I mean by "distance" is that it wasn't in contact, there was at least a foot of distance between Akainu and the sword which matters greatly considering how rapidly heat dissipates and still he vaporized it instantly which is a much greater feat than anything Mei's magma has done.
Susanoo is a physical thing, it can be lifted, and effortlessly too. As to what Fujitora does with it, he can throw it into space, crush it into the ground or just keep Madara immobilized while eating noodles.
Acting like it's just armor is insanely disingenuous, Naruto and Sasuke's Kurama/Susanoo fusion allowed them to fight on par with Ten Tails Obito, it's an insane amp in practically every way.
So it did considerably less than what Kurama Susanoo did is what you're saying
What I mean by "distance" is that it wasn't in contact, there was at least a foot of distance between Akainu and the sword which matters greatly considering how rapidly heat dissipates and still he vaporized it instantly which is a much greater feat than anything Mei's magma has done.
Susanoo is a physical thing, it can be lifted, and effortlessly too. As to what Fujitora does with it, he can throw it into space, crush it into the ground or just keep Madara immobilized while eating noodles.
Acting like it's just armor is insanely disingenuous, Naruto and Sasuke's Kurama/Susanoo fusion allowed them to fight on par with Ten Tails Obito, it's an insane amp in practically every way.
So it did considerably less than what Kurama Susanoo did is what you're saying
Fujitora has only been shown to lift inanimate objects, he ain't throwing anything into the sky. So if Fujitora is capable of lifting Susanoo, one of two things happens:
1) Madara temporarily switches off Susanoo, or
2) Susanoo immediately strikes.
Zoro has shown how a simple swordslash already interrupts the gravity, and here we are talking about a mountain range buster.
No, he did exactly the same, cutting through a mountain range along the trajectory of the blade. It's like saying that Mihawk could cut the ice berg from one side, but he could not have cut both ice bergs by simply increasing the range of motion of his blade and do a 360. As long as the mountains are within range, it doesn't matter. And a single swing of Susanoo's blade covers an area much larger than an admiral could replicate within that time frame. Unless we are talking about Aokiji freezing the ozean, which isn't exactly AP.
1) Madara temporarily switches off Susanoo, or
2) Susanoo immediately strikes.
Zoro has shown how a simple swordslash already interrupts the gravity, and here we are talking about a mountain range buster.
So it did considerably less than what Kurama Susanoo did is what you're saying
I'm not even going to entertain that bolded point with a genuine response because we both know it is utterly retarded.
Madara turns off Susanoo but then finds himself flung into space or crushed into the ground, either way, this pretty much makes it so that he can't use Susanoo the entire fight, otherwise Fujitora just ragdolls it like we discussed.
Zoro was strong enough to withstand casual Fujitora's gravity, Madara does not get Zoro's feats, that isn't how this works.
Mountain busting is not impressive for One Piece top tiers, they're easily in the island range if you want to use disgusting levels of lowball and if we're being realistic, they're in the country/continent range.
No dude, regular Susanoo cut two mountain tops, Kurama Susanoo cut at least six, if you're not seeing how one is vastly superior to the other, then there isn't much more I can say.
Madara turns off Susanoo but then finds himself flung into space or crushed into the ground, either way, this pretty much makes it so that he can't use Susanoo the entire fight, otherwise Fujitora just ragdolls it like we discussed.
Zoro was strong enough to withstand casual Fujitora's gravity, Madara does not get Zoro's feats, that isn't how this works.
Mountain busting is not impressive for One Piece top tiers, they're easily in the island range if you want to use disgusting levels of lowball and if we're being realistic, they're in the country/continent range.
No dude, regular Susanoo cut two mountain tops, Kurama Susanoo cut at least six, if you're not seeing how one is vastly superior to the other, then there isn't much more I can say.
Jup, that's the limit Oda set for Fujitora, so he won't just launch everyone into space. Or are we now just going to gift him feats?
And in Madara's case we are talking about him sitting inside a 200 meter large armor of chakra.
No one displayed the feats Madara pulled of with his perfect Susanoo, basically altering the landscape and busting a mountain range instantly. Even Whitebeard with his Gura fruit who was going on rampage for an extended period of time, didn't do as much. Show me the on panel feats that compete with what the perfect Susanoo did.
You are getting desperate. I already established why those feats were exactly the same, which is cutting everything along the trajectory of the blade. While against the Kage, it actually was even more impressive, as the perfect Susanoo had to break through his giantic meteor point blank before having the shockwave travel through the mountains and cut them.
And in Madara's case we are talking about him sitting inside a 200 meter large armor of chakra.
No one displayed the feats Madara pulled of with his perfect Susanoo, basically altering the landscape and busting a mountain range instantly. Even Whitebeard with his Gura fruit who was going on rampage for an extended period of time, didn't do as much. Show me the on panel feats that compete with what the perfect Susanoo did.
You are getting desperate. I already established why those feats were exactly the same, which is cutting everything along the trajectory of the blade. While against the Kage, it actually was even more impressive, as the perfect Susanoo had to break through his giantic meteor point blank before having the shockwave travel through the mountains and cut them.
Fujitora has no such limit, you're confusing "yet to have done it" with "being unable to do it", Fujitora has already demonstrated both the range (through pulling meteors out of space), and strength of gravity (through lifting the rubble of Dressrosa) to achieve such a thing, Madara is getting flinged into orbit with or without his Susanoo.
Madara's Susanoo is both smaller and lighter than Pica's golem, let alone Pica's golem + the entirety of the rubble in Dressrosa, a country.
This is comically superior to cutting a few mountain tops
Another comically superior
This is also superior
This too
Comparable if not superior
Luffy being able to punch through an island is also far superior
Pre-timeskip Franky surviving this explosion, which again, is far superior to cutting a few mountain tops
So even though I already said that for the most part, Naruto has better visual feats, One Piece still has ones comparable to or far superior than Madara's multi-mountain top slice.
And of course there are still statements like;
Garp is said to use mountains as punching bags and to have pulverized eight of them as a warm up (entirely mind you, not just cutting like 1/3rd of it off as Madara did)
Chinjao is stated to have split a continent, pre-Ten Tails Madara doesn't have anything even a fraction as good as that.
No matter how much you wish it wasn't true, Madara's regular Susanoo cutting only two mountain tops will always be inferior to Kurama Susanoo cutting at least six.
Madara's Susanoo is both smaller and lighter than Pica's golem, let alone Pica's golem + the entirety of the rubble in Dressrosa, a country.
This is comically superior to cutting a few mountain tops
And of course there are still statements like;
Garp is said to use mountains as punching bags and to have pulverized eight of them as a warm up (entirely mind you, not just cutting like 1/3rd of it off as Madara did)
No it won't. The only scenario in which it would make sense was, if you stacked 6 mountains behind one another, with Susanoo only being able to bypass two, while Kurama-Susanoo would be able to bypass six, but as I said, in the fight with Hashirama, the only difference was Susanoo swinging its blade with a larger range of motion, nothing more. I also love how you say "tip of a mountain", as if that slash would not have gone through the entire one. We can see in the manga how the shockwave keeps traveling through the landscape after cutting the mountains, which means that cutting those tops didn't stop the attack.
And also, as I said, against the Kage, the swing of the perfect Susanoo's sword was even mitigated by the large meteor in its path which Susanoo had to burst in the process, so it wasn't just a comparison of "two mountains vs six mountains".
Mostly not comparable.
Whitebeard tilting the island: not a direct AP feat.
Aokiji freezing the ocean: not a direct AP feat.
Law cutting the mountain: hax, not raw strength, and Madara's range was larger, as it travelled through a mountain range, while Law cut the mountain he was standing inside of (which means the radius of Law's blade was effectively half the mountain).
Garp: nothing was said about "warm up" or how much effort Garp needed. He had to specifically prepare himself by crushing those mountains. Even if Garp crushed a mountain with one punch, Madara can slice through a mountain range.
Chinjao splitting a "continent" obviously too is an exaggeration. Sai already replicated that feat as per Chinjao's own words by splitting a hill.
That being said, yes, high end moves of highly destructive characters can do massive destruction too. But it's not something characters can casually replicate.
So what stops Fujitora to just fling all other admirals or Yonko into the space? There is an obvious restriction made by Oda and so I won't entertain fictional feats.
And also, as I said, against the Kage, the swing of the perfect Susanoo's sword was even mitigated by the large meteor in its path which Susanoo had to burst in the process, so it wasn't just a comparison of "two mountains vs six mountains".
This is comically superior to cutting a few mountain tops
Another comically superior
This is also superior
This too
Comparable if not superior
Luffy being able to punch through an island is also far superior
Pre-timeskip Franky surviving this explosion, which again, is far superior to cutting a few mountain tops
So even though I already said that for the most part, Naruto has better visual feats, One Piece still has ones comparable to or far superior than Madara's multi-mountain top slice.
Whitebeard tilting the island: not a direct AP feat.
Aokiji freezing the ocean: not a direct AP feat.
Law cutting the mountain: hax, not raw strength, and Madara's range was larger, as it travelled through a mountain range, while Law cut the mountain he was standing inside of (which means the radius of Law's blade was effectively half the mountain).
Garp: nothing was said about "warm up" or how much effort Garp needed. He had to specifically prepare himself by crushing those mountains. Even if Garp crushed a mountain with one punch, Madara can slice through a mountain range.
Chinjao splitting a "continent" obviously too is an exaggeration. Sai already replicated that feat as per Chinjao's own words by splitting a hill.
That being said, yes, high end moves of highly destructive characters can do massive destruction too. But it's not something characters can casually replicate.
So what stops Fujitora to just fling all other admirals or Yonko into the space? There is an obvious restriction made by Oda and so I won't entertain fictional feats.
Pretty much all those feats I listed were superior, some significantly so, and the ones that weren't were at minimum comparable.
Whitebeard tilting the island/surrounding ocean was done with his devil fruit and there's no reason why he can't put that same level of energy into his other devil fruit attacks.
Same goes with Aokiji.
Law is one I'll agree with but it was more so to show that mountain feats ain't all that.
Pulverizing mountains into pieces is significantly above cutting like a third of it off as Madara did.
Would agree if Chinjao being able to split a continent was just a one off claim, but not only are we shown him doing it, but it is stated like three or four times to have happened and to be possible, including Don Sai as you mentioned.
Madara can't casually replicate it either, his Perfect Susanoo is literally his peak power output.
Oda can't just have Fujitora throwing people into space for obvious reasons but the Battledome isn't constrained by plot restrictions, I've already clearly explained why Fujitora is capable, he has both the range and power to do it.
Whitebeard tilting the island/surrounding ocean was done with his devil fruit and there's no reason why he can't put that same level of energy into his other devil fruit attacks.
Same goes with Aokiji.
Law is one I'll agree with but it was more so to show that mountain feats ain't all that.
Pulverizing mountains into pieces is significantly above cutting like a third of it off as Madara did.
Would agree if Chinjao being able to split a continent was just a one off claim, but not only are we shown him doing it, but it is stated like three or four times to have happened and to be possible, including Don Sai as you mentioned.
Madara can't casually replicate it either, his Perfect Susanoo is literally his peak power output.
Oda can't just have Fujitora throwing people into space for obvious reasons but the Battledome isn't constrained by plot restrictions, I've already clearly explained why Fujitora is capable, he has both the range and power to do it.