Powers & Abilities Adv CoC is a requirement for Admiral rank

[TheAncientCenturion]

But It was

IMO it wasn’t, we never had to question or second guess ourselves when Saturn or Mars showed off their CoC in Egghear. With Kuzan it’s an on going debate and that’s enough for me to write him off for now.

It wasn't a real fight under any metric

i get that but this is likely to be Kizaru’s biggest moment in the story. He’s never going to get that much focus on him again. So for Oda to not show it off at all is telling. He had an entire arc to do it.

He Is literally part of a group with 100% rate of CoC users

I don’t care about the sword bois and their metrics. I think he’s got a good shot of having it but I wouldn’t be surprised if Fujitora got shafted, either.

Then you must think it's 0 even from Imu and all Gorosei

imu’s a good defense for Greenbull but IMO they aren’t the same. Imu is king of the world got a thousand years and Greenbull was forced to withdrawal completely because of Shanks and his crew’s presence. It doesn’t come off too strongly for CoC. I can’t see many CoC users doing that, again sans the immortal king who did have ptsd from Joyboy.

How do red puppytards say Kizaru can't have it because he didn't show it in Egghead, when Akainu didn't show it in all of marineford?

Who is the red puppy tard here? @SakazOuki ain’t active in this thread.

Marineford wasn’t an arc to showcase every characters power and pre timeskip was fairly odd with haki in general. Kizaru had a long enough time post-CoC coating (so nothing to hide) and hasn’t shown any hints of it.

Like, if Oda won’t show us Kizaru’s CoC when he’s most relevant to the story? I doubt he’ll add it in later when he’s one of 20 important characters running around

 

[Xione]

Greenbull — Need to see more from him but given his reaction to shanks, I think he’s a 0.

Luffy doesn't have ACoC

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Luffy doesn't have ACoC

That is not even close to the same reaction lol

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Luffy doesn't have ACoC

I know this is a joke so this isn't directed towards you personally but why do people still take this as Luffy being scared when he immediately fought Kizaru afterwards

 

[soupongo]

IMO it wasn’t, we never had to question or second guess ourselves when Saturn or Mars showed off their CoC in Egghear. With Kuzan it’s an on going debate and that’s enough for me to write him off for now.

i get that but this is likely to be Kizaru’s biggest moment in the story. He’s never going to get that much focus on him again. So for Oda to not show it off at all is telling. He had an entire arc to do it.



I don’t care about the sword bois and their metrics. I think he’s got a good shot of having it but I wouldn’t be surprised if Fujitora got shafted, either.



imu’s a good defense for Greenbull but IMO they aren’t the same. Imu is king of the world got a thousand years and Greenbull was forced to withdrawal completely because of Shanks and his crew’s presence. It doesn’t come off too strongly for CoC. I can’t see many CoC users doing that, again sans the immortal king who did have ptsd from Joyboy.


Who is the red puppy tard here? @SakazOuki ain’t active in this thread.

Marineford wasn’t an arc to showcase every characters power and pre timeskip was fairly odd with haki in general. Kizaru had a long enough time post-CoC coating (so nothing to hide) and hasn’t shown any hints of it.

Like, if Oda won’t show us Kizaru’s CoC when he’s most relevant to the story? I doubt he’ll add it in later when he’s one of 20 important characters running around

It's not you in specific, but this fanbase is full of people who think red puppy somehow has kings Haki. When factually:
he didn't use it against any of Whitebeards fodders
didn't use it against coby
didn't use it when Whitebeard low diffed him(Kizaru was casual against him)
shit himself at Shanks's presence (when Kizaru was casual)
is a pussy(bitched out of killing Kuzan)

And we know kings Haki has explicitly been a thing for years before MF. There isn't really an excuse here...

 

[NAMELESS]

This has been a long time coming.


Now, for any sane person with at least somewhat average IQ, these panels would've been more than enough to understand that Admirals have CoC from author's intentions:

But these """people""" actually believe the story works like this:

Garp the pussy who is afraid of the Admiral rank because he lacks the will to resist Celestial Dragons

Bumgoku the WG goon

Koby whose dream is to sniff Admiral rank (remember these people claim he's the new, stronger Garp but then ignore his dream)

Meanwhile the real conquerors:

Akainu

Unlike Bumgoku (and Garp) who let Yonko rule the New World during their time,
once Akainu took the office, he moved HQ to the New World and now HE rules New World

That's right, Doflamingo's speech page is so poorly translated in official English release that most people somehow did not comprehend this part and still believe that Yonko rule the New World.
When in fact it's the Marines who are now the rulers once Akainu took the office:

This alone shows that new Admirals surpassed bums like Garp and Sengoku in terms of will, initiative and conquest who in their time let Yonko rule New World.

Kizaru

People misinterpret Kizaru's character so hilariously bad just because he called himself a "cog".
Kizaru is what Garp wishes he could be.

Garp tries to uphold his justice:

but he lacks the will to push himself and go through with it,
and we know how it ends

Spoiler

And remember Garp was not ordered to stand in the way of Luffy or even go into battlefield, he tried to do this all on his own accord. He tried to uphold his justice to let Ace die and beat Luffy:

So the excuse "He lost on purpose" does not work. He lost because he lost the will.

Meanwhile Kizaru does what Garp wanted but failed to do,
Kizaru upholds his justice and has the will to push himself to kill his dear friend. Kizaru has MUCH stronger will than Garp. And will = haki.

Kizaru directly refuses Saturn's order right in his face and tells Saturn that he will do things his own way just so to not disrespect Sentomaru's honor:

Reminder that Garp is a pussy afraid of Admiral rank because he can't do this.

Kizaru's order triumphs over Saturn's order.
Doll tries to question and argue back to Saturn's order, but once Kizaru says 1 word, she gets shocked and listens right away:

Kuzan

The easiest CoC to see.
Those """people"""" who claim to be haki experts just recently tried to argue that Gaban did not have CoC because of their arbitrary haki signs like lightning not being thick enough or not K.O fodder, only to get slapped in the face by today's chapter.

Same thing here.
Kuzan and Garp have a clash that is basically 1:1 like Roger's and WB's and people try to gaslight and say that it's not CoC because it does not fit their headcanon rules of what CoC should do. But then those same people will have no problem accepting Kaido's and Meme's weak clash that has no signs whatsoever.

Not to mention this CoC haki is so advanced that it does what we've never seen before and creates haki explosion:

Fujitora

-Directly calls out WG
-Overrides WG orders
-Makes Vice Admiral fall on his ass just from his words

Unlike Garp the pussy,
Fujitora can have the Admiral rank and still directly oppose WG in their own home, free slaves and gets no punishment.

Aramaki

So in before all the cope with "muh wifi haki"

-Imu literally falls to his knees from haki that is in the other side of the world and did not even hit him
-cries out of pain
-huffs huffs
-shakes
And once again these low IQ people who claim that Imu solo'd joyboy and his army, have no problem with Imu "twerking" to Joyboy's haki and still being "final villain", but Aramaki being surprised by haki is somehow a great anti-feat that no other yonko besides Shanks the child of destiny, can even do.

Admiral rank meaning

Unlike Yonko title,
Admiral rank is strictly based on power and nothing more. You can only become Admiral if you are strong enough, so that means reaching the peak power there is.

Vice Admiral rank - all VA must use 2 haki
Admiral rank - all Admirals must use 3 haki and CoC is worthless unless it's advanced.

Summary

Current age Admirals are true conquerors that humiliate bums like Garp and Sengoku.
Current Admirals have way stronger haki than Garp and Sengoku and it actually makes sense since Luffy is about surpassing Roger which means his marine enemies have to be much stronger than Garp and Sengoku as well for that to happen.

COC isn't worthless. You can knock out hordes of fodder with it. WB had trouble facing so many fodder in MF, basic COC would have come in handy.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's not you in specific, but this fanbase is full of people who think red puppy somehow has kings Haki. When factually:
he didn't use it against any of Whitebeards fodders
didn't use it against coby
didn't use it when Whitebeard low diffed him(Kizaru was casual against him)
shit himself at Shanks's presence (when Kizaru was casual)
is a pussy(bitched out of killing Kuzan)

And we know kings Haki has explicitly been a thing for years before MF. There isn't really an excuse here...

It's 2025, I thought we were past slandering the goat Sakazuki

 

[NAMELESS]

It's 2025, I thought we were past slandering the goat Sakazuki

WB, Ace and Kuma fans are salty.

 

[soupongo]

It's 2025, I thought we were past slandering the goat Sakazuki

I'm not slandering him, he's a solid high tier with Imu and Garlings fuck up kids, and his rivals Luzan and Luffy's deadbeat dad. He simply isn't as strong as real top tiers like the Og Rocks pirates, their rivals like prime Croco and Moria and current admirals

 

[Dragon777]

IMO it wasn’t, we never had to question or second guess ourselves when Saturn or Mars showed off their CoC in Egghear. With Kuzan it’s an on going debate and that’s enough for me to write him off for now.

In fact, we hadn't because they were repeatedly showed (unlike Aokiji), but the single scene of Aokiji Is much more hinting than any scene the Gorosei have bar Topman's Roar.

We don't doubt the Gorosei have It only because, as I said having shown them repeatedly, Oda gave us the scene with the snails fainting down the line.

i get that but this is likely to be Kizaru’s biggest moment in the story. He’s never going to get that much focus on him again. So for Oda to not show it off at all is telling. He had an entire arc to do it.

But in that arc CoC (or fighting in general) wasn't the point for him: no new named moves, not even standard black haki.

Also, if Oda kept him alive, It's because he has a role to play, be It against the mugi or the Goverment. That was by far the end for Kizaru, in fact was kind of his beginning.

I don’t care about the sword bois and their metrics. I think he’s got a good shot of having it but I wouldn’t be surprised if Fujitora got shafted, either.

That's not so much about hyping Saijo's, but about facts: 100% of Saijo users have CoC; not 90, 100%.

And Fuji Is a Saijo users.

imu’s a good defense for Greenbull but IMO they aren’t the same. Imu is king of the world got a thousand years and Greenbull was forced to withdrawal completely because of Shanks and his crew’s presence. It doesn’t come off too strongly for CoC. I can’t see many CoC users doing that, again sans the immortal king who did have ptsd from Joyboy.

Even if we want to make an excuse for Imu, this was the Gorosei's reaction:

In a 4vs1.

If they have CoC, as they do, there Is no reason why Aramaki (who even talked about all RHP and not being the time to fight Shanks) shouldn't.

Even more so since Aramaki, opposite to Gorosei, Is an explicitly flamboyant and overreacting character.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I'm not slandering him, he's a solid high tier with Imu and Garlings fuck up kids, and his rivals Luzan and Luffy's deadbeat dad. He simply isn't as strong as real top tiers like the Og Rocks pirates, their rivals like prime Croco and Moria and current admirals

Prime Croc got dicked down by Whitebeard once and never set foot in the new world again
The definition of a pussy KEK

 

[Xione]

That is not even close to the same reaction lol

Well yes, one isn't getting cheapshot by an all-out CoC blast. Here is Akainu gettin affected by Shanks' casual Conqueror's. Me and you both agree Saka has Conqueror's:

Spoiler

Katakuri/Doffy shitting themselves at mention of names or in raw fear of top tiers, still having CoC. Unless your point was solely about the advanced conqueror's haki. Then...

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Even if we want to make an excuse for Imu, this was the Gorosei's reaction:

The Gorosei looked unaffected, while hitting Hero poses.

 

[soupongo]

Prime Croc got dicked down by Whitebeard once and never set foot in the new world again
The definition of a pussy KEK

He was having sex with Vivis mom, Aka red puppy's boss's boss' Boss's crushs great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great granddaughter

 

[Uncle Van]

Anyone who thinks only some Admiraks have CoC but not others has the reading comprehension of a gorilla

Hey....

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Well yes, one isn't getting cheapshot by an all-out CoC blast. Here is Akainu gettin affected by Shanks' casual Conqueror's. Me and you both agree Saka has Conqueror's:

Spoiler

Katakuri/Doffy shitting themselves at mention of names or in raw fear of top tiers, still having CoC. Unless your point was solely about the advanced conqueror's haki. Then...

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The Gorosei looked unaffected, while hitting Hero poses.

Yeah but Koby was a scrub at that point in time, that’s not the same as Aramaki’s reaction lol. Imagine if Kaido had that reaction from Linlin—and no I’m not counting him not wanting to fight her, but putting his hands up at Linlin’s haki.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

In fact, we hadn't because they were repeatedly showed (unlike Aokiji), but the single scene of Aokiji Is much more hinting than any scene the Gorosei have bar Topman's Roar.

We don't doubt the Gorosei have It only because, as I said having shown them repeatedly, Oda gave us the scene with the snails fainting down the line

We know CoC when we see it, there’s very little ambiguity when it’s blatantly confirmed. And with Kuzan, it’s a discussion because Oda did not showcase or highlight it at all.

Also, if Oda kept him alive, It's because he has a role to play, be It against the mugi or the Goverment. That was by far the end for Kizaru, in fact was kind of his beginning

Kizaru will have a role to play but he is never getting this amount of focus and screen time again. He’ll be competing with screen time against dozens of characters in a war, next time we see him in any significance.

That's not so much about hyping Saijo's, but about facts: 100% of Saijo users have CoC; not 90, 100%.

And Fuji Is a Saijo users

That’s a fun fact but I think the best confirmation is seeing it.

If they have CoC, as they do, there Is no reason why Aramaki (who even talked about all RHP and not being the time to fight Shanks) shouldn't

except they’ve shown it and weren’t as cowed as Greenbull was. That’s the difference. Joyboys CoC effected them, it didn’t make them voluntarily submit.

 

[Doggo]

That is not even close to the same reaction lol

You gotta take into consideration how "loud" characters in OP are exaggerated on their reactions

 

[kekaro]

Sakazuki — Almost definitely, he has strong ambitions and has to defeat a fellow admiral for his position, mirroring Blackbeards victory over Marco.

Kuzan — Potential is there, it’s odd it wasn’t revealed against Garp but the window is not closed. It can easily be seen in his fight against Koby.

Kizaru — Less than 10% he has it. We got an arc full of Kizaru and there’s no hint or sign of it. I’m not sure why Oda wouldn’t show off CoC against Luffy.

Fujitora — 50/50, could have it. He’s a strong willed admiral who clearly only submits to the WG in name only.

Greenbull — Need to see more from him but given his reaction to shanks, I think he’s a 0.

 

[soupongo]

We know CoC when we see it, there’s very little ambiguity when it’s blatantly confirmed. And with Kuzan, it’s a discussion because Oda did not showcase or highlight it at all.

Kizaru will have a role to play but he is never getting this amount of focus and screen time again. He’ll be competing with screen time against dozens of characters in a war, next time we see him in any significance.


That’s a fun fact but I think the best confirmation is seeing it.

except they’ve shown it and weren’t as cowed as Greenbull was. That’s the difference. Joyboys CoC effected them, it didn’t make them voluntarily submit.

You're giving Imu too many excuses. It's not like he saw Joyboy himself in person after 1000 years. He simply freaked out at extreme Haki

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I know this is a joke so this isn't directed towards you personally but why do people still take this as Luffy being scared when he immediately fought Kizaru afterwards

Because he still was scared in that panel?
Sometimes you people argue to argue

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yeah but Koby was a scrub at that point in time, that’s not the same as Aramaki’s reaction lol. Imagine if Kaido had that reaction from Linlin—and no I’m not counting him not wanting to fight her, but putting his hands up at Linlin’s haki.

Imu’s reaction to Joyboy’s Haki from across the ocean was far, far worse

Imu legit looked like they were about to pass out, Waramaki just looked annoyed

Literally Aramaki’s reaction to Raizo’s fire which didn’t hurt him was more exaggerated than his reaction to Saint Shanks’s Haki