Powers & Abilities Advanced Conqueror Haki vs Devil Fruit Awakening

[Tai long]

This seems like cope. Roger is clearly stronger than Luffy, Kaido or Akainu. And BB doesn't have to be able to beat Roger. Roger doesn't have a fruit which means the yami fruits greatest strength is worthless against him.

Roger is stronger than luffy but bb and imu would be stronger than roger

Post automatically merged: Apr 22, 2022

Also bb as the gura

 

[Iam25]

Roger is stronger than luffy but bb and imu would be stronger than roger

Post automatically merged: Apr 22, 2022

Also bb as the gura

Headcanon until proven. And even if he does what if BB gets a third fruit? And Imu? No proof he is strong.

I mean. Akainu doesn't have 2 or 3 fruits. He can't do what BB can.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

There are levels to awakening and conqueror's haki. CoC has better portrayal but nothing is absolute. All CoC's portrayal indicates is that CoC has more potential than DFs.

In all likelihood, I think gura gura no mi awakening will completely shit on CoC coating and Luffy will need to unlock the ultimate level of haki in order to beat Teach. he'll need the thing Roger had(whatever it was) to equal WB.

If Gura Gura shit on CoC then why is it that Whitebeard chose to use CoC and not Gura Gura against his strongest challenge.

Every single thing Luffy has done in his awakening wouldn't even tickle Kaido if it wasn't for his CoC and CoA.
And Luffy even before awakening was doing just fine against Kaido, his damage out put literally didn't change much.

Though it might change this chapter, that mountain sized punch would still do nothing to Kaido without Haki.

 

[Wh1p]

Awakened Luffy without good haki would just be a clown

 

[Monkey D Theories]

If Gura Gura shit on CoC then why is it that Whitebeard chose to use CoC and not Gura Gura against his strongest challenge.

Every single thing Luffy has done in his awakening wouldn't even tickle Kaido if it wasn't for his CoC and CoA.
And Luffy even before awakening was doing just fine against Kaido, his damage out put literally didn't change much.

Though it might change this chapter, that mountain sized punch would still do nothing to Kaido without Haki.

because using gura gura no mi awakening would probably destroy the island and most of his crew

 

[Finalbeta]

Nika is a force of nature, without it Luffy would be hyperbolically weaker

Of course though if you remove haki from Zoro things become particularly bad either And I can speculate even worse unironically

 

[ThunderSupernova]

Cool how, before Zoro gained Adv CoC, everyone was saying that Adv CoC was an unbelievable power, something that only the top tiers can, something that was only for Luffy in the Strawhats and that Zoro would have been lucky to obtain at EoS, if even.

Then Oda killed them, not only giving Adv CoC to Zoro but also giving it to him in the same arc as Luffy, and merely a few chapters after Luffy, also.

Then there are Kaido's statements that further killed it: "only a handful of the strongest can" (referring to Adv CoC) and "you don't need an ability to dominate... like Roger who wasn't a user and was still capable to do greats things in this world... only Haki ... surpasses everything!" (and Adv CoC is the strongest kind of Haki, obviously)

So they moved the goal in saying that Adv CoC is not that strong, that DF Awakening is the same It not better. And that anyway Zoro's Adv CoC is weaker than the others. Even if 1) CoC is based on will, and Zoro's will is one of the greatest 2) by feats his black black lighting sparks are some of the biggest we have ever seen on panel.

And now Oda destroyed them again, with Kaido's statement about Haki being the strongest power of all...

But hey, being envious of the way Oda loves Zoro is certainly understandable. Maybe the salt is too much and the denial is going too strong, but yeah I can understand where does it come from.

 

[Killer#777]

Cool how, before Zoro gained Adv CoC, everyone was saying that Adv CoC was an unbelievable power, something that only the top tiers can, something that was only for Luffy in the Strawhats and that Zoro would have been lucky to obtain at EoS, if even.

Then Oda killed them, not only giving Adv CoC to Zoro but also giving it to him in the same arc as Luffy, and merely a few chapters after Luffy, also.

Then there are Kaido's statements that further killed it: "only a handful of the strongest can" (referring to Adv CoC) and "you don't need an ability to dominate... like Roger who wasn't a user and was still capable to do greats things in this world... only Haki ... surpasses everything!" (and Adv CoC is the strongest kind of Haki, obviously)

So they moved the goal in saying that Adv CoC is not that strong, that DF Awakening is the same It not better. And that anyway Zoro's Adv CoC is weaker than the others. Even if 1) CoC is based on will, and Zoro's will is one of the greatest 2) by feats his black black lighting sparks are some of the biggest we have ever seen on panel.

And now Oda destroyed them again, with Kaido's statement about Haki being the strongest power of all...

But hey, being envious of the way Oda loves Zoro is certainly understandable. Maybe the salt is too much and the denial is going too strong, but yeah I can understand where does it come from.

Is that really what you got from the recent chapter?

 

[Law-sama]

I think haki is stupid and don't want to talk about it

 

[Lor D. Coast]

I think haki is stupid and don't want to talk about it

That's what happens when you suck off hakilets.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

because using gura gura no mi awakening would probably destroy the island and most of his crew

Lmao they didn't give a shit about that they CoC was already damaging the island.

So then this awakening is shit, it might damage WB himself, he would never use it since he always rides with the crew.

You need to go to remote island to use it

 

[Gorosei]

CoC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Awakening.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

CoC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Awakening.

Zoro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law and Kidd
Thank you for confirming the obvious

 

[Gorosei]

Zoro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law and Kidd
Thank you for confirming the obvious

Thank you for setting the bar so low.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Thank you for setting the bar so low.

True kid and Law are low bar but there are still 3 or 4 out of 1000 people who believe Law and Kidd can compete with or even beat zoro.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I gonna post the same thing that I've just said in the other thread:

All abilities matter, and whether or not the said abilities can triumph over another ability completely depends on the individuals using them. What sets Haki apart from the DF abilities is the fact that it has no limits. I mean, you could be Gol D. Roger but there is a limit to how strong you could become using Bara Bara no Mi. Yeah, I know I used a weak ability as an example. It's to let you know that even Roger can only get so far with a devil's fruit despite his high potential.

Obviously, some devil's fruits have a very high ceiling but still, there is a limit to it. Kaido, for example, needed to hone his Haki skills despite reaching his fruit's fullest potential—Yes, he awakened his fruit whether it was mentioned or not. And his fruit is one of the strongest there is.

Haki, however, doesn't have such a limit. The user's potential is the only thing that's limiting the Haki form growing. Besides, none of what Kaido said prevents DF users from mastering their Haki although their Haki wouldn't be as powerful as pure Haki users because they need to split their time and potential b/w Haki and devil's fruit. Whitebeard was predominantly an ability user, yet he was equal to Roger. So there is no need to act like DFs are suddenly second-grade powers just because Haki received some hype.

All abilities matter irrespective of how weak they are, period. It all comes down to how good the users are and how the abilities involved interact with each other. End of the story.

 

[Finalbeta]

I feel like Luffy will probably unleash an unprecedented level of haki against Teach assuming Yami will prove highly efficient against Nika

 

[Blackbeard]

The matter is far more complicated.

The user's stats/weapons can affect the efficiency of both Haki/DFs, so you inevitably have to make extremely specific conditions with equalized stats under which CoC-level is taking on which DF.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Logias would be invincible without haki, haki allows regular people to tank bullets, swords, explosions, attacks from fruits, etc, without haki Roger would get oneshotted by WB's quake DF. Haki is everything.

 

[ThunderSupernova]

Kaido sees the Awakening of one of the most powerful DFs, possibly even the most powerful one

And still says that Haki surpasses all the powers (and Adv CoC Haki is obviously the strongest Haki)

Anyone who argues otherwise is literally in denial at this point, it would be arguing against the author
I mean, Kaido did say that not just for the lulz, but after directly witnessing what the Awakening of the very strongest DFs if not the strongest one can do

At this point, it is a given that Advanced Conqueror > DF Awakening > Haki > DF