Powers & Abilities AdvCoA lost its impact after introducing AdvCoC.

[BOCCHI]

Coby went through insane growth but no one is going to compare him to Roger and Whitebeard. The point of that comparison, is that at that point Luffy was within reach of those guys.

That’s just a wrong comparison mate. Coby didn’t become much stronger due to feeling/sensing the emotions of others. I agree the comparison of Luffy and those top tiers is to make a point they are within reach, but Luffy showed an insane difference in strength from the beginning of the arc to the start of the rooftop fight.

 

[draganax]

all of armament haki applications lost their impact.
CoC can be used the same way but at a much greater effect.

 

[WesMidnight]

I wish he'd been a bit clearer and we got to see Luffy use barrier haki properly to block an attack at least once with the open palm style, but I guess that would be too OP if he started parrying Kaido's attacks like Sandersonia at the beginning of the battle and make him look like less of an underdog.

 

[draganax]

i think CoA was easier to introduce the concept of outward haki, being a more effective application than the basic inward haki.

CoA:
inward
- invisible
- hardening
outward
- barrier
- internal destruction

CoC:
spirit overwhelming
inward
- stronger hardening
outward
- stronger barrier
- deeper internal destruction

when it was revealed that CoC can do the same thing that CoA can do and more, it immediately made CoA obsolete.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

AdvCoC being a superior version of CoA is pure stupidity on oda's part , if you don't have CoC you are almost trash to AdvCoC users

 

[sanjikun]

if you don't have CoC you are almost trash to AdvCoC users

You realize neither Kid nor Law have it? Neither did Luffy here

but Luffy showed an insane difference in strength from the beginning of the arc to the start of the rooftop fight.

Literally the only difference was the new Haki. That's what all the Supernova commented on.

Even Kid states that it's down to the "Haki".

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

You realize neither Kid nor Law have it? Neither did Luffy here

Literally the only difference was the new Haki. That's what all the Supernova commented on.

yes , you are proving my point , Luffy dealt damage comparable to the scabbards as Luffy himself called it "Shallow"

 

[sanjikun]

yes , you are proving my point , Luffy dealt damage comparable to the scabbards as Luffy himself called it "Shallow"

yes, all the scabbards combined with a G3 attack. None of them solo came even close to this.

 

[BOCCHI]

You realize neither Kid nor Law have it? Neither did Luffy here

Literally the only difference was the new Haki. That's what all the Supernova commented on.

It’s true the new haki made a difference, but what about being able to take a stronger attack than TB and still getting up? True he got knocked out, but he still got back up and fighting like nothing happened. His endurance suddenly got better…. It’s honestly was a stupid move by Oda that Luffy got one shotted which you can surely agree with me on that although its point was to show the difference in strength, but still the fact that current Luffy kept standing over and over showed he was not the same as before.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

yes, all the scabbards combined with a G3 attack. None of them solo came even close to this.

No , Luffy was talking about ALL of this attacks , included the entire G4 pummeling

 

[sanjikun]

It’s true the new haki made a difference, but what about being able to take a stronger attack than TB and still getting up? True he got knocked out, but he still got back up and fighting like nothing happened. His endurance suddenly got better…. It’s honestly was a stupid move by Oda that Luffy got one shotted which you can surely agree with me on that although its point was to show the difference in strength, but still the fact that current Luffy kept standing over and over showed he was not the same as before.

he never took a TB and got up. It never landed, but just grazed. Every time Kaido landed a clean hit (Ragnaraku, Last Round Hit) Luffy was KOed. TB is still Kaido's signature.

Luffy was clearly not using CoO in 923, which might as well have made him a cripple. Other than CoA, that was main source of the "gap" which was just an illusion.

 

[Iam25]

You realize neither Kid nor Law have it? Neither did Luffy here

Literally the only difference was the new Haki. That's what all the Supernova commented on.

Even Kid states that it's down to the "Haki".

I bet Kid gets AcoC soon. And debunks your trash 2 warlord = yonko nonsense

 

[BOCCHI]

I bet Kid gets AcoC soon. And debunks your trash 2 warlord = yonko nonsense

It’s not even needed mate. It’s very clear the moment advCoC was introduced advCoC has lost its spot light. And that’s the point of the thread. It’s no longer a talk about advCoA in this fight it’s just Luffy’s advCoC this and that by both characters.

 

[draganax]

i wanna add that the subject of this thread is only true when it concerns people who can already use ACoC, because there's no point for them to use inferior techniques.

also having ACoC doesn't automatically make you stronger than those that don't. and luffy vs boa marigold is a perfect example of that, because luffy overpowered marigold's ACoA with just his superior physical strength and speed.

so people can have a very powerful physical strength/CoA/ACoA that makes them able to rival others with ACoC.

 

[BOCCHI]

i wanna add that the subject of this thread is only true when it concerns people who can already use ACoC, because there's no point for them to use inferior techniques.

also having ACoC doesn't automatically make you stronger than those that don't. and luffy vs boa marigold is a perfect example of that, because luffy overpowered marigold's ACoA with just his superior physical strength and speed.

so people can have a very powerful physical strength/CoA/ACoA that makes them able to rival others with ACoC.

True, but the point of this thread comes down to how advCoA is overshadowed by advCoC. It’s no longer a focus and display of advCoA after the other PU was introduced. It had its two minutes of fame at the beginning of the rooftop then it’s never was noted and focused on.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

True, but the point of this thread comes down to how advCoA is overshadowed by advCoC. It’s no longer a focus and display of advCoA after the other PU was introduced. It had its two minutes of fame at the beginning of the rooftop then it’s never was noted and focused on.

Well that's because Luffy is a CoC specialist, not a CoA specialist. He's naturally better at CoC and hence his CoC is much stronger than his CoA.

The reverse of that would be Zoro, who's CoA imo is highlighted much more than his CoC.

 

[BOCCHI]

Well that's because Luffy is a CoC specialist, not a CoA specialist. He's naturally better at CoC and hence his CoC is much stronger than his CoA.

The reverse of that would be Zoro, who's CoA imo is highlighted much more than his CoC.

Mate once again it’s not about which power is stronger. I also understand how you brought up the argument of Luffy being a CoC specialist. However, this is about how advCoA prior to the raid was claimed to be the answer to Kaido’s hard skin and training for it while it did decent it was not enough and AdvCoC came to play and from that point we no longer got focus on advCoA… it’s definitely not a matter of specialty, but a PU overshadowed the other in a rather short time to the point it felt insignificant.

 

[Iam25]

It’s not even needed mate. It’s very clear the moment advCoC was introduced advCoC has lost its spot light. And that’s the point of the thread. It’s no longer a talk about advCoA in this fight it’s just Luffy’s advCoC this and that by both characters.

???? Kid needs AcoC in order to fight a yonko. Did you misread

 

[nik87]

Feels the opposite for me.
CoC ended up being what ID CoA is...
It ended up boosting ID CoA to penetrate deeper.

 

[trav]

Oden almost did Kaido in without it.
CoC coating is a plot device to protect Luffy from attacks that he would otherwise be defenseless against.
for example, characters like Zoro can block magma attacks with their weapon. what does Luffy have? nothing. he would get burned any time he tried to defend himself.
Oda introduced this concept so Luffy even stands a chance vs some characters.