Bougya AdvCoC is colorful lightning

[Galahad]

Second image no touch, first touch..

Obviously. But what is the difference between the two images that justifies this change in Kaido?

Remember, we are trying to find explanations.

 

[Rootbeer]

Obviously. But what is the difference between the two images that justifies this change in Kaido?

Remember, we are trying to find explanations.

To sky split you both need no touch.. It's stronger than touch AdCoC, but you drain you CoC and Haki faster which is why Luffy lost the first RF round..

 

[Guymieux]

To sky split you both need no touch.. It's stronger than touch AdCoC, but you drain you CoC and Haki faster which is why Luffy lost the first RF round..

Holy shit … I remember when your stupid ass adamantly used to say it’s not adv Coc if it touches . Now look at you . Why don’t you just come to terms with the facts that you’re a drooling idiot and shut the fuck up

 

[Rootbeer]

Holy shit … I remember when your stupid ass adamantly used to say it’s not adv Coc if it touches . Now look at you . Why don’t you just come to terms with the facts that you’re a drooling idiot and shut the fuck up

There's a quote that says '' only fools don't change their minds '', you should look up into it..

 

[bennbeckman]

This thread is just Rootbeer vs everyone

 

[Galahad]

To sky split you both need no touch.. It's stronger than touch AdCoC, but you drain you CoC and Haki faster which is why Luffy lost the first RF round..

Correct, but just because they don't touch doesn't mean that the sky splits, we have many examples. So it's still not a justification.

Seeing that you are having a hard time finding the difference, let me give you an idea:

Could it be that in the first image it is just one attack, while in the second there are two attacks colliding? I think it's an obvious difference, right?

 

[Guymieux]

There's a quote that says '' only fools don't change their minds '', you should look up into it..

The only quote I can remember is “ rootbeer has a giant stinky doodoo in his skull instead of a brain “

 

[Rootbeer]

Correct, but just because they don't touch doesn't mean that the sky splits, we have many examples. So it's still not a justification.

Seeing that you are having a hard time finding the difference, let me give you an idea:

Could it be that in the first image it is just one attack, while in the second there are two attacks colliding? I think it's an obvious difference, right?

I don't recall any instance of 2 no touch AdCoC not sky splitting right now..

If by 2 attacks colliding you mean 2 invisible CoC coating layer not touching each other colliding then yes.. What's the point..
Or you mean the Haki divide in the middle..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

It's assumptions, he said CoC, not AdCoC.. Don't try to appropriate what Oda said to yourself.. I recognize my headcanons do you yours?..

Roger's Kamusari is a CoA attack and you need CoC to bend its powers to your will, just like Zoro with Enma.. Swordsmanship has always been primarily CoA focused..

It is not an assumption. Divine Departure is an attack therefore since its coated in CoC makes it AdvCoC. What is the AdvCoC? its coating your attacks/blades/weapons. I didn't appropriate anything.


There is no such thing as "Roger's Kamusari is a CoA attack and you need CoC to bend its powers to your will, just like Zoro with Enma" You can't even mask your bullshit lmao.. Oda said "Take it Easy with all that CoC" on the "attack". It does not take a genius to understand he means CoC nothing about CoA in there.

While we know 100% they are combining both applications aka CoA and CoC. But Oda chose "Supreme Haki".

Whatever you say is nonsense you can't escape this situation. Unless you can take the same question and tell me exactly where Oda says

"CoA bended by CoC famed blade swordmanship path no advCoC lightning goes upward color is pure soul spirit only pirate king path can use"

Can you ?

instead you should write this exact line in your next reply to me

Spoiler: wah

omg what can i do i lost this argument the moment Luffy used black and red colors and kaido is using purple what....i guess i was wrong.

 

[Rootbeer]

It is not an assumption. Divine Departure is an attack therefore since its coated in CoC makes it AdvCoC. What is the AdvCoC? its coating your attacks/blades/weapons. I didn't appropriate anything.


There is no such thing as "Roger's Kamusari is a CoA attack and you need CoC to bend its powers to your will, just like Zoro with Enma" You can't even mask your bullshit lmao.. Oda said "Take it Easy with all that CoC" on the "attack". It does not take a genius to understand he means CoC nothing about CoA in there.

While we know 100% they are combining both applications aka CoA and CoC. But Oda chose "Supreme Haki".

Whatever you say is nonsense you can't escape this situation. Unless you can take the same question and tell me exactly where Oda says

"CoA bended by CoC famed blade swordmanship path no advCoC lightning goes upward color is pure soul spirit only pirate king path can use"

Can you ?

instead you should write this exact line in your next reply to me

Spoiler: wah

omg what can i do i lost this argument the moment Luffy used black and red colors and kaido is using purple what....i guess i was wrong.

So Black Red lightning(Black Green, Black Blue) is literally CoA, if Roger used AdCoC it would have been Red since he's a master at it..

You don't have to use AdCoC to imbue an attack in CoC, just like you don't have to use Black Hardening on your fist to use Base invisible CoA..

When fodder pass out from CoC they are literally being infused by CoC..

Very low CoC is in Roger's Kamusari if any, that's why i said 95% CoA, 5% CoC.. CoC's main goal is to wield Famed Blade like a feather and use their power easily..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

So Black Red lightning(Black Green, Black Blue) is literally CoA, if Roger used AdCoC it would have been Red since he's a master at it..

You don't have to use AdCoC to imbue an attack in CoC, just like you don't have to use Black Hardening on your fist to use Base invisible CoA..

When fodder pass out from CoC they are literally being infused by CoC..

Very low CoC is in Roger's Kamusari if any, that's why i said 95% CoA, 5% CoC.. CoC's main goal is to wield Famed Blade like a feather and use their power easily..

Nope nothing you wrote answers or makes any sense.

Oda said "Take it easy with that Supreme Haki" and he was referring to the attacks of Oden's and Roger's.

As i previously said "take it easy" is obviously meaning "hold off on excessive use of said thing aka CoC" on the attacks so they are coated in CoC which makes them AdvCoC.

Oda said that so its a fact. Do not try

colors means nothing the moment Kaido's were purple.

 

[Rootbeer]

Nope nothing you wrote answers or makes any sense.

Oda said "Take it easy with that Supreme Haki" and he was referring to the attacks of Oden's and Roger's.

As i previously said "take it easy" is obviously meaning "hold off on excessive use of said thing aka CoC" on the attacks so they are coated in CoC which makes them AdvCoC.

Oda said that so its a fact. Do not try

colors means nothing the moment Kaido's were purple.

Take it easy as you don't need a lot of CoC to draw out a Famed Blade's power.. Roger wouldn't use Black Red lightning AdCoC because that's what beginners like Luffy and '' Zoro(fake AdCoC) '' do..

If colors means truly mean nothing surely there will be a Black Purple Lightning from Kaido..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Take it easy as you don't need a lot of CoC to draw out a Famed Blade's power.. Roger wouldn't use Black Red lightning AdCoC because that's what beginners like Luffy and '' Zoro(fake AdCoC) '' do..

If colors means truly mean nothing surely there will be a Black Purple Lightning from Kaido..

whatever you wrote too also means nothing. You are going out of your way to disapprove Oda's words.

Oda says take it easy and you say you don't need a lot. So your whole argument here is invalid since you are trying to go against Oda's words.

Colors means and we will not see any black purple or anything that matters. And Zoro already showed you pure blue what about that? see? nothing matters haki is black and the official colors and the anime are going out of their way to add colors into them.

 

[Guymieux]

Take it easy as you don't need a lot of CoC to draw out a Famed Blade's power.. Roger wouldn't use Black Red lightning AdCoC because that's what beginners like Luffy and '' Zoro(fake AdCoC) '' do..

If colors means truly mean nothing surely there will be a Black Purple Lightning from Kaido..

Oda draw his story in black and white you idiot . Fuck the colors zoro has adv Coc and you have shit for brains

 

[minamoto]

Don't try to deconstruct my words.. CoC Coating is not only creating an invisible layer, it's also Coating surrounding CoA Lightning..

Uh no Whitebeard and Roger it's Red, the Oden one you showed is Red Purple..


99% of people thought the earth was flat before it was proven to be round.. Don't you think that you can also be wrong about Zoro having AdCoC especially when it's not his specialty.. Zoro's specialty is CoA, which is what KoH is mainly..

No Zoro is one of the few Swordsmen walking down the WSS path, which differ from Swordsmen walking down the PK path..



Because when you no touch AdCoC with a weapon or with your first there's no difference on the end result.. So if you hit someone with no touch AdCoC it's the same outcome than no touch with a fist like Luffy and Garp.. So AdCoC is not a Swordsmanship skill..

Zoro didn't show Haki before Luffy.. Luffy showed CoO in Syrup Village against Kuro..


Irrelevant..


No you can't.. No matter how much you wank Zoro..



I'm not baiting, you're just defeated..

I could be wrong and if the manga showed some proof that I was wrong, I would admit it without problems. But the manga is proving me right on everything, even on the subject of colors, oooh surprise.

The difference between Galileo, me and you, is that Galileo and I proved our points. You however, after your mistake was proven, after years, you simply changed everything and continued to go on about things that in the black and white manga, the only one written by Oda, cannot be distinguished in any way.



And Luffy is a CoC specialist and yet he also has a great CoA and CoO. Being a specialist doesn't exclude you from the rest.

Also, Oden wasn't going down the PK path and I remind you that Shanks has been a rival for the title of Best Swordsman of Mihawk. Nor was it said anywhere that such a difference existed, for a change with you, inventing things that are not said anywhere.



I repeat that it is confirmed that Oden, a swordsman from Wano, had AdvCoC. Haki in general, has potential for ANY fighting style. Again you are making up things that were not said anywhere.

By the way... Do you want me to show you AGAIN all the examples of Kaido hitting Luffy using AdvCoC?



Nop. Not even close hahaha

Literally the first definition of CoA and CoO we met in the fight between Zoro and Mr1.



So Kaido, the user who explains AdvCoC, hitting his target multiple times, dismantling all your mental nonsense, is irrelevant? In fact, I can give you examples of Luffy hitting Kizaru with AdvCoC... Even Riger hitting Oden...



That's your problem. I don't care if Zoro has AdvCoC or not. In fact, I generated my theories about the trails and the AdvCoC before Zoro showed it. And in fact at that time I could never imagine that Zoro would awaken AdvCoC, but I accepted it.

First, the characteristics of a power are generated and then, we see which characters fit it. You do it the other way around, you are determined that Zoro does not have it and you go looking for "proof" that he does not have it.

That is not being impartial. In fact, you have even broken your own word to accept Zoro's AdvCoC if your theory of the colors was not fulfilled and look at how many times I asked you in the multiple topics you made, because I already knew that this would happen. And with this you have been completely exposed.



I wish I was being provocative, it's worse when someone believes such nonsense without any proof. You still haven't explained to me how to distinguish in the manga when the line is one color + black or just color.
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So Kaido doesn't have CoC because he's purple?

one piece wold is flat...not sferikal..

 

[Galahad]

I don't recall any instance of 2 no touch AdCoC not sky splitting right now..

Luffy's first few attacks with AdvCoC don't split the sky, and many of his later attacks don't either.

If by 2 attacks colliding you mean 2 invisible CoC coating layer not touching each other colliding then yes.. What's the point..
Or you mean the Haki divide in the middle..

So with this we have defined another rule and we add it to the previous ones:

1- We have already come to the conclusion that in a black and white manga the colors do not mean much.
2- There is AdvCoC that touches and AdvCoC that does not touch.

2.1- If there is only ONE AdvCoC attack, then we are talking about AdvCoC touch. When TWO AdvCoC attacks collide, we are talking about AdvCoC no touch.​

If we now apply these rules, we will reach a contradiction, since we have seen ONE attack from Luffy and yet it does not hit Kaido.

How do we justify this? Is there some power that we know Luffy has that has the ability to hit without touching and we know that Kaido does not have it?

I think so, the AdvCoA. Right?

 

[Rootbeer]

whatever you wrote too also means nothing. You are going out of your way to disapprove Oda's words.

Oda says take it easy and you say you don't need a lot. So your whole argument here is invalid since you are trying to go against Oda's words.

Colors means and we will not see any black purple or anything that matters. And Zoro already showed you pure blue what about that? see? nothing matters haki is black and the official colors and the anime are going out of their way to add colors into them.

You can't prove why it can't be mainly a CoA attack with CoC.. He just left the details out and called it only CoC because even if the attack is CoA based it wouldn't be possible to execute it without CoC so..


CoA lightning has many ranges of colors, when characters get serious it's going to be Black coupled with a unique color.. Yamato did blue lightning too like Zoro on an insignificant clash, it's whatever..

Luffy's first few attacks with AdvCoC don't split the sky, and many of his later attacks don't either.

You need 2 no touch AdCoC attack impact to sky split.. What's your point..

So with this we have defined another rule and we add it to the previous ones:

1- We have already come to the conclusion that in a black and white manga the colors do not mean much.
2- There is AdvCoC that touches and AdvCoC that does not touch.
2.1- If there is only ONE AdvCoC attack, then we are talking about AdvCoC touch. When TWO AdvCoC attacks collide, we are talking about AdvCoC no touch.
If we now apply these rules, we will reach a contradiction, since we have seen ONE attack from Luffy and yet it does not hit Kaido.

How do we justify this? Is there some power that we know Luffy has that has the ability to hit without touching and we know that Kaido does not have it?

I think so, the AdvCoA. Right?

The one or two attack is irrelevant, an AdCoC user can use no touch or touch AdCoC.. Luffy simply didn't know how to do touch AdCoC initally..

You can't use CoA Barrier simultaneously with CoA internal destruction, either one or the other..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

You can't prove why it can't be mainly a CoA attack with CoC.. He just left the details out and called it only CoC because even if the attack is CoA based it wouldn't be possible to execute it without CoC so..


CoA lightning has many ranges of colors, when characters get serious it's going to be Black coupled with a unique color.. Yamato did blue lightning too like Zoro on an insignificant clash, it's whatever..

Yes i can prove it so easily. Because CoC + Attack is what mattered in his response which means the attack was mainly CoC and thats what was important.

CoA lightning were only black and with another color according to you. Yamato and Zoro used pure blue. So your colors means nothing you either accept that or you must call those panels AdvCoC because you said yourself "CoC is 1 color from spirit" or whatever bullshit lol.

Haki is black. Oda draws them black. End of story

 

[Rootbeer]

Yes i can prove it so easily. Because CoC + Attack is what mattered in his response which means the attack was mainly CoC and thats what was important.

CoA lightning were only black and with another color according to you. Yamato and Zoro used pure blue. So your colors means nothing you either accept that or you must call those panels AdvCoC because you said yourself "CoC is 1 color from spirit" or whatever bullshit lol.

Haki is black. Oda draws them black. End of story

That doesn't prove anything.. You're saying it's what mattered, not Oda.. He always never give all the informations and readers have to extrapolate..

It's all sorts of colors, but when characters get serious and not using perfected AdCoC, it's Black with a unique color..

Then why isn't it Black here..

The Haki lightning is Black, the Haki blast attack isn't..

 

[vikas]

I still prefer this

Now we just call anything CoC related as Lighting it has lost its originality in a way.