Future Events Against who will Shanks show off?

[grey matter]

If garp can fight equally with a top tier swordsman roger with bare fist, why cant luffy fight with shanks?

It's a bit different though.

When we consider someone's power level, we should consider all the aspects.

A significant contribution that takes him to overall yonko level is the immense blunt force damage resistance that Luffy gets from his DF. The blunt force resistance which hightens much further in his G5.

To put things in perspective, G5 Luffy took more damage from a flying slash from Kaido, than he took from advanced conqueror's blunt attacks.
There was a great post from @ZenZu which went over the entire thing, I will quote it once I find it

Point being, a component of Luffy's overall power level is nerfed here.
When it comes to Garp, is a the character with the greatest haki hype IMO. Things are a bit different here.

Now, of course Luffy can fight Shanks, protect himself with the "gap" function from advanced conqueror's/armament.
This could be how Roger vs Garp might have gone through. Nobody said they had long fights, just that they fought each other in close fights many times.

But the difference comes when you get hit clean, as @nik87 also said.

Thestaple of Luffy's fights involved him getting hit clean multiple times, in fights that span over several chapters.
You simply don't get hit clean by a swordsman of Shanks' caliber a 100 times, like how Kaido landed countless clean hits on Luffy. That would be a very strange fight, first of it's kind in OP for sure.

Kaido, the most durable character in the series so far, could at max handle like 5 of the attacks that Oden landed on him before going down. Lethality and attack power of top tier swordsmen are a thing.

 

[BlackLegFring]

I still believe it is Blackbeard, but I also feel that there will be shenanigans involved. That way Oda can try to preserve Shanks’ dignity while not showing the extent of BB’s abilities.

 

[Psychiatrist]

It's a bit different though.

When we consider someone's power level, we should consider all the aspects.

A significant contribution that takes him to overall yonko level is the immense blunt force damage resistance that Luffy gets from his DF. The blunt force resistance which hightens much further in his G5.

To put things in perspective, G5 Luffy took more damage from a flying slash from Kaido, than he took from advanced conqueror's blunt attacks.
There was a great post from @ZenZu which went over the entire thing, I will quote it once I find it

Point being, a component of Luffy's overall power level is nerfed here.
When it comes to Garp, is a the character with the greatest haki hype IMO. Things are a bit different here.

Now, of course Luffy can fight Shanks, protect himself with the "gap" function from advanced conqueror's/armament.
This could be how Roger vs Garp might have gone through. Nobody said they had long fights, just that they fought each other in close fights many times.

But the difference comes when you get hit clean, as @nik87 also said.

Thestaple of Luffy's fights involved him getting hit clean multiple times, in fights that span over several chapters.
You simply don't get hit clean by a swordsman of Shanks' caliber a 100 times, like how Kaido landed countless clean hits on Luffy. That would be a very strange fight, first of it's kind in OP for sure.

Kaido, the most durable character in the series so far, could at max handle like 5 of the attacks that Oden landed on him before going down. Lethality and attack power of top tier swordsmen are a thing.

Tell me can luffy EOS, be able to defeat shanks/mihawk on on full strenght fight or not?

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They can fight but they cant take hits.
Garp/Luffy can clash with a sword the same way they clash with a club.
The difference is when a clean hit connects.
That's why some of us have trouble seeing Luffy vs Shanks.

Garp and roger must have fought numerous times. Roger should have had landed a clean hit at least once. Why is garp still alive or atleast not got his limbs chopped off?

 

[nik87]

Garp and roger must have fought numerous times. Roger should have had landed a clean hit at least once. Why is garp still alive or atleast not got his limbs chopped off?

Off-paneled narrative. No reason to worry about Garp.
We will see what happens if it comes to Luffy vs Shanks or Luffy vs Zoro.

 

[Psychiatrist]

Off-paneled narrative. No reason to worry about Garp.
We will see what happens if it comes to Luffy vs Shanks or Luffy vs Zoro.

Kid was mutilated off panel. There is no such thing as lethality advantage between fighters of similar tier.

 

[nik87]

Kid was mutilated off panel. There is no such thing as lethality advantage between fighters of similar tier.

Spoiler: keep the children away

 

[Albino 👑]

He'll show off against kidd and kidd will show off against him

 

[Blother Fertitta]

All of them.

It is Shanks Saga. Old yonkos are over.

Now Shanks is taking over as MC

Luffy and Shanks will beat Imu with a combo attack, like in Film Red

People haven’t accepted this fact yet. Shanks is the MC now

 

[grey matter]

Tell me can luffy EOS, be able to defeat shanks/mihawk on on full strenght fight or not?

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Garp and roger must have fought numerous times. Roger should have had landed a clean hit at least once. Why is garp still alive or atleast not got his limbs chopped off?

Yes, because his haki and stats would've grown stronger to make up for what I mentioned.

He still wouldn't be taking several clean slashes from them tho, unless Oda makes Luffy be in a completely different league

 

[Psychiatrist]

Spoiler: keep the children away

I have said fighters of same tier. Law was no where near doflamingo level at that time.

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Yes, because his haki and stats would've grown stronger to make up for what I mentioned.

He still wouldn't be taking several clean slashes from them tho, unless Oda makes Luffy be in a completely different league

I just wanted to hear this. People here expect luffy to never be able to beat a swordsman, somehow.

 

[mimzymo93]

Shanks sees kid as a huge threat in which he feels the need to have every advantage possible with his entire fleet and giants, and oda is portraying shanks and kid as pirates that are on the same level. Shanks will be going all out and then eventually he will lose. shanks is not luffys enemy, they will not fight. Shanks fans only want luffy to fight him because they only care about powerscaling, some even want him to be a villain just because it would make him stronger. Those roles are for blackbeard and akainu, not shanks

What lmao. Shanks was already heading out somewher right before kidd popped out . And you really think a character of his importance is losing here to a kidd that's not even at his prime. Not. Even mentioning his backstory and how he gets to meet so casually with the gorosei that will clearly tie into some important plotline

 

[nik87]

I have said fighters of same tier. Law was no where near doflamingo level at that time.

Law was at that point above all YC2s while Doffy was YC1, overall same tier.
Oden and Kaido were same tier and did you see a lethality advantage?
Lethality managed to do what nobody else, aside from Zoro, managed to do to Kaido.

I just wanted to hear this. People here expect luffy to never be able to beat a swordsman, somehow.

Is it people here or Oda who keeps Luffy away from swordsmen for 1070+ chapters?
Why is Zoro created if Luffy can do it? You think Luffy will casually be able to achieve Zoro's dream?
Strawhats' dreams are created so that only them can achieve them, nobody else.

 

[uyuu]

People haven’t accepted this fact yet. Shanks is the MC now

Way too calm to be MC

 

[Kiiro]

Law was at that point above all YC2s while Doffy was YC1, overall same tier.
Oden and Kaido were same tier and did you see a lethality advantage?
Lethality managed to do what nobody else, aside from Zoro, managed to do to Kaido.


Is it people here or Oda who keeps Luffy away from swordsmen for 1070+ chapters?
Why is Zoro created if Luffy can do it? You think Luffy will casually be able to achieve Zoro's dream?
Strawhats' dreams are created so that only them can achieve them, nobody else.

Lethality is much better for sure.

But Doffy was toying with Law, so there can't be a tier of difference between them.

 

[nik87]

Lethality is much better for sure.

But Doffy was toying with Law, so there can't be a tier of difference between them.

Doffy was toying with Law because he is a much better fighter in CQC. Even Smoker has bested Law in CQC.

 

[Kiiro]

Doffy was toying with Law because he is a much better fighter in CQC. Even Smoker has bested Law in CQC.

And that is like 80% of One Piece fights? CqC.

His DF was also useless against Base Doffy... so?

We saw what a serious Doffy did to his arm.

 

[nik87]

And that is like 80% of One Piece fights? CqC.

His DF was also useless against Base Doffy... so?

We saw what a serious Doffy did to his arm.

That's just how it is when u rely too much on the Devil Fruit.
Law cant physically match Doffy nor as a fighter.
He has far better offensive capability but as you said, it is useless.
If it were to hit clean, it would beat Doffy. Problem is that he cant land it.

 

[Kiiro]

That's just how it is when u rely too much on the Devil Fruit.
Law cant physically match Doffy nor as a fighter.
He has far better offensive capability but as you said, it is useless.
If it were to hit clean, it would beat Doffy. Problem is that he cant land it.

And how do you call that? Look at Zoro, great AP that can badly damage Yonko's, but as a fighter was equal to King, a Yc1 or right hand. In a 1 vs 1, Zoro vs Kaido, Kaido has the greater base stats that will help him dodge and hit more than Zoro, so once again, Zoro's AP will be irrelevant. So how would you call that?

Example, Sugar vs Sanji. Sugar can 1 shot Sanji, but thanks to Sanji's superior stats, he will dodge and hit her as many times he wants, how would you call that?

Law was far lower than Doffy overall, reason his AP was useless. IMO what seperates a tier from an another, is their base stats. Example, Sanji vs his Dad, they seemed equal, both are high tier and then Sanji's Dad vs Big Mom, Big Mom outclassed Judge, since her base stats are just higher.

Queen vs Sanji and Queen vs Big Mom, etc.

 

[nik87]

And how do you call that? Look at Zoro, great AP that can badly damage Yonko's, but as a fighter was equal to King, a Yc1 or right hand. In a 1 vs 1, Zoro vs Kaido, Kaido has the greater base stats that will help him dodge and hit more than Zoro, so once again, Zoro's AP will be irrelevant. So how would you call that?

Example, Sugar vs Sanji. Sugar can 1 shot Sanji, but thanks to Sanji's superior stats, he will dodge and hit her as many times he wants, how would you call that?

Law was far lower than Doffy overall, reason his AP was useless. IMO what seperates a tier from an another, is their base stats. Example, Sanji vs his Dad, they seemed equal, both are high tier and then Sanji's Dad vs Big Mom, Big Mom outclassed Judge, since her base stats are just higher.

Queen vs Sanji and Queen vs Big Mom, etc.

You got it all wrong... Zoro's CQC is #1 in the whole world.
The reason why Zoro was stalled by King, is because King is invulnerable to damage.
Even invulnerability aside, King had great stats, comparable or better than Kaido.
His crew ranking can be YC4, it would not change his stats so dont be fooled by crew ranking.

In a 1vs1, it is Zoro who won the CQC, not Kaido. Kaido's stats werent good enough to keep up with Zoro.
Law isnt Sugar. Zoro isnt Sugar. Hax one shotters are not a good example here. Only Law's detaching is hax.
And it couldnt work because he couldnt land it on Doffy. He couldnt land even Gamma Knife without playing dead.

Law's offensive capabilities are above Doffy's but his CQC and physical stats are below.
Not all fighters are physical fighters. Shanks and Mihawk cannot compete with Kaido or even King in raw physical power.
They overcome that gap through haki. You literally saw physicals of base Luffy bridge the gap with hybrid Kaido through haki.
Comparing base physical stats of normal people to Kaido and Big Mom will never make them look good. You have to add haki.

 

[Kiiro]

You got it all wrong... Zoro's CQC is #1 in the whole world.
The reason why Zoro was stalled by King, is because King is invulnerable to damage.
Even invulnerability aside, King had great stats, comparable or better than Kaido.
His crew ranking can be YC4, it would not change his stats so dont be fooled by crew ranking.

In a 1vs1, it is Zoro who won the CQC, not Kaido. Kaido's stats werent good enough to keep up with Zoro.
Law isnt Sugar. Zoro isnt Sugar. Hax one shotters are not a good example here. Only Law's detaching is hax.
And it couldnt work because he couldnt land it on Doffy. He couldnt land even Gamma Knife without playing dead.

Law's offensive capabilities are above Doffy's but his CQC and physical stats are below.
Not all fighters are physical fighters. Shanks and Mihawk cannot compete with Kaido or even King in raw physical power.
They overcome that gap through haki. You literally saw physicals of base Luffy bridge the gap with hybrid Kaido through haki.
Comparing base physical stats of normal people to Kaido and Big Mom will never make them look good. You have to add haki.

What are we debating?

I just said that Doffy was far superior than Law. You said it was because CqC. We know that Law also is very great at CqC, he was trained by everyone from Donquixote Crew.

Be it CqC, DF, haki, Doffy was far superior. Reason I said it can't be just one tier.