Current Events Alliance will lose this round

[Jo_Ndule]

People have been fooled with Hyou and Zoro statements about "winning side"

People still spam the same argument "if they lose, they will die"
Seriously this is a flawed logic since we know Luffy ,kidd and law won't die even if they lose to Rocks duo or kaido alone.
Strawhats won't ever die now.

Remember Tea Party? Cacao Island? Yeah we thought alliance was done for but then... oda kept saving them.

The alliance will lose this round:

• Because there's no way they can beat kaido alone, let alone Both emperors . Just look at how kaido soloed 9 strong dudes and floating the island casually.
• Hawkins predictions are yet to be fulfilled, 2 more weeks left
• BM won't betray Kaido now, it's not yet time
• A 3rd party needs to come: Navy + SSG or Teach or CP

Wano will be devastated after Onigashima is dropped
SNs will fight for their survival for the next 2 weeks ---> 19% chances of survival that Hawkins predicted
Main Battles will happen all over Wano : Udon , Ringo, Kuri etc...
This is where and when Marines will show up to give alliance chances to winning.
The main fight between Kaido and SNs will be at onigashima (flower capital)

 

[HA001]

Imagine thinking odas gonna kill off a load of wanos populace.

 

[Fallen Prince]

I can see the defeat at current situation untill marines arrive in wano.

I dont see how they will win the war without marines.

 

[Fuckthis3]

I know you want the powerscaling to make sense but PowerScaling wont beat plot

 

[Fallen Prince]

I know you want the powerscaling to make sense but PowerScaling wont beat plot

If oda wants kaido defeated he can bring dead rocks alive.
To be fair i am realistic because one piece powerscaling is bad , this fight is going to be most toxic thing on the forum. I d say be on guard we will see hate posts incoming weeks.

 

[Finalbeta]

Alliance may fail to defeat Big Mom in the worst case scenario and that's on merely the fact Katakuri had foreshadowed Luffy's return to WCI by asking Luffy whether or not he would return to take care of Big Mom.

For now Kaido going down is a very likely scenario going by how the story derailed.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

I know you want the powerscaling to make sense but PowerScaling wont beat plot

Plot demands them to lose , and not win yet

It's a war ,which is meant to surpass MF war
Yet where the casualties so far? Facing a yonko or 2 emperors seems like a joke

Let wano be devastated and let the tension rise
Make alliance lose badly

 

[Worst]

Yea i agree, it would be a miracle if Luffy + Kidd + Law + Zoro could stall Kaido OR Big Mom, but Kaido AAND Big Mom? Not gonna happen they're gonna be fucked.....not to mentio thant we didn't even saw Kaido's Hybrid form yet.....

 

[Patryipe]

So what happens in your opinion? The entire alliance gets locked up in Udon for two weeks?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Btw
Kaido can't fall without the presence of a reporter or Navy.
Especially if there are no marines around... everytime a Great Pirate lost or fell, there was Navy around :
God Valley : Xebec fell with Navy being present
Edd War : Shiki vs Roger and Navy was present
MF War : WB fell... at Navy's HQ

There's no way Navy would be kept away from witnessing Kaido's downfall or partaking in it.
If there is no reporter or navy around, Alliance members will not get credits as they should.

Navy was there at PH , even Absalom was around PH and DR
Fujitora and Navy didn't fight Doffy but witnessed his defeat
Morgans wasn't there when Cracker fell but was present to witness the 2 most important events : Tea party and Katakuri's defeat.

Same way , Navy wasn't there before or during the raid but will be there in act 4 after the raid fails, they will be the reasons why alliance get chances to strike back

Admirals (Admiral level guys) were there whenever Great pirates fought each other or other pirates... Wano won't be different.

Even when you look at past saga about DR, Fuji was the main admiral but Tsuru and Sengoku who had a history with Doffy and Law, showed up at the end. Tsuru got finally her chance to capture Doffy While Sengoku finally got the chance to see the boy that Roxinante saved.

We know Kizaru has a past with SNs and was hinted to come. Garp will surely be present since has history with Rocks, and Akainu might tag along too.

Garp > God Valley
Sengoku (Garp & Tsuru also took part) > Edd War
Logia Admirals (Sengoku and Garp were also present) > MF war
Fuji (Tsuru & Sengoku came at the end) > DR
Kizaru and Garp + ? Akainu? > Wano War

Garp has been present everytime Rocks is involved, so wano isn't different.

Akainu and Kizaru will come since they are more written to fight active NW pirates unlike GB and Fuji whose plots revolve around Warlords & Revos.
GB + Sengoku + Tsuru will be defending the HQ while Fuji hunts warlords.

So yeah,

• Navy is yet to come,
• Yamato is yet to confront Kaido and make her final statement ,
• Hawkins predictions
• Kaido is yet to get flashbacks even.

Dont expect much from raid to succeed
This is the same like "full moon and Avenging Oden" so Retainers shouldn't lose to Kaido since it will be repetitive , if they do then Kaido must cheat. "
Same thing here " they cant lose or they'll be killed" " kaido will cheat"

As long there's no WG around, the chances of Kaido fallig are slim.
Moriah will also come with Teach... oda won't let moriah miss this chance just like Crocodile and Teach were there to witness Newgate's downfall .
Pirates and Marines who got a beef/history with a Great Pirate will be around when he/she falls.

 

[Rekien]

1-Marines are busy with the shichibukai, not to mention theres something going on with Sabo and Vivi, highly doubt they will ever touch Wano.
2-People just wank Kaido too damn much, its not healthy, if he was all that he wouldnt be needing to ally with BM to take over the world, not to mention Shanks was able to make him flee back to Wano when he wanted to participate in the marineford war.
3-The fight in the roof will likely be interrupted or something will happen that will separate the fighters up top, yes, thats a given considering theres 2 more acts to go, even if act 5 will probably just be the aftermath, but that dosent mean the raid itself will fail. The capital might be fucked tho, hell the island falling on top of it will probably be the tragedy that will end act 3 AND stop the fight momentarely.
4-9 strong fighters? They were not weak, but come on, not all 9 up there where on the same level, and all 9 up there are DEFINELY not even near the level of some people in the roof right now.
5-Fuck hawkings and his predictions. If his predictions where that great Law wouldnt be able to fuck him over with X-Drake's help.

 

[Irregular]

1-Marines are busy with the shichibukai,

Shanks was busy with Kaido

 

[Rekien]

Shanks was busy with Kaido

And he was late af, wasnt he? Plus he didnt had to worry about finding some giant fish to climb some waterfall, nor did he had to deal with a portion of a Yonko's crew that was also trying to climb said waterfall.

 

[Irregular]

And he was late af, wasnt he? Plus he didnt had to worry about finding some giant fish to climb some waterfall, nor did he had to deal with a portion of a Yonko's crew that was also trying to climb said waterfall.

Anyway. I've been reading OP 10+ years and i can tell you that no one expected Shanks during MF using your arguments. It is Oda. If he wants everything may happen.

 

[spawn]

Plot demands them to lose , and not win yet

The plot absolutely doesn't demand them to lose, you demand them to lose. It's different.

It's a war ,which is meant to surpass MF war

Wano isn't the war that was supposed to surpass Marineford, that's the final war.

 

[BangOO🍅]

"Wano will make Marineford looks cute"
so yes, Alliance will lose round 1 and Onigashima will landed on Wano.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Some of the fighters on the rooftop may indeed lose until maybe others arrive but they are not losing.
This is the endgame, marines aren't coming. Plus there is Drake who is a marine to witness, help and report what he saw. Maybe even some CP0 members.

There is no point for just Kaido and Big Mom to win when it's most likely that King, Queen and the Tobi Roppo are going to be defeated.

So they are winning with maybe other fighters like Yamato and I don't know who else are coming to the rooftop after Law, Killer and Kidd fall.

 

[Rekien]

Anyway. I've been reading OP 10+ years and i can tell you that no one expected Shanks during MF using your arguments. It is Oda. If he wants everything may happen.

Soo, do you know how long i have been watching reading this?Lmao and even if i had caugh up yesterday, how would that be relevant? I am giving reasons why i disagree with OP, what everyone types in this forum is their oppinion. Saying X can happen because Oda can make it happen is a pretty damn terrible argument though, even if it does end up happen, saying you "predicted" it when you cant give a single reason why you think it should happen, and in fact theres evidence to suppord said thing will likely NOT happen dosent make you smart, it is just a wild lucky guess.

 

[zzShinichi]

We are not spending 90 chapters into Wano only for the Alliance to lose again and having to spend another 90 chapters. Kaidou is going down right here, right now. Big Mom is still a big question mark. The tide of the battles will obviously be shifted constantly, but the outcome of the war will be conclusive.

 

[Ricassian]

Too late for losing now, Kaido will go down here for sure. The only variable is Big Mom but imo something will happen with her and my guesses are:
- Tottoland gets assaulted and she has to flee from Onigashima
- Caribou somehow reveals to her about Poseidon and heads for Fishman Island
- She attempts to conquer Elbaf

These are options for the closure of her story if she isn't defeated here, anyway she'll fall next arc at most