Current Events Alliance will lose this round

[Bil02]

I too think the alliance are losing at some point, Oda is the only one who knows how he is going to pull it off though.

The capital is also getting destroyed at some point,Oda has yet to show us why the Big Mom-Beast pirate alliance is the most fearsome of the sea,feared even by the Marines.

The marines will also come at some point despite all what they said(people remember Marco?) so the arc is very far from finished and Luffy and Co must taste defeat before that.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

No Zoro will kill Kaido and Luffy will K.O Big Mom

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Some of the fighters on the rooftop may indeed lose until maybe others arrive but they are not losing.
This is the endgame, marines aren't coming. Plus there is Drake who is a marine to witness, help and report what he saw. Maybe even some CP0 members.

There is no point for just Kaido and Big Mom to win when it's most likely that King, Queen and the Tobi Roppo are going to be defeated.

So they are winning with maybe other fighters like Yamato and I don't know who else are coming to the rooftop after Law, Killer and Kidd fall.

Imagine believing Nacy won't come

Garp and Kizaru won't come

Rocks pirates falling without Navy being around to witness or fight them.

You guys really think it takes Only Worstgen presence to see Kaido fall? Especially when BM is allies to him right now?

This isn't endgame... Wano still has 50 chapters left
Navy are already done chasing Warlords when act 3 ends...we will see Navy coming to Wano

Main battles will happen on Wano not on Onigashima.

 

[Bil02]

Too late for losing now, Kaido will go down here for sure. The only variable is Big Mom but imo something will happen with her and my guesses are:
- Tottoland gets assaulted and she has to flee from Onigashima
- Caribou somehow reveals to her about Poseidon and heads for Fishman Island
- She attempts to conquer Elbaf

These are options for the closure of her story if she isn't defeated here, anyway she'll fall next arc at most

I think we are underestimating how long this arc will be.
We may be here for months in verse,remember Hawkins' prediction?

Kaido will also need to be defeated before Onigashima lands in the flower capital and we know they are not far off each other.

The prophecy also didn't mention Big Mom's defeat and we know she is fighting the Sn currently which means either she betrays Kaido right now(doubtful as she doesn't know where is the Road poneglyph) or she helps fight the 5 Sn and Luffy and Co get clapped as we have yet to see why their alliance is the most fearsome in the world.

Whatever happens next,I'm sure Oda is going to hype the Kaido-Big Mom alliance and they are going to turn the tables on the current battle flow.
Whoever ends up saving the lives of Luffy and co is still up in the air.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Imagine believing Nacy won't come

Garp and Kizaru won't come

Rocks pirates falling without Navy being around to witness or fight them.

You guys really think it takes Only Worstgen presence to see Kaido fall? Especially when BM is allies to him right now?

This isn't endgame... Wano still has 50 chapters left
Navy are already done chasing Warlords when act 3 ends...we will see Navy coming to Wano

Main battles will happen on Wano not on Onigashima.

If Garp and Kizaru come, then there is nothing left for the new gen, what are they going to do? Watch marines fight?
Onigashima will be on Wano so it doesn't really matter where the fight ends, the people of Wano will see the end of it.

Rocks is over too.
This is an alliance between Big Mom and Kaido against an alliance between members of the worst gen.

 

[Fujishiro]

If Garp and Kizaru come, then there is nothing left for the new gen, what are they going to do? Watch marines fight?
Onigashima will be on Wano so it doesn't really matter where the fight ends, the people of Wano will see the end of it.

Rocks is over too.
This is an alliance between Big Mom and Kaido against an alliance between members of the worst gen.

The alliance of BM and Kaido isnt specifically against this alliance but yes, idk how things can work now with the Kaido making Onigashima fly thing.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

The alliance of BM and Kaido isnt specifically against this alliance but yes, idk how things can work now with the Kaido making Onigashima fly thing.

They are going at each other because of circumstances, but yeah the yonko alliance weren't meant for the worst gen and Luffy and Kidd aren't exactly in an alliance but they will fight side by side.
Actually I think in the beginning they might get in the way of each other but will eventually understand that they need to fight together.

 

[Fujishiro]

They are going at each other because of circumstances, but yeah the yonko alliance weren't meant for the worst gen and Luffy and Kidd aren't exactly in an alliance but they will fight side by side.
Actually I think in the beginning they might get in the way of each other but will eventually understand that they need to fight together.

Aye, i could see that to be honest.

 

[Irregular]

Soo, do you know how long i have been watching reading this?Lmao and even if i had caugh up yesterday, how would that be relevant? I am giving reasons why i disagree with OP, what everyone types in this forum is their oppinion. Saying X can happen because Oda can make it happen is a pretty damn terrible argument though, even if it does end up happen, saying you "predicted" it when you cant give a single reason why you think it should happen, and in fact theres evidence to suppord said thing will likely NOT happen dosent make you smart, it is just a wild lucky guess.

I'm just saying "they're busy" is untenable argument. I don't know will the navy come to Wano or not.

 

[Ricassian]

I think we are underestimating how long this arc will be.
We may be here for months in verse,remember Hawkins' prediction?

Kaido will also need to be defeated before Onigashima lands in the flower capital and we know they are not far off each other.

The prophecy also didn't mention Big Mom's defeat and we know she is fighting the Sn currently which means either she betrays Kaido right now(doubtful as she doesn't know where is the Road poneglyph) or she helps fight the 5 Sn and Luffy and Co get clapped as we have yet to see why their alliance is the most fearsome in the world.

Whatever happens next,I'm sure Oda is going to hype the Kaido-Big Mom alliance and they are going to turn the tables on the current battle flow.
Whoever ends up saving the lives of Luffy and co is still up in the air.

If I'm not wrong a month already passed in Wano (or at least 3 weeks), I can see some days passing but would be days of war. We'll not have another start of Raid etc...
I don't think that Kaido will be defeated before the landing (would be too fast), Onigashima fall will probably be deviated somehow and not land on the Flower Capital but near there (still on Wano tho)
I agree on the omitted mention of Big Mom, it's hard to decypher her future

Btw the shadows from the prophecy were supposed to appear at the down after the night of the Fire Festival? Cause that way the possibilties of a war prolonged for some days start burning away

 

[Luffy is the mc]

If I'm not wrong a month already passed in Wano (or at least 3 weeks), I can see some days passing but would be days of war. We'll not have another start of Raid etc...
I don't think that Kaido will be defeated before the landing (would be too fast), Onigashima fall will probably be deviated somehow and not land on the Flower Capital but near there (still on Wano tho)
I agree on the omitted mention of Big Mom, it's hard to decypher her future

Btw the shadows from the prophecy were supposed to appear at the down after the night of the Fire Festival? Cause that way the possibilties of a war prolonged for some days start burning away

Actually Hawkins predictions don't really matter because he's going to have them all wrong.
Predicted that they had more chances of being dead after one month, they'll be alive and celebrating their victory.
Predicted that someone has 99% of chances to die, that person will be safe and sound at the end of the war.
He probably already looked who will win the war, since he's still with the Beast pirates and snitching on Drake, I guess he predicted that the Yonko will win eventually. Wrong again.

 

[Enma]

Argument with "Navy must witness this" is flawed when you have Drake running around. Or possibly CP-0. But for real, they either win or die, not ifs or buts.

 

[Bil02]

If I'm not wrong a month already passed in Wano (or at least 3 weeks), I can see some days passing but would be days of war. We'll not have another start of Raid etc...
I don't think that Kaido will be defeated before the landing (would be too fast), Onigashima fall will probably be deviated somehow and not land on the Flower Capital but near there (still on Wano tho)
I agree on the omitted mention of Big Mom, it's hard to decypher her future

Btw the shadows from the prophecy were supposed to appear at the down after the night of the Fire Festival? Cause that way the possibilties of a war prolonged for some days start burning away

Only 2 weeks passed since the start of the arc because Kinemon was telling Luffy and Co in chapter 920(which is still the day Luffy arrived) that the raid will happen in 2 weeks,day of he fire festival.

Days of war can pass but Oda has yet to show us why even the marines were fearing Kaido and Big Mom's alliance. So either Oda is doing a poor job at portraying his arc villains or he will be turning the tables very soon with Kaido and Big mom's side on the verge of winning before some weird outside intervention.
For Onigashima not landing on flower capital, Onigashima island will need to be destroyed by some on the roof(Law,Zoro,Luffy???) but the capital can still land there and be the tragedy of this act killing many.
For the 9 shadows,I don't remember Toki talking about them appearing in the night of the fire festival,just that they will appear 20 years later.
Were there even Fire festivals at Toki's time?

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Argument with "Navy must witness this" is flawed when you have Drake running around. Or possibly CP-0. But for real, they either win or die, not ifs or buts.

People complaining about the scabbards being alive but somehow want the alliance to lose and stay alive

 

[Extravlad]

Yes yes Wano will last another 100 chapters even though Oda wants to end One Piece in 5 years and has said Shanks will move in 2021

Yankers need to stop with the wank

 

[Dragomir]

Quite literally the entirety of Wano has been built up for this moment: the Worst Generation to take down Kaido and Big Mom. This battle is the focal point of this arc. It's the climax. There's simply no way in hell that they're going to lose here. All that buildup would have been for nothing. A second-round would not be anything interesting at all to witness. This is a boom or bust moment. SOMEBODY finna be dying and if the alliance is taking an L then they won't survive. Therefore, they will win.

 

[Irregular]

2 big reasons why the navy may come:

1. We need an explanation. How did Vegapunk create Kaido's fruit? Explanations will be given when the type of Kaido fruit is revealed to us.

2. A whole village is sick because of smiles. Who can heal them? This requires knowledge from the area of devil fruits.
Chopper, Marco and Law cannot do this

 

[HA001]

2 big reasons why the navy may come:

1. We need an explanation. How did Vegapunk create the Kaido's fruit? Explanations will be given when the type of Kaido fruit is revealed to us.

2. A whole village is sick because of smiles. Who can heal them? This requires knowledge from the area of devil fruits.
Chopper, Marco and Law cannot do this

The navy isnt coming.
The navy wouldnt just leave luffy alone and the arc has to end in a feast with wano opening its borders.

 

[Constantine]

@Jo_Ndule Any particular reason why u chose Garp and Borsalino? I think Wanos a good place to debut Greenbull

 

[Jo_Ndule]

@Jo_Ndule Any particular reason why u chose Garp and Borsalino? I think Wanos a good place to debut Greenbull

I also believe GB might come but

Kizaru is the Admiral who has a history with SNs
Kizaru also is the one who suggested himself to stop BM and Kaido

Garp has been involved in every battle that had Rocks pirates as Main Men.
I also believe Garp needs to die at the hands of Linlin or at least retire after witnessing Rocks Era has finally ended with BM and kaido gone
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Quite literally the entirety of Wano has been built up for this moment: the Worst Generation to take down Kaido and Big Mom. This battle is the focal point of this arc. It's the climax. There's simply no way in hell that they're going to lose here. All that buildup would have been for nothing. A second-round would not be anything interesting at all to witness. This is a boom or bust moment. SOMEBODY finna be dying and if the alliance is taking an L then they won't survive. Therefore, they will win.

This argument is whatever you guys repeat every arc
If Luffy/alliances loses ..they won't survive

No the will survive, Oda already said it they will have 19% chances of survival via

How can you doubt Luffy and co surviving when Luffy (after losing haki) survived and ran away from Linlin, Pero and Co !!!
Here Luffy has enough help to survive and escape after losing.

The build up is about Kaido falling to Worstgen
Oden and co never mentioned beating Linlin. That's where Oden prophecy stops , it doesn't include BMP.
While Hawkins predictions includes whatever Luffy will go through in wano arc.