General & Others Are Mythical Zoans Class truly the Most rare?..

#44
Well really, it was probably just Oda himself. And I think we already know the Gorosei don´t have DF.
I think Gorosei have DFs, but some power come from Imu. If only the Gorosei had powers, ok, but even Shamrock's sword, even the Qilin, who isn't even a demon? Too many to be personally gifted by Imu even at "random" HK. I think all those are fruits.

Recently we came to know that this "abyss" is a mark through which Imu (?) can give some kind of powers. I think teleportation, immortality and telepathy come from that (kind of a devil bargain, as Imu=devil), but the creatures are fruits.
 
#46
Special paramecia is the most rare, the one and only
There's no special paramacia as far as I remember, oda meant it as Logia but made a mistake and corrected it later with " Special Paramacia " this is no class actually. It should be counter in paramacia only
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It seems like there are technically more Mythical Zoans in the series than Logias.. Considering that there are
at least 5 '' God '' devil fruits in the One Piece world with Luffy..

1- Azure Dragon(Kaido)
2- Pheonix(Marco)
3- Buddha(Sengoku)
4- Nika(Luffy)(1st God)
5- Kitsune(Katarina)
6- Pegasus(Stonger)
7- Yamata no Orochi
8- Big Monk Yokai(Onimaru)
9- Okuchi no Makami(Yamato)

10- Kirin(Killingham)
11- Imu's Mythical Fruit(2nd God)
12- Loki's Mythical Fruit(3rd God?)

13- 4th God
14- 5th God

So even if you don't accept Killingham in the list for he might be from Imu's powers like the Gorosei and Shamrock's Sword..
There would still be 13 Mythical Devil Fruit in the series more or less depending if Loki's one is a God or not.. So just for the sake of the argument there's 1 more Mythical Devil Fruits than there are Logias as seen right below..

1- Smoke
2- Sand
3- Lightning
4- Ice
5- Magma
6- Darkness
7- Light
8- Soot
9- Swamp
10- Gas
11- Fire
12- Forest
13- Snow
You're making stuff up lol.
Logia - 13
Mythical- 12.
Wano was the main problem or else , Mythical Zoan were really rare.
 
#48
Gorosei and shamrock don't have DFs imo. They are abilities given by imu.
Imho, it's like this:

I think Gorosei have DFs, but some power come from Imu. If only the Gorosei had powers, ok, but even Shamrock's sword, even the Qilin, who isn't even a demon? Too many to be personally gifted by Imu even at "random" HK. I think all those are fruits.

Recently we came to know that this "abyss" is a mark through which Imu (?) can give some kind of powers. I think teleportation, immortality and telepathy come from that (kind of a devil bargain, as Imu=devil), but the creatures are fruits.
Not to mention, narratively it would be super-lame and really hypocritical: "look, there are this powers that look like myhticals and act like mythicaks, with hybrid and all... but are not mythicals! They are only just like them". He would basically introduce more myhticals only saying those aren't mythicals just for the sake of numbers.

I doubt Oda expected to introduce this many mythical Zoans when he said that back in Marineford.
Seems like he is running out of elements for Logia class while there is no end in sight for mythical Zoans.
Unless he nullifies every ability of WG troops into being a manifestation of Imu's power instead of DFs themselves.
Which was to be expected, or was a "dumb" choice in the first place: there are much more mythical creatures than natural elements in the truest sense.
Furthmere, Mythicals are very good and very easy to use. Give a character a mythical zoan, and it's already kind of unique.

About the last part, what i said before: having Imu's power explain it all would be super-lame and really hypocritical: "look, there are this powers that look like myhticals and act like mythicaks, with hybrid and all... but are not mythicals! They are only just like them". He would basically introduce more myhticals only saying those aren't mythicals just for the sake of numbers.
 
#49
I think we're seeing a lot of them now since Imu's DF is likely a mythical zoan and Oda wants to establish it as something the highest caste of the WG has an affinity for. Mythical Zoans being the rarest in the world could be because the CDs are so intent on hoarding them for themselves. A few slipped through the cracks but in Luffy's case, they even had their sights set on his fruit too.
 

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#50
About the last part, what i said before: having Imu's power explain it all would be super-lame and really hypocritical: "look, there are this powers that look like myhticals and act like mythicaks, with hybrid and all... but are not mythicals! They are only just like them". He would basically introduce more myhticals only saying those aren't mythicals just for the sake of numbers.
Yep pretty much, would be a dumb decision.
I think they are just regular DFs but who knows...
 
#54
Wow Caribou and Monet logia stocks in the mud, Fujitora isn't even a logia neither Sengpku, neither Imu (lol) what are you gonna say about them
None of them have logia awakening

I'm not comparing basic logias to basic CoC
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How have you been reading the manga? With an eye closed?

there are 15-20 coc users, in a world of billions, and the 15 obviously meet at the top.
There are 1200+ named characters in one piece.

thats 1%, now immagine the whole world. Your argument is invalid.
How many awakened logias tho

Oda hasn't showed us even one yet
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Logia awakening if it existed,
We would se it shown or mentioned already
Stupid logic

Why does Oda have to reveal a special ability so early in the series
 
#55
None of them have logia awakening

I'm not comparing basic logias to basic CoC
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How many awakened logias tho

Oda hasn't showed us even one yet
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Stupid logic

Why does Oda have to reveal a special ability so early in the series
It doesn't mean anything, they will be only as strong as the character is meant to be, Katakuri was originally a logia and awakened, until it got changed later on because mochi isn't found in nature to special paramecia.
 
#56
It doesn't mean anything, they will be only as strong as the character is meant to be, Katakuri was originally a logia and awakened, until it got changed later on because mochi isn't found in nature to special paramecia.
Quit comparing special paramecia to logias schizo

Vegapunk never said "special paramecia" here
 
#57
It doesn't mean anything, they will be only as strong as the character is meant to be, Katakuri was originally a logia and awakened, until it got changed later on because mochi isn't found in nature to special paramecia.
Even if, I think Oda made a really big deal out of Awakening mostly from Wano onward.
Before they were very strong, but they were not a game changer.

I think he "upgraded" them as he created advCoC and CoA.
 
#58
The best we've seen of Logia awakening:


One hit of the best Paramecia possibly outside awakening:


Best hit from another Paramecia:


Logias are great. Their awakenings are gonna be crazy, but they're not this out of the world abilities that some of us pretend they are. Katakuri already gave us a glimpse of how logia awakenings are gonna be.
Difference is that the climate transforming effect likely took place as a mere side effect similar to Ace stopping the snow in Drum and GB growing hectares wide forests just by walking by. It's more likely than not just a passive that every logia fruit unlocks upon awakening and who knows what else logia awakening has in store.
On the other hand you have the strongest attacks from 2 of the by far most powerful paramecias there are, while AP/DC also is the Gura no mi's only use and while a Puncture Wille of that magnitude needs a good amount of charge up time.

And Kuri is still no logia. Oda won't give him the logia set, if he ain't one. For example he never showed an avatar form or that passive terrain transformation. Two abilities that are already canon logia abilities.

I agree that not every logia is going to have that amount of DC and power, but overall it seems like that upon awakening every logia fruit will atleast become (very) powerful.
It likely makes already busted fruits op, strong fruits busted and weak(er) fruits very strong.
You cannot say the same for the other DF classes. Most of these fruits are still ass even upon awakening.
 
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