Current Events Beast Pirates Haki Problem
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Thats just how Oda does things now, now we wait for the Vivre cards about the F6 and Calamities, confirming they use CoO and CoA, despite these things never being shown in the actual manga, but its just there.
Im sure Sasaki uses haki too, Ulti and Page One either, i think Oda didn't want to show us compared to Who's Who because Jinbei is a more "special" as fighter, just as Who's Who supposed to be a rival to Lucci fighting an Warlord of the Sea, if Jinbei was using haki, Oda needed to show Who's Who using haki too for the sake of the whole fight being good, focusing in the smallest details and showing all of their capabilities.
Cracker used haki on his Biscuit Soldiers, and it wasn't black or anything, compared to Luffy's hands who were hitting it with the "Black Hardening" throughout the whole fight, and Cracker's haki was showcased as pretty decent.
I hope to see Sanji and Queen using haki, if Zoro fights King, i expect that too. Otherwise we can just accept that Oda just doesn't care about those things anymore.
Im sure Sasaki uses haki too, Ulti and Page One either, i think Oda didn't want to show us compared to Who's Who because Jinbei is a more "special" as fighter, just as Who's Who supposed to be a rival to Lucci fighting an Warlord of the Sea, if Jinbei was using haki, Oda needed to show Who's Who using haki too for the sake of the whole fight being good, focusing in the smallest details and showing all of their capabilities.
Cracker used haki on his Biscuit Soldiers, and it wasn't black or anything, compared to Luffy's hands who were hitting it with the "Black Hardening" throughout the whole fight, and Cracker's haki was showcased as pretty decent.
I hope to see Sanji and Queen using haki, if Zoro fights King, i expect that too. Otherwise we can just accept that Oda just doesn't care about those things anymore.
Taste is a very SUBJECTIVE thing, what you will like depend on your knowledge and experience. For example, if you've never read or watched any movie/story in your life, then anything, literally anything would fill like masterpiece. The more you've read and experienced, the higher your standards for a story, you can immediately see the mistakes, cliche tropes, plot convinces etc. Plus, I have a literary "education" (although unofficially, it's an internet education) makes it harder to enjoy since I can easily pinpoint an author's mistake or bad decision on the spot. While I can list the reasons–although not all–it is not going to change your or my opinion on this matter.
I'm not talking about these mistakes, these mistakes are indeed small, I'm talking about absurdly huge mistakes in character writing, plot building, story progression etc.
I'm not talking about these mistakes, these mistakes are indeed small, I'm talking about absurdly huge mistakes in character writing, plot building, story progression etc.
Taste is a very SUBJECTIVE thing, what you will like depend on your knowledge and experience. For example, if you've never read or watched any movie/story in your life, then anything, literally anything would fill like masterpiece. The more you've read and experienced, the higher your standards for a story, you can immediately see the mistakes, cliche tropes, plot convinces etc. Plus, I have a literary "education" (although unofficially, it's an internet education) makes it harder to enjoy since I can easily pinpoint an author's mistake or bad decision on the spot. While I can list the reasons–although not all–it is not going to change your or my opinion on this matter.
I'm not talking about these mistakes, these mistakes are indeed small, I'm talking about absurdly huge mistakes in character writing, plot building, story progression etc.
I'm not talking about these mistakes, these mistakes are indeed small, I'm talking about absurdly huge mistakes in character writing, plot building, story progression etc.
Yes, basically it should be because of this.
They are not very proeficient with Haki, maybe, or their Haki lvl is low and does not boost a significant amount their AP and durability unlike it does their DF.
If I remember correctly, Ulti for example only used CoA in her human form when he clashed with Luffy, but after that, she didn't bother.
And Queen for example fights with technology combined with his DF. King probably is a swordsman, or he uses fire alongside his fruit.
After all, where Haki is most needed is for countering some cheat abilities, which are rare, but Zoan fruits are much more practical than Armament since it boosts your stats +X instantly, without any need to train it, and it does not spends stamina to stay in Zoan form for what we know unlike with Haki. To achieve the same boost +X with CoA, one will need to train it for some years.
They are not very proeficient with Haki, maybe, or their Haki lvl is low and does not boost a significant amount their AP and durability unlike it does their DF.
If I remember correctly, Ulti for example only used CoA in her human form when he clashed with Luffy, but after that, she didn't bother.
And Queen for example fights with technology combined with his DF. King probably is a swordsman, or he uses fire alongside his fruit.
After all, where Haki is most needed is for countering some cheat abilities, which are rare, but Zoan fruits are much more practical than Armament since it boosts your stats +X instantly, without any need to train it, and it does not spends stamina to stay in Zoan form for what we know unlike with Haki. To achieve the same boost +X with CoA, one will need to train it for some years.
Well, I'll try to be as brief as possible in order to not drag this for too long for both of us.
1. Originally, the strowhats (and I mean the original 4 members) were based on classical archetypes.
Each character had its own perks and features that made them who they were.
And obviously the gags...
But in post-timskip Oda decided to change their characters in order to show the changes during two years timskip. But, there were two problems with that. First, Oda made those changes without actually showing the timskip (outside of small flashbacks) which made it too sudden and unjustified. Second, Oda did it in order to make strowhats more a fanservice motirial then an actuall characters. So, what happened?
Luffy: from slightly naive to retarded, I mean completely brain dead. From responsible to absurdly irresponsible, now Luffy is amongst the most irresponsible characters in one piece alongside characters like Caesar Clown.
Zoro: from slightly irresponsible to very irresponsible (although not as much as Luffy), from mildly rude to insultingly rude, from little bit on the edge to falling from the edge, from loyal to slave.
Nami: from cute to lewd, from mildly narcissistic to extremely narcissistic, from devious to malicious.
Ussop: he didn't change much outside of his design.
Sanji: from chivalrous to servant, from slightly perverted to sexual harassment, from smart to dumb, from kindhearted to angel, from wise to martyr, from responsible to slightly irresponsible.
That's a small sum of what has led to post-timskip outcomes. But the biggest issues that I have with post-timskip are WCI and Wano. These two arcs singlehandedly destroyed one piece with Wano being the last nail on the coffin. Wano and WCI is a completey different topic on its own, and I've covered them extensively in my posts and threads, I might collect them together and create one single thread after Wano.
1. Originally, the strowhats (and I mean the original 4 members) were based on classical archetypes.
- Luffy=King archetype
- Zoro=warrior archetype
- Nami=lover archetype
- Ussop=rebel archetype (although Usopp actually combines multiple archetypes)
- Sanji=wizard/magician archetype
Each character had its own perks and features that made them who they were.
- Luffy was slightly naive "some times little bit dumb," courageous, responsible (and yes, Luffy was responsible back then), wise like he was in Alabasta, kindhearted etc.
- Zoro was brave (as a true warrior should be) slightly irresponsible, mildly rude, little bit on the edge, loyal etc.
- Nami was cute, kindhearted, mildly narcissistic, smart and devious etc.
- Ussop was genuinely funny, smart, kindhearted, tricky
- Sanji was chivalrous, smart, very kindhearted, very wise, very responsible, calculateive, loyal etc.
And obviously the gags...
- Luffy=dumb
- Zoro=topographical cretinism
- Nami=narcissistic
- Ussop=slightly cwordness
- Sanji=slightly perverted
But in post-timskip Oda decided to change their characters in order to show the changes during two years timskip. But, there were two problems with that. First, Oda made those changes without actually showing the timskip (outside of small flashbacks) which made it too sudden and unjustified. Second, Oda did it in order to make strowhats more a fanservice motirial then an actuall characters. So, what happened?
Luffy: from slightly naive to retarded, I mean completely brain dead. From responsible to absurdly irresponsible, now Luffy is amongst the most irresponsible characters in one piece alongside characters like Caesar Clown.
Zoro: from slightly irresponsible to very irresponsible (although not as much as Luffy), from mildly rude to insultingly rude, from little bit on the edge to falling from the edge, from loyal to slave.
Nami: from cute to lewd, from mildly narcissistic to extremely narcissistic, from devious to malicious.
Ussop: he didn't change much outside of his design.
Sanji: from chivalrous to servant, from slightly perverted to sexual harassment, from smart to dumb, from kindhearted to angel, from wise to martyr, from responsible to slightly irresponsible.
That's a small sum of what has led to post-timskip outcomes. But the biggest issues that I have with post-timskip are WCI and Wano. These two arcs singlehandedly destroyed one piece with Wano being the last nail on the coffin. Wano and WCI is a completey different topic on its own, and I've covered them extensively in my posts and threads, I might collect them together and create one single thread after Wano.
I found very attractive . Before collecting , if you link wcı and wano post , ı can read.
And ı gues problem stem from very big word. and oda cannot focus strawhat.
As simple example , Laws cool and strategy side totally remind me before time skip sanji . Just like Oda stole sanjis this side and integrated with Law. Like I will become pirate king thing, Ceaser constantly said that ı will become king of scientist. straw hats character properties stole and gave one character.d
And ı gues problem stem from very big word. and oda cannot focus strawhat.
As simple example , Laws cool and strategy side totally remind me before time skip sanji . Just like Oda stole sanjis this side and integrated with Law. Like I will become pirate king thing, Ceaser constantly said that ı will become king of scientist. straw hats character properties stole and gave one character.d
They're still relatively the same as they were before and the small changes to their characters happened on screen pre ts.
Don't know how Luffy is somehow LESS responsible post ts. After his decision to split up the crew in dressrosa, how he handle the situations given during WCI, learning to run when he cant face his opponents but standing his ground when the alternatives are stacked against his allies (Doflamingo, Katakuri, Kaido). How is that any more brain dead than him trying to take down a warlord, admiral or infiltrating any of the three WG facilities? He was always like this not because he was irresponsible on either cases but because he always took the higher risk sometimes for himself but mostly or eventually for the sake of his friends. He sometimes does it on his own but put trust on his crew because he has faith in their capabilities and the crew follows suit because as Zoro puts it;
People who critique post ts PRAISE the pre ts for how they handle their arcs and characterization of the core cast better but fail to recognize the deeper implications from those past arcs and how that applies to them now and question why characters act the way they do in modern arcs. Speaking of Zoro.
Dont know what made Zoro irresponsible post ts let alone pre ts.
Its true that Zoro is insultingly rude. Him showing concern regarding the outcome of Sanji. What a prick.
Or the time he saved complete strangers from getting killed by an assassin. Or the time he low diff Apoo after seeing Kiku arm fall from the rooftop. But in all seriousness the fact he didnt laugh at Tokos joke took the cake over how RUDE Zoro is. As for falling off the edge I dont know how any moment from Zorro has more meaning than Zoro taking a slash from Mihawk even knowing that he was outmatched. Dont know what makes him a slave to Luffy given that he made most decisions on his own accords and always backed him up without Luffy even asking.
Lewd started WAAAAY before post and it didnt change the aspect to the character then or even now and Oda did marry a nami cosplayer. That and I don't think sticking around with your captain as he waits for someone in enemy territory as an army arrives to take him or not even mustering a white lie to someone that's about to bonk her to death that the same captain wont become king of the pirates is even tied to narcissism. Yeah she still cares about her well being as before yet still sticks with the crew when their lives are on the line. Especially her being Malicious when she forgave the person who released someone that was the source of her childhood trauma or went out of her way to save a bunch of human trafficked children or try and save Momo so Kin can focus on facing Kaido.
THIS I can see why so many take issue with as Sanji horny levels have taken a rise post time skip with not enough big brain moments to balance it out. It doesnt make him dumb as most situations was someone exploiting his nature like before with WCI being a test with more than his weakness with woman rather his character as a whole but in the end he stood true to himself without these setbacks getting the better of him. The fact that he grew up in a hostile environment and yet still remain kindhearted is evident of that point surrounding the narrative around that arc.
Don't know how Luffy is somehow LESS responsible post ts. After his decision to split up the crew in dressrosa, how he handle the situations given during WCI, learning to run when he cant face his opponents but standing his ground when the alternatives are stacked against his allies (Doflamingo, Katakuri, Kaido). How is that any more brain dead than him trying to take down a warlord, admiral or infiltrating any of the three WG facilities? He was always like this not because he was irresponsible on either cases but because he always took the higher risk sometimes for himself but mostly or eventually for the sake of his friends. He sometimes does it on his own but put trust on his crew because he has faith in their capabilities and the crew follows suit because as Zoro puts it;
People who critique post ts PRAISE the pre ts for how they handle their arcs and characterization of the core cast better but fail to recognize the deeper implications from those past arcs and how that applies to them now and question why characters act the way they do in modern arcs. Speaking of Zoro.
Dont know what made Zoro irresponsible post ts let alone pre ts.
Its true that Zoro is insultingly rude. Him showing concern regarding the outcome of Sanji. What a prick.
Or the time he saved complete strangers from getting killed by an assassin. Or the time he low diff Apoo after seeing Kiku arm fall from the rooftop. But in all seriousness the fact he didnt laugh at Tokos joke took the cake over how RUDE Zoro is. As for falling off the edge I dont know how any moment from Zorro has more meaning than Zoro taking a slash from Mihawk even knowing that he was outmatched. Dont know what makes him a slave to Luffy given that he made most decisions on his own accords and always backed him up without Luffy even asking.
Lewd started WAAAAY before post and it didnt change the aspect to the character then or even now and Oda did marry a nami cosplayer. That and I don't think sticking around with your captain as he waits for someone in enemy territory as an army arrives to take him or not even mustering a white lie to someone that's about to bonk her to death that the same captain wont become king of the pirates is even tied to narcissism. Yeah she still cares about her well being as before yet still sticks with the crew when their lives are on the line. Especially her being Malicious when she forgave the person who released someone that was the source of her childhood trauma or went out of her way to save a bunch of human trafficked children or try and save Momo so Kin can focus on facing Kaido.
THIS I can see why so many take issue with as Sanji horny levels have taken a rise post time skip with not enough big brain moments to balance it out. It doesnt make him dumb as most situations was someone exploiting his nature like before with WCI being a test with more than his weakness with woman rather his character as a whole but in the end he stood true to himself without these setbacks getting the better of him. The fact that he grew up in a hostile environment and yet still remain kindhearted is evident of that point surrounding the narrative around that arc.
Haki has been shown in a very inconsistent way ever since the beggining of the timeskip, from people being unable of using or detecting others with Observation Haki from the beggining, to many strong characters not showing haki despite being supposed to do so, to character's Coa having inconsistent power with it being able of blocking some attacks or injuring someone at times and unable to do so other times. Or Coa to be stated to drain energy and thus to not be wasted only to be used very casually (especially in Luffy's case).
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kaido has shown haki. king has shown haki in his clash against sanji (notice the black lightning in that panel). x drake has been confirmed by oda himself to use armament haki (plus he was the one sent to deal with caribou, a logia, in the cover stories and he brought him back to udon prisons). ulti & who's who have shown it. that is why it'll be hella weird if the others (page one, sasaki, black maria, queen and jack) cant use it, especially cause fucking nin nin nin Raizo can use both armament and observation.
kaido has shown haki. king has shown haki in his clash against sanji (notice the black lightning in that panel). x drake has been confirmed by oda himself to use armament haki (plus he was the one sent to deal with caribou, a logia, in the cover stories and he brought him back to udon prisons). ulti & who's who have shown it. that is why it'll be hella weird if the others (page one, sasaki, black maria, queen and jack) cant use it, especially cause fucking nin nin nin Raizo can use both armament and observation.