Character Discussion Better portrayal: Marco vs Katakuri

[HopOnTheHype]

LOL.Keep saying Jozu>Beckman and go back to read two piece xd.

"What-aboutism" is literally the most bitch out thing ever.

You've pretty much admitted your wrong by relying on that. Look at you being so self impressed with yourself, despite you getting shit on by me, how does my poop taste mate? Get used to it, because I'm much better at this than you are.

Katakuri was scared of big mom despite having tons of backup, marco faced big mom and perospero at once.

 

[MarineHQ]

Has Marco ever hurt a fly before?

He clapped Prometheus, does it count ?

Marco couldn't beat Kata.

How old were they, did they even fight etc etc???

If you haven't got any answers to that than your point is irrelevant in a Marco v Katakuri discussion

 

[Ichiro Miyata]

"What-aboutism" is literally the most bitch out thing ever.

You've pretty much admitted your wrong by relying on that. Look at you being so self impressed with yourself, despite you getting shit on by me, how does my poop taste mate? Get used to it, because I'm much better at this than you are.

Okey Mr. Jozu>Beckman.Keep the writing about two piece.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

He clapped Prometheus, does it count ?

How old were they, did they even fight etc etc???

If you haven't got any answers to that than your point is irrelevant in a Marco v Katakuri discussion

Nah, that´s a fruit advantage that normally is not relevant, it´s like Brook doing the same.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Okey Mr. Jozu>Beckman.Keep the writing about two piece.

Damn, you know someone's stupid when they get called out for a bad argument, then double down on it. You literally came to this forum with like 2 plans, insult the person and what-aboutism, and when that failed, you just malfunctioned and treid again.

"Rhetoricians generally consider it to be a form of quoque, which means "you too" in Latin and involves charging your accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of rather than refuting the truth of the accusation made against you. Tu quoque is considered to be a logical fallacy, because whether or not the original accuser is likewise guilty of an offense has no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation. " - Meriam-Webster

If all you have are weak asf logical fallacies about stuff I've said in the past to try to discredit what I'm saying now, over something that isn't even disproven, then you literally are just running away from my actual argument.

We aren't stupid, we see what you're doing, and it's pathetic. If you feel the need to insult someone instead of their point, you're already pretty much giving up, and you shouldn't be disingenuous, at least be willing to admit when you're wrong.

 

[Ichiro Miyata]

He clapped Prometheus, does it count ?

How old were they, did they even fight etc etc???

If you haven't got any answers to that than your point is irrelevant in a Marco v Katakuri discussion

They fought more than once.Just look at Perospero's word.Doesn't Kata get stronger while Marco is get stronger ?
Katakuri already just came out of deadly fight unlike Marco.

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Damn, you know someone's stupid when they get called out for a bad argument, then double down on it. You literally came to this forum with like 2 plans, insult the person and what-aboutism, and when that failed, you just malfunctioned and treid again.

"Rhetoricians generally consider it to be a form of quoque, which means "you too" in Latin and involves charging your accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of rather than refuting the truth of the accusation made against you. Tu quoque is considered to be a logical fallacy, because whether or not the original accuser is likewise guilty of an offense has no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation. " - Meriam-Webster

If all you have are weak asf logical fallacies about stuff I've said in the past to try to discredit what I'm saying now, over something that isn't even disproven, then you literally are just running away from my actual argument.

We aren't stupid, we see what you're doing, and it's pathetic. If you feel the need to insult someone instead of their point, you're already pretty much giving up, and you shouldn't be disingenuous, at least be willing to admit when you're wrong.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

They fought more than once.Just look at Perospero's word.Doesn't Kata get stronger while Marco is get stronger ?
Katakuri already just came out of deadly fight unlike Marco.

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You keep hyping up the guy who was scared of his mom while marco fights him mom and older brother at the same time.

Lol Marco? Can Katakuri even handle Jozu or Thatch?

 

[MarineHQ]

Nah, that´s a fruit advantage that normally is not relevant, it´s like Brook doing the same.

Brook nicked Prometheus and Marco straight up KO'ed him, that's entirely different.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Brook nicked Prometheus and Marco straight up KO'ed him, that's entirely different.

It's a elementary feat
Brook also koed Zeus this arc... I guess brook>Katakuri

If u wanna use that to put Marco > kata
Guess what? Yonko and admirals can't hurt homies too

If Marco feat was to hype his AP, Skills and haki... he wouldn't be caught easily by linlin and he wes gonna free himself quick

 

[Ichiro Miyata]

You keep hyping up the guy who was scared of his mom while marco fights him mom and older brother at the same time.

Lol Marco? Can Katakuri even handle Jozu or Thatch?

Katakuri dominated Boundman who is stronger than Jozu or Thatch.Marco is someone already couldn't beat Kata in past.But I don't think you can understand this.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Brook nicked Prometheus and Marco straight up KO'ed him, that's entirely different.

Missing the point. That´s almost like Luffy vs Enel, something so unique it has no bearing to any other fight.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Katakuri dominated Boundman who is stronger than Jozu or Thatch.Marco is someone already couldn't beat Kata in past.But I don't think you can understand this.

Prove Boundman is stronger than Jozu or Thatch.

Boundman who was backed by Nami and an army of homies + crackers weakness of water still got thrashed by Cracker.

Prove marco couldn't defeat katakuri in the past, you can't.

Katakuri has likely only been big moms top underling for a few years, her first one was probably streusen, then perospero when streusen took a back seat, then katakuri became the "first mate" like 5-6 years ago or something, at best maybe 10 years ago.

Katkauri probably fought someone like ace in the past and that's about it lol.

Just stop, katakuri is ass, but at least he's stronger than ben beckman lol.

Jozu > Katakuri > Ben Beckman

It's laughable to compare katakuri to the person who'd be a yonkou rn if blackbeard wasn't there.

You can't use current luffy boundman either, cuz current luffy would thrash katakuri hard.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Both >>>>> King
That's what I know LOL

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Both >>>>> King
That's what I know LOL

Marco >>> Marco at marineford > Katakuri > King >>>>>>>>>>> Oven >>>> Tashigi > Ben Beckman

 

[Ichiro Miyata]

Prove Boundman is stronger than Jozu or Thatch.

Boundman who was backed by Nami and an army of homies + crackers weakness of water still got thrashed by Cracker.

Prove marco couldn't defeat katakuri in the past, you can't.

Katakuri has likely only been big moms top underling for a few years, her first one was probably streusen, then perospero when streusen took a back seat, then katakuri became the "first mate" like 5-6 years ago or something, at best maybe 10 years ago.

Katkauri probably fought someone like ace in the past and that's about it lol.

Just stop, katakuri is ass, but at least he's stronger than ben beckman lol.

Jozu > Katakuri > Ben Beckman

It's laughable to compare katakuri to the person who'd be a yonkou rn if blackbeard wasn't there.

You can't use current luffy boundman either, cuz current luffy would thrash katakuri hard.

Teach called yonko because he defeated Marco and the remaining wb Pirates and now owns their island Lol.Luffy defeats Cracker+Kata and he is called fifth emperor.This isn't same thing.Kata has undefeated series before Luffy and Bm crew and WB crew fought.Katakuri of course, isn't defeated by Marco you genius.From this manga, not like your headcanon.Cracker isn't above Boundman.He just won time, he didn't fight superior.Current Luffy would trash Marco too two piece reader.

 

[Kromage911]

Marco >>> Marco at marineford > Katakuri > King >>>>>>>>>>> Oven >>>> Tashigi > Ben Beckman

Ben Beckman >= Current Marco > Marco at marineford = Katakuri = King >>>>>>> Oven >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tashigi

:cheers:

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Prove Boundman is stronger than Jozu or Thatch.

Boundman who was backed by Nami and an army of homies + crackers weakness of water still got thrashed by Cracker.

Prove marco couldn't defeat katakuri in the past, you can't.

Katakuri has likely only been big moms top underling for a few years, her first one was probably streusen, then perospero when streusen took a back seat, then katakuri became the "first mate" like 5-6 years ago or something, at best maybe 10 years ago.

Katkauri probably fought someone like ace in the past and that's about it lol.

Just stop, katakuri is ass, but at least he's stronger than ben beckman lol.

Jozu > Katakuri > Ben Beckman

It's laughable to compare katakuri to the person who'd be a yonkou rn if blackbeard wasn't there.

You can't use current luffy boundman either, cuz current luffy would thrash katakuri hard.

but can't dodge linljn
Base luffy can

The other was a stool for Doffy... pathetic...
what exactly does Marco has?
Everybody hyped katakuri even luffy...
He has everything whether haki , awakening, legendary status, Respect, ...

but Marco and jozu would escape stickiness, bypass FS when they cant dodge onigumo, break free from parasite, dodge linlin... have no top tier haki or Stats except dura.

 

[Ichiro Miyata]

but can't dodge linljn
Base luffy can

The other was a stool for Doffy... pathetic...
what exactly does Marco has?
Everybody hyped katakuri even luffy...
He has everything whether haki , awakening, legendary status, Respect, ...

but Marco and jozu would escape stickiness, bypass FS when they cant dodge onigumo, break free from parasite, dodge linlin... have no top tier haki or Stats except dura.

This dude really thinks Marco could beat Kata in past lol.He think evens Jozu>Beckman and base Marco>King

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Sure, Marco failed to damage the admirals even after sending them flying with free kicks but that's still better than failing to put Luffy down after 50+ hits.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I think people on this forum confuse “portrayal” with “circumstance” lol.

People are like “Marco has better portrayal than Katakuri because Marco circumstantially faced opponents who Katakuri has not had the opportunity to face,” but that’s not what portrayal is. Marco has also circumstantially faced stronger opponents than Mihawk has, but not many say Mihawk < Marco.

“Portrayal” is more about things like how Oda himself treats each character and how he has other characters perceive them in the story. Katakuri has Marco beat in both regards. Marco has really good portrayal in terms of the characters who respect him and how Oda treats him and such, but Katakuri’s portrayal is simply better.

Katakuri is viewed as a threat by his own captain, Katakuri has remained undefeated at the top of the New World power scale, Katakuri was praised by Rayleigh, people who know that Luffy defeated Doflamingo and Cracker still claimed that Luffy defeating Katakuri was “impossible” etc..

The best you can really say about Marco’s portrayal, is that he was named captain of the Whitebeard Pirates after Whitebeard died, but the story had made it explicitly clear that this would apply to Katakuri as well. Marco made Big Mom retreat, but Big Mom also has to abuse Katakuri into submission so he doesn’t realize that he is a more fitting captain than she is.

Again, Marco does not have bad portrayal, Katakuri’s is simply better.