Character Discussion Better portrayal: Marco vs Katakuri

[HopOnTheHype]

but can't dodge linljn
Base luffy can

The other was a stool for Doffy... pathetic...
what exactly does Marco has?
Everybody hyped katakuri even luffy...
He has everything whether haki , awakening, legendary status, Respect, ...

but Marco and jozu would escape stickiness, bypass FS when they cant dodge onigumo, break free from parasite, dodge linlin... have no top tier haki or Stats except dura.

Big Mom grabbed him after they clashed equally, which is something luffy needed boundman to do when big mom wasn't even using haki.

Doflamingo blindsided jozu, what excuse does katakuri have for this:

Jozu fighting aokiji while katakuri was already eaten and pooped out by luffy.

Marco has haki
Marco has awakened zoan
Marco has literally been big dicking his way through piracy since before Oden, and would be a yonkou rn if blackbeard wasn't around
"Respect"

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Marco, the zoan who overpowered kizaru and clashed equally with akainu, can't escape his sickiness?
Jozu, the guy who did this:

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can't escape stickiness?

Bypass future sight? Shits easy, just trade blows with Katakuri so that if he hits you, you hit him back, marco can do this easily with his fruit, and jozu can tank blows to return blows. Jozu was even stated to be fast.

You whitebeard crew haters really like to use them being cheap shotted as your only excuse why they aren't stronk asf, don't you? The parasite argument has been puked out by you lot since marineford, it's even less believable now. Jozu weas literally under a blindsided parasite (ie more strings could be attached from a more compromising angle) for like 5 seconds, and luffy arguably only escaped parasite due to the sudden contraction of his body from base to g4. You're acting like he was controlling him or something, he cheap shot blindsided him, then was off within 10 seconds.

Onigumo was a blindside while Marco was literally mid keeling over from the damage of a kizaru laser (that was already a cheap shot). Marco was literally falling over when onigumo blindsided him. Katakuri has literally been tagged by people he saw the future sight visions of.

Big Mom would rip katakuri's head off homie.

Jozu was described as incredibly fast, Jozu has one of the best strength feats in the series, Jozu is more or less without a doubt a skilled cqc fighter + busoshoku specialist.

Marco without his zoan devil fruit that further boosts his power, ragdolled/overpowered kizaru, and given how long he's had his devil fruit, he's objectively an awakened zoan too. His healing and flight are literally the +2 to a powerful character alrady, he's already stronger than zoan form king in his base human form. Shit, this isn't even a matter of marco vs katakuri, marco can arguably beat katakuri while in base.

No one has any haki feats at marineford because luffy couldn't see haki, so we didn't see haki, since he was our perspective character.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

which is something luffy needed boundman to do when big mom wasn't even using haki.

She was definitely using Haki though.

And Luffy rattled her arm in the process.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Sure, Marco failed to damage the admirals even after sending them flying with free kicks but that's still better than failing to put Luffy down after 50+ hits.

When would Marco have reasonably hurt Kizaru? Marco kicked, Kizaru blocked, Marco followed through, ragdolling Kizaru, Kizaru turned to light to avoid crash damage that non logias would have suffered. Marco literally only made contact with his arm, the follow through kick was more of a push. It still means that base marco (he didn't have his zoan talons and the wings were only there to keep up flight) overpowered kizrau in raw strength, and he's a zoan, so his devilf ruit would bolster his stats when he's in hybrid and awakened too.

Marco literally just chokeholded king and queen at the same time and people are trying to dickride katakuri, lol

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Ben Beckman >= Current Marco > Marco at marineford = Katakuri = King >>>>>>> Oven >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tashigi

:cheers:

Ben Beckman was literally cucked by Kizaru so hard that he'll never regain his lost reputation, ben beckman will now try (and fail) to defeat kizaru's future grandson because kizaru is too strong to directly fight.

Marco literally has better strength feats in base than king does in full zoan.

Honestly speaking, whitebeard was the uncrowned pirate king, a normal yonkou crew would be:
Yonkou
1) Jozu
2) Thatch
3) Vista

But because Whitebeard was special, he had Marco. (who may or may not be rocks' son)

Marco would have beaten any of the yonkou first mate even back during marineford.

No idea why anyone thinks ben beckman is not the weakest of the lot, he literally had a gun pointed at kizaru's head with one job to do, and buggy/crocodile/law had to pick up his slack on defending luffy from kizaru. Ben Beckman literally had his gun to kizaru's head from a side angle and still looked like shit.

Marco didn't look that bad even when kizaru was cheap shotting him.

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Teach called yonko because he defeated Marco and the remaining wb Pirates and now owns their island Lol.Luffy defeats Cracker+Kata and he is called fifth emperor.This isn't same thing.Kata has undefeated series before Luffy and Bm crew and WB crew fought.Katakuri of course, isn't defeated by Marco you genius.From this manga, not like your headcanon.Cracker isn't above Boundman.He just won time, he didn't fight superior.Current Luffy would trash Marco too two piece reader.

You literally have no idea what you're reading when you open one piece, do you? Big News Morgans actively played up Luffy in an attempt to flip off Big Mom. Blackbeard literally read that article and laughed, saying it was far too soon for Luffy to be called that.

Marco meanwhile WAS that.

Prove Marco fought Katakuri, if you can't do that, you're just blindly throwing darts at a board and hoping one hits.
Yonkou don't fight that often, and if they do, it's usually just a skirmish between the yonkou themselves, and katakuri wouldn't have fought marco if the crews fought 10 years ago. Whitebeard literally has not attacked wano in 20 years.


"He just won time, he didn't fight superior", are you illiterate?
Anyway, Cracker's phalanx were objectively pressing forward in the face of luffy spamming rapid fire kong guns, so what the fuck are you smoking?

Listen, I know it sucks that your profile pic character is yesterdays news, but it's time for you to accept reality and stop making excuses.

Also wasn't the whole katakuri situation's point that his reputation was fake, he wasn't actually the infallible big brother that his youngest siblings thought he was? Wouldn't be surprised if he has lost in the past, or at the least was on the losing end of an encounter, but wasn't defeated before it things de-escalated or whatever. Undefeated, because katakuri always runs away when he's losing.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Marco literally just chokeholded king and queen at the same time and people are trying to dickride katakuri, lol

If it were Katakuri who did this to King and Queen, they'd have elevated him to Kaido level lmao

 

[Ichiro Miyata]

When would Marco have reasonably hurt Kizaru? Marco kicked, Kizaru blocked, Marco followed through, ragdolling Kizaru, Kizaru turned to light to avoid crash damage that non logias would have suffered. Marco literally only made contact with his arm, the follow through kick was more of a push. It still means that base marco (he didn't have his zoan talons and the wings were only there to keep up flight) overpowered kizrau in raw strength, and he's a zoan, so his devilf ruit would bolster his stats when he's in hybrid and awakened too.

Marco literally just chokeholded king and queen at the same time and people are trying to dickride katakuri, lol

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Ben Beckman was literally cucked by Kizaru so hard that he'll never regain his lost reputation, ben beckman will now try (and fail) to defeat kizaru's future grandson because kizaru is too strong to directly fight.

Marco literally has better strength feats in base than king does in full zoan.

Honestly speaking, whitebeard was the uncrowned pirate king, a normal yonkou crew would be:
Yonkou
1) Jozu
2) Thatch
3) Vista

But because Whitebeard was special, he had Marco. (who may or may not be rocks' son)

Marco would have beaten any of the yonkou first mate even back during marineford.

No idea why anyone thinks ben beckman is not the weakest of the lot, he literally had a gun pointed at kizaru's head with one job to do, and buggy/crocodile/law had to pick up his slack on defending luffy from kizaru. Ben Beckman literally had his gun to kizaru's head from a side angle and still looked like shit.

Marco didn't look that bad even when kizaru was cheap shotting him.

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You literally have no idea what you're reading when you open one piece, do you? Big News Morgans actively played up Luffy in an attempt to flip off Big Mom. Blackbeard literally read that article and laughed, saying it was far too soon for Luffy to be called that.

Marco meanwhile WAS that.

Prove Marco fought Katakuri, if you can't do that, you're just blindly throwing darts at a board and hoping one hits.
Yonkou don't fight that often, and if they do, it's usually just a skirmish between the yonkou themselves, and katakuri wouldn't have fought marco if the crews fought 10 years ago. Whitebeard literally has not attacked wano in 20 years.


"He just won time, he didn't fight superior", are you illiterate?
Anyway, Cracker's phalanx were objectively pressing forward in the face of luffy spamming rapid fire kong guns, so what the fuck are you smoking?

Listen, I know it sucks that your profile pic character is yesterdays news, but it's time for you to accept reality and stop making excuses.

Also wasn't the whole katakuri situation's point that his reputation was fake, he wasn't actually the infallible big brother that his youngest siblings thought he was? Wouldn't be surprised if he has lost in the past, or at the least was on the losing end of an encounter, but wasn't defeated before it things de-escalated or whatever. Undefeated, because katakuri always runs away when he's losing.

Yeah Marco and wb pirates stomped by Teach and Teach has WB's territory.Thats why Teach called by emperor.Luffy just beats Kata and Cracker and called emperor lol. I'm showing you manga facts, not my own fanboy commentary like you.Marco couldn't beat Kata and this is manga facts.Because Kata has undefeated series and he fought Marco.Perospero doesn't talk about a single situation, and it doesn't matter when the war.Katakuri, unlike Marco, came out of a deadly fight.You can't prove Marco's getting stronger and Kata's isn't get stronger."But but Jozu yc1" Doffy used that yc1 just like chair.

You are in a hopeless situation.You don't even know the difference between fighting superior and fighting equal.Listen, I know you can't do powerscalling, just do the op readers a favor and stop commenting this series.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

If it were Katakuri who did this to King and Queen, they'd have elevated him to Kaido level lmao

The whitebeard pirates are literally the only crew in the world that one piece fans use cheap shots against. Like the whitebeard pirates have ONLY looked bad when there were blindsides involved, yet people shit on them as if they're weak. People out there watching marco clash with big mom and choking out king and queen, and probably think franky can beat marco and marco is only able to delay characters. It's outrageous, if people treated other characters like they did the whitebeard pirates, the yeti cool brothers would be stronger than zoro, monet would be stronger than luffy, the luffy who fought kaidou in the first round would be stronger than kaidou, vista would be stronger than akainu, etc.

I think they know they're being disingenuous hypocrites tbh, but all they care about is reinforcing their bias, even if it's not logical to do so.

 

[zzShinichi]

Man this panel makes me think that there might be a second WCI arc. BigMom could steal the poneglyph, kidnapp Robin, and bam we have a reason for Luffy to return to WCI. He did promise Katakuri that he would "come back" to kick Big Mom's ass. And WCI is the only country that Luffy has visited in New World that hasn't been liberated by Luffy if we are not counting Wano which will eventually be later.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Yeah Marco and wb pirates stomped by Teach and Teach has WB's territory.Thats why Teach called by emperor.Luffy just beat Kata and Cracker and called emperor lol. I'm showing you manga facts, not my own fanboy commentary like you.Marco couldn't beat Kata and this is manga facts.Because Kata has undefeated series and he fought Marco.Perospero doesn't talk about a single situation, and it doesn't matter when the war.

You are in a hopeless situation.You don't even know the difference between fighting superior and fighting equal.Listen, I know you can't do powerscalling, just do the op readers a favor and stop commenting this series.

Why are you pretending that blackbeard would even need to raise a hand to beat katakuri, he could literally have shiryuu kill katakuri.

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Man this panel makes me think that there might be a second WCI arc. BigMom could steal the poneglyph, kidnapp Robin, and bam we have a reason for Luffy to return to WCI. He did promise Katakuri that he would "come back" to kick Big Mom's ass. And WCI is the only country that Luffy has visited in New World that hasn't been liberated by Luffy if we are not counting Wano which will eventually be later.

Was the rattle already circled? Cuz that was her using his power to drain luffy out of g4.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Why are you pretending that blackbeard would even need to raise a hand to beat katakuri, he could literally have shiryuu kill katakuri.

Which would probably go about as well as Blackbeard sending Burgess for the Mera Mera

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Which would probably go about as well as Blackbeard sending Burgess for the Mera Mera

I mean that's Zoro's villain in the next saga conclusion, so I guess we can shit on zoro like this. But real talk, katakuri aint shit, and sabo could probably flame his ass too.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Katakuri is viewed as a threat by his own captain

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

But real talk, katakuri aint shit, and sabo could probably flame his ass too.

Katakuri would take care if Sabo as easily as he took care of Red Hawk lol.

 

[comrade]

Marco's legendary record:

• Kicking Kizaru's arm and admitting it wasn't effective
• Blowing away an off guard Aokiji without doing harm
• Unable to hit Akainu in a sneak attack, as later shape shifts around it
• Beating Prometheus with elemental advantage (just as G3 Luffy and base Sanji clashed with zeus-enhanced Big Mom) and then being grabbed by Big Mom, shaking and saying "crap".
• Being not just beaten by Teach but destroyed (destroying is what justified Blackbeard becoming Yonko, not simply beating)
• 1nd division commander when the big shot is 2nd division (Oden/Ace)
• Probably not even a conqueror

Katakuri:

• Legendary undefeated human, his entire crew is in shock and awe hearing Katakuri lost
• "DiD hE eVeN fIgHt HiGh TiErS?" - trashes boundman easily
• a conqueror
• FS user (something according to Rayleigh only some among the mightiest are)
• special paramecia type DF
• awakening
• said to become the new leader of the BMPs, should Big Mom go down

:yasu:

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Katakuri would take care if Sabo as easily as he took care of Red Hawk lol.

False equivalency.

 

[kom5]

Nah, that´s a fruit advantage that normally is not relevant, it´s like Brook doing the same.

He clashed phycially with Bm without being overpowered does that count

 

[comrade]

He clashed phycially with Bm without being overpowered does that count

Nope. G3 Luffy and non RS Sanji also clashed with Big Mom's zeus-reinforced fist. Jinbe blocked Big Mom's cognac. Rather than judging single clashes, you have to judge their physical capabilities as a whole. Physically, Big Mom is way superior to Marco.

 

[HopOnTheHype]

Marco's legendary record:

• Kicking Kizaru's arm and admitting it wasn't effective
• Blowing away an off guard Aokiji without doing harm
• Unable to hit Akainu in a sneak attack, as later shape shifts around it
• Beating Prometheus with elemental advantage (just as G3 Luffy and base Sanji clashed with zeus-enhanced Big Mom) and then being grabbed by Big Mom, shaking and saying "crap".
• Being not just beaten by Teach but destroyed (destroying is what justified Blackbeard becoming Yonko, not simply beating)
• 1nd division commander when the big shot is 2nd division (Oden/Ace)
• Probably not even a conqueror

Katakuri:

• Legendary undefeated human, his entire crew is in shock and awe hearing Katakuri lost
• "DiD hE eVeN fIgHt HiGh TiErS?" - trashes boundman easily
• a conqueror
• FS user (something according to Rayleigh only some among the mightiest are)
• special paramecia type DF
• awakening
• said to become the new leader of the BMPs, should Big Mom go down

:yasu:

Marco

• Overpowered Kizaru's defense while in base, sending him ragdolling to the earth
• Knocking aokiji away, which was his intention
• Hit akainu in a sneak attack, no matter how much you bitch and whine about how akainu groaning in pain, gritting his teeth, getting knocked back, etc wasn't him being hurt, you're coping hard asf
• Breaking out of Big Moms grip
• Being in a position where he could have been a yonkou
• Ace was weaker than Vista at his time of death (but had potential), and Marco was too young to be a division leader back during Oden's time, and ace was filling a vacancy. In verse, their division spot doesn't factor in, but ace was simply filling a spot that was vacant for years. Do you expect jozu or marco to abandon their divisions that they've fought wars with, just to fit some arbitrary power scale numbering system?
• He might have haoshoku, he might not. He might also be rocks son.
• Without a doubt has an awakened zoan
• A FUCKING MYSTICAL ZOAN

Katakuri:

• Has never been stated to have defeated anyone strong ever, if ben beckman was bending him over his ass and spanking him, but the fight was ended before he lost, he'd still be undefeated. At most, yonkou crews have skirmishes, not full on wars. Whitebeard actively avoided fighting other yonkou as we saw with wano.
• Cracker trashed boundman easily too
• He's a conqueror that is so insecure that he wouldn't show his face, and was scared to confront his mom while perospero wasn't. Marco meanwhile faced perospero and big mom at once.
• FS didn't stop kaidou from one hitting luffy
• Mystical zoan > katakuri's "special paramecia"
• His twin brother said katakuri should be the leader if big mom actually died, a tad biased I'd say. It'd still be up in the air who'd rule, meanwhile Marco objectively led the Whitebeard pirates upon whitebeard's death.

So yeah, all your points are trash.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

He clashed phycially with Bm without being overpowered does that count

See above. BM primarily attacked with Prometheus that was beaten by Marco´s flames.
Sanji and Luffy, two mid tiers in that state at least, did that as well.
Did not match her physically like Kong Gun did though.

 

[comrade]

Overpowered Kizaru's defense while in base, sending him ragdolling to the earth

What is "Kizaru's defense?" Just holding up his arm. And Marco admitted his kick was ineffective. So now you know Marco's capabilities better than Marco himself? Interesting.

Knocking aokiji away, which was his intention

Just as gear less pre TS Luffy knocked Aokiji into the air when Aokiji was on guard. So yeah, nothing to do with power.

Hit akainu in a sneak attack, no matter how much you bitch and whine about how akainu groaning in pain, gritting his teeth, getting knocked back, etc wasn't him being hurt, you're coping hard asf

Breaking out of Big Moms grip

Akainu said haki users are annoying. But still shape shifted around the attack and remained unharmed.

Being in a position where he could have been a yonkou

No he wasn't. Gorosei said Marco and the remnants of the WB pirates might be one of the forces capable of stopping Teach, which was proven false, as Blackbeard trashed them.

Ace was weaker than Vista at his time of death (but had potential), and Marco was too young to be a division leader back during Oden's time, and ace was filling a vacancy. In verse, their division spot doesn't factor in, but ace was simply filling a spot that was vacant for years. Do you expect jozu or marco to abandon their divisions that they've fought wars with, just to fit some arbitrary power scale numbering system?

I hear excuses.

Cracker trashed boundman easily too

He didn't really. He was mainly on the defensive. Katakuri was the one who dodged everything effortlessly and used boundman as a punching bag.

He's a conqueror that is so insecure that he wouldn't show his face, and was scared to confront his mom while perospero wasn't. Marco meanwhile faced perospero and big mom at once.

Your point? He is a conqueror and those have higher potential. He also hid his face not because of personal insecurity but because he wanted to be strong and perfect for his siblings as a means to protect them. The flashback confirmed it. So different motive.

FS didn't stop kaidou from one hitting luffy

Luffy didn't use FS against Kaido the first time, as he was in rage.

Mystical zoan > katakuri's "special paramecia"

Both DFs have advantages.

His twin brother said katakuri should be the leader if big mom actually died, a tad biased I'd say. It'd still be up in the air who'd rule, meanwhile Marco objectively led the Whitebeard pirates upon whitebeard's death.

His twin brother said the captain should be determined by power, hence Katakuri should be the leader.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Marco's legendary record:

• Kicking Kizaru's arm and admitting it wasn't effective
• Blowing away an off guard Aokiji without doing harm
• Unable to hit Akainu in a sneak attack, as later shape shifts around it
• Beating Prometheus with elemental advantage (just as G3 Luffy and base Sanji clashed with zeus-enhanced Big Mom) and then being grabbed by Big Mom, shaking and saying "crap".
• Being not just beaten by Teach but destroyed (destroying is what justified Blackbeard becoming Yonko, not simply beating)
• 1nd division commander when the big shot is 2nd division (Oden/Ace)
• Probably not even a conqueror

Katakuri:

• Legendary undefeated human, his entire crew is in shock and awe hearing Katakuri lost
• "DiD hE eVeN fIgHt HiGh TiErS?" - trashes boundman easily
• a conqueror
• FS user (something according to Rayleigh only some among the mightiest are)
• special paramecia type DF
• awakening
• said to become the new leader of the BMPs, should Big Mom go down

:yasu:

Talk about being selective