Character Discussion Between Sasaki and Black Maria who do you think was more impressive?

[ZenZu]

Sasaki was a captain with his own crew sailing the NW prior to joining Beast Pirates.

He has a bounty 472 mil.

Black Maria is a Wano native, a country whose borders are closed so far less opportunities to go out to sea, her main profession is being a geisha, and she is 5 years younger than Sasaki.

She has a bounty of 480 mil.

It’s clear who the WG fears more despite one being a pirate captain in the past. BM puts Sasaki in a garbage can in terms of portrayal.

If she was in the Beast Pirates longer than Sasaki, that actually makes her look worse, as being in a Yonkou crew inflates your bounty by default. She potentially got more free boosts to her bounty and still only a 8 mil difference.

 

[Ven437]

If she was in the Beast Pirates longer than Sasaki, that actually makes her look worse, as being in a Yonkou crew inflates your bounty by default. She potentially got more free boosts to her bounty and still only a 8 mil difference.

News flash, Sasaki is in the same crew as her, they are both in the same crew now and same F6 category. They have the same inflation

 

[ZenZu]

News flash, Sasaki is in the same crew as her, they are both in the same crew now and same F6 category. They have the same inflation

Yea but the longer she was there the more free boosts she gets. As the crew's bounty increases so does hers. Let's say she joined 5 years before Sasaki for example, that's 5 years worth of inflation she received while he had to work hard for every increase in his bounty for those years.

 

[Ven437]

Yea but the longer she was there the more free boosts she gets. As the crew's bounty increases so does hers. Let's say she joined 5 years before Sasaki for example, that's 5 years worth of inflation she received while he had to work hard for every increase in his bounty for those years.

What is this headcanon, 5 years of inflation this ain't economics, there is nothing about inflation being proportional to the number of years spent

It is a flat bounty increase, plain and simple.

 

[ZenZu]

What is this headcanon, 5 years of inflation this ain't economics, there is nothing about inflation being proportional to the number of years spent

It is a flat bounty increase, plain and simple.

? That didn't disprove what I said.

Some of the strawhats got an increase for just being a part of the SH crew, the same thing will happen everytime an increase happens for the Captain, Yonkou crews get even bigger boosts. So the longer you're there the higher the chances of more passive bounty increases.

 

[Shiroyru]

Yea but the longer she was there the more free boosts she gets. As the crew's bounty increases so does hers. Let's say she joined 5 years before Sasaki for example, that's 5 years worth of inflation she received while he had to work hard for every increase in his bounty for those years.

Bruh you’re overthinking this way too much. She has a higher bounty because she’s stronger.

Also, is there any proof that Maria joined the BPs before Sasaki?

 

[Ven437]

? That didn't disprove what I said.

Some of the strawhats got an increase for just being a part of the SH crew, the same thing will happen everytime an increase happens for the Captain, Yonkou crews get even bigger boosts. So the longer you're there the higher the chances of more passive bounty increases.

More headcanon if you want to bring bounty inflation due to Yonko influence to the table then bring a better argument than some economics-like BS that is not proven anywhere

Bruh you’re overthinking this way too much. She has a higher bounty because she’s stronger.

Also, is there any proof that Maria joined the BPs before Sasaki?

It can be assumed she did but there is no explicit mention of it so it's just speculation. However she was a geisha for Orochi's castle so she might have already been considered part of the crew then, but being a geisha isnt something you would have a bounty for (see Chopper)

 

[ZenZu]

Bruh you’re overthinking this way too much. She has a higher bounty because she’s stronger.

I'm not overthinking anything, Ven437 was using her being a wano native against her, when it can be for her if she was a member of the beast pirates before Sasaki, thanks to Yonkou bounty inflation and Wano being home to Kaidou's crew for decades.

Also, is there any proof that Maria joined the BPs before Sasaki?

See above.

More headcanon if you want to bring bounty inflation due to Yonko influence to the table then bring a better argument than some economics-like BS that is not proven anywhere

You don't seem to understand what I said. I don't care to explain any further not even worth it for such a useless debate.

 

[Shiroyru]

I'm not overthinking anything, Ven437 was using her being a wano native against her, when it can be for her if she was a member of the beast pirates before Sasaki, thanks to Wano being home to Kaidou's crew for decades.


See above.



You don't seem to understand what I said. I don't care to explain any further not even worth it for such a useless debate.

But that doesn’t necessarily prove that Maria joined before Sasaki though. Sasaki could have joined 12 years ago for all we know. Also, Sasaki was stated in the VCs to, along with WsW, be the troublemakers of the crew, so him and WsW should be doing things that the WG doesn’t like more often than Maria, yet still has a lower bounty.

 

[Ven437]

I'm not overthinking anything, Ven437 was using her being a wano native against her, when it can be for her if she was a member of the beast pirates before Sasaki, thanks to Yonkou bounty inflation and Wano being home to Kaidou's crew for decades.


See above.



You don't seem to understand what I said. I don't care to explain any further not even worth it for such a useless debate.

No you just keep bringing up this headcanon that bounty inflation is like economics.

They get boosts by being in a Yonko crew. That is all we know. The rest is then due to their own notoriety/fame/abilities/whatever.

Equalize their Yonko crew boosts, BM puts Sasaki in the gutter because 1) she is younger, 2) she is a Wano native whose borders are closed off + she's a geisha by profession so she only went out if she was sent out by Kaido on missions/whatever, 3) Sasaki was previously a captain and roamed the NW making a name for himself, 4) as Shiroyru pointed out he is a troublemaker of the crew.

And in the end BM still has a slightly higher bounty than Sasaki. Power is partially reflected in bounty so given Sasaki's greater likelihood of being more renown than BM, BM makes up for it by being a good deal stronger than Sasaki.

 

[ZenZu]

No you just keep bringing up this headcanon that bounty inflation is like economics.

No, reread what I typed if you care enough. I don't care enough to explain for the 3rd time.

 

[Ven437]

No, reread what I typed if you care enough. I don't care enough to explain for the 3rd time.

Some of the strawhats got an increase for just being a part of the SH crew, the same thing will happen everytime an increase happens for the Captain

So where was the increase for Zoro, Usopp, Robin, and Brook after WCI arc when Luffy became the 5th emperor?

 

[JoNdule]

Maria >= Sasaki
She's younger but has higher bounty even tho Sasaki was an ex captain
Also Oda highlighted her and WsW on the cover as main flyers.

"Her endurance is trash" "she's weak physically "
Of course she is coz she's not an ancient zoan! Her forte isnt endurance
She's tricky and hax , that's how she beats Sasaki or Ulti.

 

[ZenZu]

So where was the increase for Zoro, Usopp, Robin, and Brook after WCI arc when Luffy became the 5th emperor?

Good example, but it's only 1. Wait and see what happens with Usopp's bounty this arc. Luffy wasn't quite established as a Yonkou like the current ones are.

 

[garciajulieen]

Sasaki, destroying Shogun is something.

 

[wraithery]

She poisons him. Gg

The poison she mentions but never used why?

Also I dislike oda saying all flying 6 have both haki types but BM had to use brass knuckles against sanji and Robin

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She poisons him. Gg

The poison she mentions but never used why?

Also I dislike oda saying all flying 6 have both haki types but BM had to use brass knuckles against sanji and Robin

 

[Shiroyru]

The poison she mentions but never used why?

Also I dislike oda saying all flying 6 have both haki types but BM had to use brass knuckles against sanji and Robin

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The poison she mentions but never used why?

Also I dislike oda saying all flying 6 have both haki types but BM had to use brass knuckles against sanji and Robin

Brass knuckles + CoA > just CoA

 

[Konstantis]

Sasaki and...Who? Don't know what you talking about, never heard about him or her.

 

[wraithery]

Brass knuckles + CoA > just CoA

She didn't use armament though, unless it was in a panel I missed.

 

[Ven437]

Good example, but it's only 1. Wait and see what happens with Usopp's bounty this arc. Luffy wasn't quite established as a Yonkou like the current ones are.

Nothing you said proves your point.

This passive increase the longer you are in the crew is headcanon and at best speculation based on nothing. Sasaki and BM already got the Yonko influence boosts, Sasaki is older + has more pirating experience and fame than BM, so BM can only make up for this difference by being outright stronger or a better fighter than BM.