Powers & Abilities Black Blade is a Haki Feat (Most Likely)

#1
Another BB thread but this is not focused on the recent GB thing. I know most people would cry but this is the truth. Only two confirmed BBs in the story (GBs is not confirmed). BBs are forged and not painted. Per Onimaru (retard fox talking about shit like he knows it) Shusui was forged into a black blade through a history of battles of Ryuma, mind you Ryuma was said to be able to finish a fight in a single blow/strike. Mihawks VC also says that he kept on fighting until no worthy opponents remained. Based on this it would be good assumption that after fighting a lot of battles the blade can be turned black. However, their is a big flaw in this argument, there are many characters who also have a history of battles and yet they have not forged a black blade. The biggest example would be Nasujuro, the guy is old as fuck (normal age) and is probably hundred of years old like Saturn was (I think Nasujuro might actually be from Void Century era) and he has a SG blade Kitetsu 1. So how come a samurai (most likely from Wano) who has lived centuries and loves his blade (saw him tending to it like Zoro) was unable to forge his blade into a black blade.

We dont actually know when Mihawk turned Yoru into a BB but even if we take his pre TS age of 41-42 it is still many times less than Nasujuros life. We dont know when Ryuma forged Shusui into a BB but he died from sickness at 47 so again that is a young age compared to Nasujuro. And in OP the 40s seem to be the age of prime of a character. Even if we take Roger who was 53 at time of death and he loved his blade and also loved to fight (we saw how eager he was to test Oden and wanted to fight WB) and he was an active pirate for decades and fought against the strongest chars introduced so far in the series (WB, Rocks, Garp etc.) and yet he was unable to forge Ace into a BB. WB who lived even longer was also unable to forge Murakomgiri into a BB.

So just having strong haki (strongest haki users so far in the series) and history of battles is not enough. Then we also have to understand that Zoro will most likely forge his blades into BBs at his current age of 21-22. And he has spent less time with these swords (2 years for Sandai, few months for Enma) than all the guys I mentioned previously have spent with their blades.

So what is the secret ingredient, Road to LT magazine suggested that their might be more to BBs than just haki, yet the becoming one with blade/loving the blade or history of battles do not seem to be the secret factor. The last clue we have is of Odens dad saying that Zoro might turn Enma into a BB but it depends on Zoro and Oden was unable to do it even though he wielded the blade for like 3 decades and was a sword loving samurai who loved fighting.

I think that their is a level of haki above of what we have been shown so far. We saw JBs haki burst (storing haki in the knot) which forced haki monsters like Gorosei out of their awakened forms and how it might be stronger than Shanks (what was the official translation idk) and we also know that JB and Ryuma were paralleled. We also know that Luffy has not yet reached that level, he will when he surpasses Shanks.
 
#3
I really don't know how Oda plans on handling the Black Blade situation

Whitebeard doesn't have one, Roger doesn't have one, Nasjuro doesn't have one, Shanks doesn't have one, Fujitora doesn't have one, etc

There's clearly a secret ingredient

The thing is... there's nothing that Oda could introduce that would explain why these other characters weren't able to forge one

Because as you said there are a handful of other characters that meet the criteria on paper

If Greenbull really has a Black Blade then it makes even less sense
 
#7
I really don't know how Oda plans on handling the Black Blade situation

Whitebeard doesn't have one, Roger doesn't have one, Nasjuro doesn't have one, Shanks doesn't have one, Fujitora doesn't have one, etc

There's clearly a secret ingredient

The thing is... there's nothing that Oda could introduce that would explain why these other characters weren't able to forge one

Because as you said there are a handful of other characters that meet the criteria on paper

If Greenbull really has a Black Blade then it makes even less sense
Its the reason I dont want GB to have it, its not just Mihawk downplay as people trynna push its overall downplay of Shanks, Roger, WB, Nasujuro etc. too
 
#9
Its the reason I dont want GB to have it, its not just Mihawk downplay as people trynna push its overall downplay of Shanks, Roger, WB, Nasujuro etc. too
There Is not downplay of any of them in that case, just Ryokugyu hyped: It means that at the very least he has a better CoA than then, which It's good for him and not bad for them. Mihawk having One doesn't downplay BB or Roger either.



If Greenbull really has a Black Blade then it makes even less sense
Depends what sense you want to make.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#10
>Why havent they forged a black blade?
This is another question that causes countless mental gymnastics because X/Y/Z didn't have a Kokuto.
You can see those mental gymnastics performed by those who don't want Mihawk to be the strongest. :milaugh:

And just like you listed all the possible excuses we saw so far, we have example of each and one of them not being the secret sauce of a Black Blade. They will never be able to answer that question as long as they try to solve the mystery with copium.

What we know for sure is this - Mihawk told Zoro to take his will(haki) to surpass his Blade, in order to surpass him.
Haki is a confirmed way of forging a Black Blade.

Now, why haven't the hakimen forged one then? Because their haki isn't strong enough.
That's all there is to it. We are gradually introduced to better and better haki.

For ages, basic CoC was the best thing there is with many people capable of using it.
Then we got introduced to advanced CoC, the infusion which very few can do, a lot less than a total number of CoC users.
Then we found out that you can even conquer Devil Fruits with CoC and that is something even fewer people can do than total number of people capable of CoC infusion.

You catch my drift?
The stronger the CoC application, the fewer people are capable of using it.
And Zoro has already shown us that aCoC is a mere stepping stone towards Black Blades.
He is already capable of haki that is above aCoC and he still isn't capable of forging a Kokuto.

The mark of the strongest is the rarest ability in the show, for a reason. :myman:
 
#11
We saw the most OP form of CoC, coating
We saw the most OP form of CoO, FS
We are yet to see the peak of CoA. We have internal destruction as an advanced application of offensive CoA, my bet is there's another advanced application of CoA, this time defensively. Provided the user wants to form a black blade and has acquired mastery in this form of CoA, and after countless battles using the same blade(s), the user becomes one with his sword permanently implanting his spiritual energy within said blade.
 
#17
I wonder who made this guy go hakibloom so hard, his sword became black


Despite the similarities between a sword + hardening and a black blade, I remember it was said that the hardening color is just for the reader.

So zoro/onimaru can't be referring to 'mere' CoA when they say black. Also given the few number of blades of this type (only 3 known, a couple more unknown), it's clear this feat also requires ridiculously high CoC levels.


Curious about the third ingredient. Or if a certain level of CoC already suffices. A level that was reached by Ryuuma and Mihawk, but not by Shanks and Roger.

I just hope it's not just, muh countless battles.
 
#18
I wonder who made this guy go hakibloom so hard, his sword became black


Despite the similarities between a sword + hardening and a black blade, I remember it was said that the hardening color is just for the reader.

So zoro/onimaru can't be referring to 'mere' CoA when they say black. Also given the few number of blades of this type (only 3 known, a couple more unknown), it's clear this feat also requires ridiculously high CoC levels.


Curious about the third ingredient. Or if a certain level of CoC already suffices. A level that was reached by Ryuuma and Mihawk, but not by Shanks and Roger.

I just hope it's not just, muh countless battles.
Which three?
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There Is not downplay of any of them in that case, just Ryokugyu hyped: It means that at the very least he has a better CoA than then, which It's good for him and not bad for them. Mihawk having One doesn't downplay BB or Roger either.



Depends what sense you want to make.
It does dehype because GB twerked to Shanks. Imagine Ryuma or Roger twerking to Shanks haki like that
 
#19
I wonder who made this guy go hakibloom so hard, his sword became black


Despite the similarities between a sword + hardening and a black blade, I remember it was said that the hardening color is just for the reader.

So zoro/onimaru can't be referring to 'mere' CoA when they say black. Also given the few number of blades of this type (only 3 known, a couple more unknown), it's clear this feat also requires ridiculously high CoC levels.


Curious about the third ingredient. Or if a certain level of CoC already suffices. A level that was reached by Ryuuma and Mihawk, but not by Shanks and Roger.

I just hope it's not just, muh countless battles.
A dragon
 
#20
I wonder who made this guy go hakibloom so hard, his sword became black


Despite the similarities between a sword + hardening and a black blade, I remember it was said that the hardening color is just for the reader.

So zoro/onimaru can't be referring to 'mere' CoA when they say black. Also given the few number of blades of this type (only 3 known, a couple more unknown), it's clear this feat also requires ridiculously high CoC levels.


Curious about the third ingredient. Or if a certain level of CoC already suffices. A level that was reached by Ryuuma and Mihawk, but not by Shanks and Roger.

I just hope it's not just, muh countless battles.
Its obviously not countless battles, its just to show their progression through overcoming obstacles, they rose to every challenge. Ryumas strongest enemy was probably the one who gave him the eye scar, he didnt have it during his Dragon fight.
 
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