Powers & Abilities Black Blade is a Haki Feat (Most Likely)

[Dragon777]

Ray said he couldnt possibly beat BB in a 1v1 at that age, possibly.

"pretty certain" means possibly?

Just so you know, that was the most favourable translation. The official one is this:

"I couldn't have possibly", which is even more absolute.

There is a difference in clown reaction and what GB showed, stop trying to dust GBs reaction as a clown reaction or an overreaction.
So easy to post the smaller panels that are after the main thing. You looking like a fool here. The RHP pirates thing comes after the main thing to which GB twerked.

And here again the double standard.

Imu twerked far worse than GB, he even kneeled, but for him it's ok --> final villain stronger than Roger;
BB is a living twerk man, had a clown face for someone that clearly used far less haki than Shanks and admitted inferiority soon after --> pirate final villain;
Luffy is living clown, was mad worried for Kizaru --> it's fine because what he said after, but if after Ryo said he was retreating in front of the whole RHP (and only saying it was not the time), he is trash instead.

Again, Mihawk postponed Vista, Vista; still I think he is stronger than Shanks. If I had to take it for what it was worth, I would have to put Mihawk maybe above YC1. I don't because it's stupid.

There are serious and clown characters in this manga; clown characters are clowns, alwasy has and always will, still are as strong as the others if not more.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Another BB thread but this is not focused on the recent GB thing. I know most people would cry but this is the truth. Only two confirmed BBs in the story (GBs is not confirmed). BBs are forged and not painted. Per Onimaru (retard fox talking about shit like he knows it) Shusui was forged into a black blade through a history of battles of Ryuma, mind you Ryuma was said to be able to finish a fight in a single blow/strike. Mihawks VC also says that he kept on fighting until no worthy opponents remained. Based on this it would be good assumption that after fighting a lot of battles the blade can be turned black. However, their is a big flaw in this argument, there are many characters who also have a history of battles and yet they have not forged a black blade. The biggest example would be Nasujuro, the guy is old as fuck (normal age) and is probably hundred of years old like Saturn was (I think Nasujuro might actually be from Void Century era) and he has a SG blade Kitetsu 1. So how come a samurai (most likely from Wano) who has lived centuries and loves his blade (saw him tending to it like Zoro) was unable to forge his blade into a black blade.

We dont actually know when Mihawk turned Yoru into a BB but even if we take his pre TS age of 41-42 it is still many times less than Nasujuros life. We dont know when Ryuma forged Shusui into a BB but he died from sickness at 47 so again that is a young age compared to Nasujuro. And in OP the 40s seem to be the age of prime of a character. Even if we take Roger who was 53 at time of death and he loved his blade and also loved to fight (we saw how eager he was to test Oden and wanted to fight WB) and he was an active pirate for decades and fought against the strongest chars introduced so far in the series (WB, Rocks, Garp etc.) and yet he was unable to forge Ace into a BB. WB who lived even longer was also unable to forge Murakomgiri into a BB.

So just having strong haki (strongest haki users so far in the series) and history of battles is not enough. Then we also have to understand that Zoro will most likely forge his blades into BBs at his current age of 21-22. And he has spent less time with these swords (2 years for Sandai, few months for Enma) than all the guys I mentioned previously have spent with their blades.

So what is the secret ingredient, Road to LT magazine suggested that their might be more to BBs than just haki, yet the becoming one with blade/loving the blade or history of battles do not seem to be the secret factor. The last clue we have is of Odens dad saying that Zoro might turn Enma into a BB but it depends on Zoro and Oden was unable to do it even though he wielded the blade for like 3 decades and was a sword loving samurai who loved fighting.

I think that their is a level of haki above of what we have been shown so far. We saw JBs haki burst (storing haki in the knot) which forced haki monsters like Gorosei out of their awakened forms and how it might be stronger than Shanks (what was the official translation idk) and we also know that JB and Ryuma were paralleled. We also know that Luffy has not yet reached that level, he will when he surpasses Shanks.

I completely agree

Though there are two major questions. What kind of haki do you need? Ryuma and Mihawk are 99 percent advCoC users, but CoA is also ridiculously irrelevant. And why were those two able to forge them when Roger, Shanks, Ray, Nusjuro weren't?

 

[park_min young]

I don’t think it’s CoC since it’s been implied by Mihawk himself that any blade can turn black. He said this to Zoro as he was talking about armament haki and Zoro doesn’t have any hints of having CoC at the time. Why would he say that any blade can turn black to Zoro if Mihawk didn’t sense any CoC from him? I suppose a counter argument can be made that Mihawk already sensed Zoro’s CoC back then.

It could be a completely different concept like something related to death. Zoro has always been playing at death’s door throughout the series. Based on lore, GB should also be tied to death. Specifically his former lover, so maybe it could be related to the death of a loved one. Maybe Kuina’s will become one with Zoro’s sword or something lol.

We also don’t know much about Mihawk’s lore but we know that a theme of betrayal is there. This signifies that he had someone whom he was very close with in the past like Aramaki and Zoro.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

I hope it gets revealed that Garling blackened his blade sometime after God Valley

Would make things interesting

 

[Rootbeer]

Black Blade imo is like an awakening to a devil fruit; the final form of your sword as a swordsman, the black blade marks that you’re a complete **True** swordsman

this meaning that the character would solely have to invest in his sword more than any other department, like how DF users would gamble more on their fruit than haki.

haki is for all, but to get a black blade you have to be the traditional swordsman and dedicate to it.

It all depends on what the character specializes in most

This is a Black Blade..

 

[Garp the Fist]

Haki plus mastering the sword’s own soul/personality, whatever you want to call the animism of swords

 

[JoNdule]

It's not about CoC

People with pinnacle of CoC don't have black blades/weapons

It's something only CoA specialists can achieve once they become one with their swords

Zoro having CoC =/= being CoC specialist

 

[Blazing Lion]

"pretty certain" means possibly?

Just so you know, that was the most favourable translation. The official one is this:

"I couldn't have possibly", which is even more absolute.



And here again the double standard.

Imu twerked far worse than GB, he even kneeled, but for him it's ok --> final villain stronger than Roger;
BB is a living twerk man, had a clown face for someone that clearly used far less haki than Shanks and admitted inferiority soon after --> pirate final villain;
Luffy is living clown, was mad worried for Kizaru --> it's fine because what he said after, but if after Ryo said he was retreating in front of the whole RHP (and only saying it was not the time), he is trash instead.

Again, Mihawk postponed Vista, Vista; still I think he is stronger than Shanks. If I had to take it for what it was worth, I would have to put Mihawk maybe above YC1. I don't because it's stupid.

There are serious and clown characters in this manga; clown characters are clowns, alwasy has and always will, still are as strong as the others if not more.

I think possibly implies some doubt whereas pretty certain removes that doubt, if Ray himself doubts or feels he cant beat BB then why would I deny that, it just doesnt add up to you calling Old Ray being far weaker than BB otherwise BB would not have shat his pants and agreed to the terms. BB is also the one who was ready to fight Sengoku and Garp at MF after getting Gura. There are two sides to him, one where he is careless and reckless and pushes on and the other where he is cowardly and scheming.

Stop deflecting from GB twerking to Shanks, I am not saying GB is trash, he is an Admiral, he is a top tier but his portrayal so far does not put him on the same pedestal as Roger, WB, Shanks etc. as such it is very difficult to believe that GB himself forged a BB something that not even the previously mentioned guys were able to accomplish and which is most likely a haki feat.

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I completely agree

Though there are two major questions. What kind of haki do you need? Ryuma and Mihawk are 99 percent advCoC users, but CoA is also ridiculously irrelevant. And why were those two able to forge them when Roger, Shanks, Ray, Nusjuro weren't?

Because they werent strong enough? I already said that there is most likely a level above the guys you mentioned and JB, Ryuma and Mihawk have achieved that so far.

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I don’t think it’s CoC since it’s been implied by Mihawk himself that any blade can turn black. He said this to Zoro as he was talking about armament haki and Zoro doesn’t have any hints of having CoC at the time. Why would he say that any blade can turn black to Zoro if Mihawk didn’t sense any CoC from him? I suppose a counter argument can be made that Mihawk already sensed Zoro’s CoC back then.

It could be a completely different concept like something related to death. Zoro has always been playing at death’s door throughout the series. Based on lore, GB should also be tied to death. Specifically his former lover, so maybe it could be related to the death of a loved one. Maybe Kuina’s will become one with Zoro’s sword or something lol.

We also don’t know much about Mihawk’s lore but we know that a theme of betrayal is there. This signifies that he had someone whom he was very close with in the past like Aramaki and Zoro.

Yeah but Mihawk also said that Zoro wont get to drink sake until he masters this feat, which means that he was talking about CoA coating rather than forging a BB.

 

[The White Crane]

Another BB thread but this is not focused on the recent GB thing. I know most people would cry but this is the truth. Only two confirmed BBs in the story (GBs is not confirmed). BBs are forged and not painted. Per Onimaru (retard fox talking about shit like he knows it) Shusui was forged into a black blade through a history of battles of Ryuma, mind you Ryuma was said to be able to finish a fight in a single blow/strike. Mihawks VC also says that he kept on fighting until no worthy opponents remained. Based on this it would be good assumption that after fighting a lot of battles the blade can be turned black. However, their is a big flaw in this argument, there are many characters who also have a history of battles and yet they have not forged a black blade. The biggest example would be Nasujuro, the guy is old as fuck (normal age) and is probably hundred of years old like Saturn was (I think Nasujuro might actually be from Void Century era) and he has a SG blade Kitetsu 1. So how come a samurai (most likely from Wano) who has lived centuries and loves his blade (saw him tending to it like Zoro) was unable to forge his blade into a black blade.

We dont actually know when Mihawk turned Yoru into a BB but even if we take his pre TS age of 41-42 it is still many times less than Nasujuros life. We dont know when Ryuma forged Shusui into a BB but he died from sickness at 47 so again that is a young age compared to Nasujuro. And in OP the 40s seem to be the age of prime of a character. Even if we take Roger who was 53 at time of death and he loved his blade and also loved to fight (we saw how eager he was to test Oden and wanted to fight WB) and he was an active pirate for decades and fought against the strongest chars introduced so far in the series (WB, Rocks, Garp etc.) and yet he was unable to forge Ace into a BB. WB who lived even longer was also unable to forge Murakomgiri into a BB.

So just having strong haki (strongest haki users so far in the series) and history of battles is not enough. Then we also have to understand that Zoro will most likely forge his blades into BBs at his current age of 21-22. And he has spent less time with these swords (2 years for Sandai, few months for Enma) than all the guys I mentioned previously have spent with their blades.

So what is the secret ingredient, Road to LT magazine suggested that their might be more to BBs than just haki, yet the becoming one with blade/loving the blade or history of battles do not seem to be the secret factor. The last clue we have is of Odens dad saying that Zoro might turn Enma into a BB but it depends on Zoro and Oden was unable to do it even though he wielded the blade for like 3 decades and was a sword loving samurai who loved fighting.

I think that their is a level of haki above of what we have been shown so far. We saw JBs haki burst (storing haki in the knot) which forced haki monsters like Gorosei out of their awakened forms and how it might be stronger than Shanks (what was the official translation idk) and we also know that JB and Ryuma were paralleled. We also know that Luffy has not yet reached that level, he will when he surpasses Shanks.

Mihawk painted Yoru black.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Maybe but the CoC specialists in the verse for now are Shanks, Luffy and supposedly people like Roger, Joyboy of course which are all linked to the MC. Even if Zoro already has coc and even acoc he will always be below Luffy in this department (coc) as Mihawk will stay below Shanks and going with Zoro and Mihawk honestly I don't expect Ryuma to be hyped for his coc (that is Joyboy) but just for his sword skills (like it already is, the sword god) and maybe for his coa. Imo it has been underlined coa is the real haki for the swordsmen while coc is almost Luffy property.

Also coc has all the specialities of this world but at the same time coo has future sight which is still a very relevant ability, just look at Shanks vs Kidd, it is basically precognition (which is big, and it gets better with better coo) so coa should get some sort of speciality as well. Coc stole a lot of stuff from coa (in the past coc was used inly to knock out myriads of fodders but now it is the main attack ability) so coa needs something important as well to keep the pace with coo at least.

Then at this point, since coc ate almost everything, it could be that it also ate all the stuff related to swords (in order to be a top swordsman/ make a black blade you need very good coc) but by taking this way it is implied that what Zoro gets will always be worse than what Luffy gets since Luffy has and will always have better coc than Zoro (be it simply by Luffy specializing in it while Zoro specializes in coa or because the MC will always be better in his set of skills than other people).

Turning this into a Luffy vs Zoro aint solving the question. CoC is just amped up CoA at this point so it makes no sense for CoA to achieve something power scaling wise that CoC cant.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Because they werent strong enough? I already said that there is most likely a level above the guys you mentioned and JB, Ryuma and Mihawk have achieved that so far.

the issue is that there's no chance that Mihawk is above Roger and while he may be (and probably is) stronger than them, he's not a level above Shanks or Prime Ray either

not saying he's fodder to Roger or not on the level, but the portrayal and hype favors Roger too much

 

[Just a member]

Turning this into a Luffy vs Zoro aint solving the question. CoC is just amped up CoA at this point so it makes no sense for CoA to achieve something power scaling wise that CoC cant.

I avoid vs debates like the plague anyway imo it has to be connected to coa, afterall the first thing that comes to mind if you say coa is to turn your weapon of choice black, and Zoro has done so a million times with his sword, making a blade black permanent seems just like a permanent infusion of coa or something like that, coa has to be linked to black blades at least to some degree.

 

[M944]

Another agenda thread which tries to make Ryuma and Mihawk close to Joyboy and above Roger

No ryuma isn't equal or close to Joyboy it's easy to understand basic storytelling

 

[Dragon777]

I think possibly implies some doubt whereas pretty certain removes that doubt, if Ray himself doubts or feels he cant beat BB then why would I deny that, it just doesnt add up to you calling Old Ray being far weaker than BB otherwise BB would not have shat his pants and agreed to the terms. BB is also the one who was ready to fight Sengoku and Garp at MF after getting Gura. There are two sides to him, one where he is careless and reckless and pushes on and the other where he is cowardly and scheming.

Yeah, but Ray didn't say possibly, he said "pretty certain" or "I couldn't possibly". Anyway, we can agree on that.

Stop deflecting from GB twerking to Shanks, I am not saying GB is trash, he is an Admiral, he is a top tier but his portrayal so far does not put him on the same pedestal as Roger, WB, Shanks etc. as such it is very difficult to believe that GB himself forged a BB something that not even the previously mentioned guys were able to accomplish and which is most likely a haki feat.

On that I can agree, even though just after Wano (or before) he went and defeated someone described as strong as Young WB. For any other it would have been mad impressing and that should be for Ryokugyu too. On the other hand, Ryokugyu was presented with the BB in his very first moment, so that itself puts him on high level.

Anyway, we'll see: surely he has to do something, aside from the young WB business. If he has a BB as it seems, don't worry: he'll show off.

(btw, other than young WB, he even injured a Saijo user)

 

[ShadowStyle369]

RHPs were not the one sending the WiFi haki, it was only Shanks.
You are seriously not seeing the problem? BB is a coward, we already know this, what about Luffy? And yeah JB can be stronger than Imu. GB should be stronger if not equal to Shanks if he has forged a BB and you dont twerk like that to your equal or inferiors haki.

my headcannon says he gb did not forge his blade. It is black but he will only use it in last ditch situations as it may possibly behave like enma where it is massively draining him. His df would in essence counter this so it would be his gimmick to a degree. When he uses the blade it has massive cuts akin to enma cutting the tree/mountain, but even more destructive because it is a supreme grade black so think mihawk cutting the iceberg unrestraint.

 

[BestGen]

I think possibly implies some doubt whereas pretty certain removes that doubt, if Ray himself doubts or feels he cant beat BB then why would I deny that, it just doesnt add up to you calling Old Ray being far weaker than BB otherwise BB would not have shat his pants and agreed to the terms. BB is also the one who was ready to fight Sengoku and Garp at MF after getting Gura. There are two sides to him, one where he is careless and reckless and pushes on and the other where he is cowardly and scheming.

Stop deflecting from GB twerking to Shanks, I am not saying GB is trash, he is an Admiral, he is a top tier but his portrayal so far does not put him on the same pedestal as Roger, WB, Shanks etc. as such it is very difficult to believe that GB himself forged a BB something that not even the previously mentioned guys were able to accomplish and which is most likely a haki feat.

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Because they werent strong enough? I already said that there is most likely a level above the guys you mentioned and JB, Ryuma and Mihawk have achieved that so far.

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Yeah but Mihawk also said that Zoro wont get to drink sake until he masters this feat, which means that he was talking about CoA coating rather than forging a BB.

Stop the cope
BB claps hawkeye

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

I don’t think it’s CoC since it’s been implied by Mihawk himself that any blade can turn black. He said this to Zoro as he was talking about armament haki and Zoro doesn’t have any hints of having CoC at the time. Why would he say that any blade can turn black to Zoro if Mihawk didn’t sense any CoC from him? I suppose a counter argument can be made that Mihawk already sensed Zoro’s CoC back then.

It could be a completely different concept like something related to death. Zoro has always been playing at death’s door throughout the series. Based on lore, GB should also be tied to death. Specifically his former lover, so maybe it could be related to the death of a loved one. Maybe Kuina’s will become one with Zoro’s sword or something lol.

We also don’t know much about Mihawk’s lore but we know that a theme of betrayal is there. This signifies that he had someone whom he was very close with in the past like Aramaki and Zoro.

mihawk was specifically talking about hardening a sword to make it stronger. hes saying any blade can turn black, even if its not a Black Blade. using armament hardening on things turns them visibly black even if you don't have a real black blade.

 

[nik87]

Once again, I will remind you of two facts about Black Blades:
1 - Haki is confirmed way of forging Black Blades.
2 - aCoC is a mere stepping stone towards it.

Stop the cope
BB claps hawkeye

The guy is threatened by old Rayleigh.
Mihawk is unreachable for BB, even if he eats 100 Devil Fruits.

 

[BestGen]

Once again, I will remind you of two facts about Black Blades:
1 - Haki is confirmed way of forging Black Blades.
2 - aCoC is a mere stepping stone towards it.



The guy is threatened by old Rayleigh.
Mihawk is unreachable for BB, even if he eats 100 Devil Fruits.

Sure buddy

BB downplay is the funniest cope

 

[nik87]

Sure buddy

BB downplay is the funniest cope

There is no downplay, buddy-chin...
Haki simply conquers everything.
You saw that DF abilities cannot even manifest in front of hakimen.
So, whether you eat one, 3 or 30 of those Devil Fruits, it is useless.