Speculations Black Blades Need to Be Durable For a Strange Reason

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nik87 said:
The only reason why Ryuma's blade is 2nd rank could be to establish portrayal with Mihawk so there is no doubt that Mihawk is stronger than Ryuma. Considering Ryuma's legendary strength, there really is no other logical reason why his blade is 2nd grade.
We know that Yoru is above all other weapons as it is the strongest in the world.
And it is forged through haki.
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I disagree It’s been said that turning a blade black can raise the class of your blade hinting to enma becoming supreme grade it doesn’t say it’s always the case so shanks sword > ryuuma and zoro despite having acoc is still close to sanji in strength who doesn’t have it ((for sanji has adv coo and his base stats (if you are going to ask why I say that sanji has adv coo note sanji has acoo the way he dodged the jellybean was portrayed the same as luffy dodging. The needle from flampe (sanji was distracted by pudding collapsing in tears which would distract him And he thought she would be the one to shoot him katakuri saw sanji dodging priest and decided to take action and sanji dodged that )
I recall it’s been question in official statement/databook whethe haki alone is enough and I think turning a blade black also requires black fire where the user must clash with someone who uses black fire and the collisions repeatedly striking the black fire while the person protects their sword with haki strong enough to protect your sword is how a black blade will be forged ( shanks could have black fire and its mihawks battle with him that led to him getting a black blade
 
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nik87 said:
lol
Are you failing at English intentionally or what?
Just because we don't know them, it doesn't change the meaning of what Zoro said.

Also, haki is a concept since chapter 1.
Wano was of no importance, looking back.
It is just a background information for Ryuma's encounter with WG and stopping them from playing their games.

Whether we think Oda will do it or not, not the point.
The point is that Zoro said one of the characteristics and that means there are more.
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"Just because we don't know them, it doesn't change the meaning of what Zoro said."
That's exactly why I asked to show me evidence, but there is none.

Black blades have existed before Haki was fleshed out. The first time we heard of haki being related to BB was during DressRosa and that too it was specifically related to Armament Hardening i.e toughness and indestructible. Nothing else was mentioned.

Also believing Zoro's word?
This dude barely knows the grades of his swords nor does he have a lick of knowledge on Black Blades even after haki training from Mihawk.

Black blades is not an important concept even to Zoro, who barely mentions it. Clownda isn't gonna focus on that irrelevant thing in the final saga where other important stuff is going on. Nika piece has started now, rest of stuff is irrelevant.
 
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Blazing Lion said:
True, and the reason why people are now more perceptible to saying Mihawk > Roger. Because the black blade showcases the haki of the forger, strongest haki makes the strongest supreme grade black blade. Roger conquered the seas due to his haki, but his haki was not strong enough to forge a black blade nor did his haki broke his supreme grade blade.

Zoros haki must surpass Mihawks to forge a stronger sword to be able to channel a stronger attack and which will break Mihawks sword. Also the reason why anyone besides Mihawk makes zero sense for Zoros last fight/WSS fight.
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nik87

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Album said:
I disagree It’s been said that turning a blade black can raise the class of your blade hinting to enma becoming supreme grade it doesn’t say it’s always the case so shanks sword > ryuuma and zoro despite having acoc is still close to sanji in strength who doesn’t have it ((for sanji has adv coo and his base stats (if you are going to ask why I say that sanji has adv coo note sanji has acoo the way he dodged the jellybean was portrayed the same as luffy dodging. The needle from flampe (sanji was distracted by pudding collapsing in tears which would distract him And he thought she would be the one to shoot him katakuri saw sanji dodging priest and decided to take action and sanji dodged that )
I recall it’s been question in official statement/databook whethe haki alone is enough and I think turning a blade black also requires black fire where the user must clash with someone who uses black fire and the collisions repeatedly striking the black fire while the person protects their sword with haki strong enough to protect your sword is how a black blade will be forged ( shanks could have black fire and its mihawks battle with him that led to him getting a black blade
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Yes, Sanji is close to Zoro.
If he had Luffy in his team, they would be close to strong enough to beat Zoro.
But Zoro still edges them out as he has the power of 3.

If Shusui is 2nd grade for portrayal reasons, Shanks sword is not stronger than Ryuma's.
It seems there is too much cope in your arguments, whether to help Shanks or Sanji.
Either way, they are 2nd and 3rd grade fighters compared to Mihawk and Zoro.

The peak of Power of One Piece world belongs to Zoro vs Mihawk.
No other fight will ever be able to match that one.

HellBlazer04 said:
"Just because we don't know them, it doesn't change the meaning of what Zoro said."
That's exactly why I asked to show me evidence, but there is none.

Black blades have existed before Haki was fleshed out. The first time we heard of haki being related to BB was during DressRosa and that too it was specifically related to Armament Hardening i.e toughness and indestructible. Nothing else was mentioned.

Also believing Zoro's word?
This dude barely knows the grades of his swords nor does he have a lick of knowledge on Black Blades even after haki training from Mihawk.

Black blades is not an important concept even to Zoro, who barely mentions it. Clownda isn't gonna focus on that irrelevant thing in the final saga where other important stuff is going on. Nika piece has started now, rest of stuff is irrelevant.
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Show me evidence that Monkey D Dragon is stronger than an ant?
You cant and thus Dragon is weaker than an ant. Flawless logic, ain't it? :milaugh:
You simply have to accept that black blades are the peak of power in one piece world and they are reserved for only 3 individuals.
There is a reason why Nika piece is coming before the Black Blades because they are the peak of hakimen while Nika isn't even the peak among DF merchants.
 
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nik87 said:
Yes, Sanji is close to Zoro.
If he had Luffy in his team, they would be close to strong enough to beat Zoro.
But Zoro still edges them out as he has the power of 3.

If Shusui is 2nd grade for portrayal reasons, Shanks sword is not stronger than Ryuma's.
It seems there is too much cope in your arguments, whether to help Shanks or Sanji.
Either way, they are 2nd and 3rd grade fighters compared to Mihawk and Zoro.

The peak of Power of One Piece world belongs to Zoro vs Mihawk.
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no it doesnt this is just cope to try and overhype zoro and mihawk
to act like zoro is the strongest with some weird logic like that one guy I met who tried to claim that becuase zoro didnt get a tough fight till wano zoro didnt get stronger between fmi and wano or that because luffy did get tough fights that somehow makes him weaker then zoro which is ridiculous luffy getting tough fight and zoro didnt just means oda chose not to create an opponent for zoro.


in dressrosa zoro would have gotten stomped by doffy

sanji is and always has been close in strength to zoro no amount of but hype tool but zoro got a mid difff fight while sanji got stomped cope will change that fact
saturn eye's him and injured him and then proceeded to use his paralysis technique to stop him ( same thing would happen to zoro oda just avoids that to allow zoro to keep his promise.


fact is you would need to outright ignore narrative and portrayal to claim zoro was ever stronger then luffy or that sanji and zoro arent close in strength /rivals
its like claiming queen is stronger then king or that shanks is stronger then mihawk or that rayleigh was stronger then whitebeard
but zoro never gets used as a hypetool post timeskip doesnt change that fact



luffy will always be above zoro egghead island luffy stomps egghead island zoro at eos zoro will be yonko level
notice rooftop pre adv coc was able to knock kaido down and get his praise from kaido who compared him to shanks etc while rooftop zoro didnt get anything like that basically even at the start of the rooftop luffy was leages above zoro who wasnt able to cause serious damage

it took him awakening adv coc in order to get that ( praise by giving kaido a tiny scar ( he was using adv coc and he wasnt nerfed in any way damage has never been shown to nerf ap in onepiece it has only shown to effect durability )

zoro vs sanji in a 1 vs 1 fight is an extreme diff fight for zoro accept that if anything its your post that reads like cope with the attempts to pretend zoro is yonko level just because he fought against lucci


because you want to make zoro the strongest of the crew because you cant accept that a guy with a stoic badass demeanor is weaker then a guy who is goofy ( thats how one piece is ) and that his rival can be used for the worf effect and look bad ( to b
 
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Album said:
no it doesnt this is just cope to try and overhype zoro and mihawk
to act like zoro is the strongest with some weird logic like that one guy I met who tried to claim that becuase zoro didnt get a tough fight till wano zoro didnt get stronger between fmi and wano or that because luffy did get tough fights that somehow makes him weaker then zoro which is ridiculous luffy getting tough fight and zoro didnt just means oda chose not to create an opponent for zoro.


in dressrosa zoro would have gotten stomped by doffy

sanji is and always has been close in strength to zoro no amount of but hype tool but zoro got a mid difff fight while sanji got stomped cope will change that fact
saturn eye's him and injured him and then proceeded to use his paralysis technique to stop him ( same thing would happen to zoro oda just avoids that to allow zoro to keep his promise.


fact is you would need to outright ignore narrative and portrayal to claim zoro was ever stronger then luffy or that sanji and zoro arent close in strength /rivals
its like claiming queen is stronger then king or that shanks is stronger then mihawk or that rayleigh was stronger then whitebeard
but zoro never gets used as a hypetool post timeskip doesnt change that fact



luffy will always be above zoro egghead island luffy stomps egghead island zoro at eos zoro will be yonko level
notice rooftop pre adv coc was able to knock kaido down and get his praise from kaido who compared him to shanks etc while rooftop zoro didnt get anything like that basically even at the start of the rooftop luffy was leages above zoro who wasnt able to cause serious damage

it took him awakening adv coc in order to get that ( praise by giving kaido a tiny scar ( he was using adv coc and he wasnt nerfed in any way damage has never been shown to nerf ap in onepiece )
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Zoro one shots sanji.

Zoro has feats on the rooftop eos sanji can't dream of doing.
 
nik87

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#27
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Album said:
no it doesnt this is just cope to try and overhype zoro and mihawk
to act like zoro is the strongest with some weird logic like that one guy I met who tried to claim that becuase zoro didnt get a tough fight till wano zoro didnt get stronger between fmi and wano or that because luffy did get tough fights that somehow makes him weaker then zoro which is ridiculous luffy getting tough fight and zoro didnt just means oda chose not to create an opponent for zoro.


in dressrosa zoro would have gotten stomped by doffy

sanji is and always has been close in strength to zoro no amount of but hype tool but zoro got a mid difff fight while sanji got stomped cope will change that fact
saturn eye's him and injured him and then proceeded to use his paralysis technique to stop him ( same thing would happen to zoro oda just avoids that to allow zoro to keep his promise.


fact is you would need to outright ignore narrative and portrayal to claim zoro was ever stronger then luffy or that sanji and zoro arent close in strength /rivals
its like claiming queen is stronger then king or that shanks is stronger then mihawk or that rayleigh was stronger then whitebeard
but zoro never gets used as a hypetool post timeskip doesnt change that fact



luffy will always be above zoro egghead island luffy stomps egghead island zoro at eos zoro will be yonko level
notice rooftop pre adv coc was able to knock kaido down and get his praise from kaido who compared him to shanks etc while rooftop zoro didnt get anything like that basically even at the start of the rooftop luffy was leages above zoro who wasnt able to cause serious damage

it took him awakening adv coc in order to get that ( praise by giving kaido a tiny scar ( he was using adv coc and he wasnt nerfed in any way damage has never been shown to nerf ap in onepiece it has only shown to effect durability )

zoro vs sanji in a 1 vs 1 fight is an extreme diff fight for zoro accept that if anything its your post that reads like cope with the attempts to pretend zoro is yonko level just because he fought against lucci


because you want to make zoro the strongest of the crew because you cant accept that a guy with a stoic badass demeanor is weaker then a guy who is goofy ( thats how one piece is ) and that his rival can be used for the worf effect and look bad ( to b
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It seems like you cant deal with facts that Zoro and Mihawk are ultimate power of the One Piece world...
Not even mad, this is very interesting. :sanmoji:
 
nik87

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Album said:
it seems you are just trolling
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Nope.
It is factual that Yoru is the strongest weapon in the world.
Made into strongest through strongest haki in the world.
Aka Mihawk is #1. Until Zoro makes him into #2.
All others line up behind them. :luuh:
 
Brush D. Teeth

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nik87 said:
The only reason why Ryuma's blade is 2nd rank could be to establish portrayal with Mihawk so there is no doubt that Mihawk is stronger than Ryuma. Considering Ryuma's legendary strength, there really is no other logical reason why his blade is 2nd grade.
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Because Zoro obtained it when the story was still in its early stages, it couldn't be a top grade.
 
Blazing Lion

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Sentry22 said:
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You havent seen the shift? I don't remember anyone saying something like this before Wano that Mihawk might be stronger than Roger. Now you can see many people being open to this possibility. The Mihawk/Zoro fandom were even not saying things like this. I mean I think even @nik87 was not putting Mihawk as the strongest, he had Zoro above Mihawk IIRC.
 
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