Spoiler Black Clover General Spoiler Thread
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Since that's clearly going to happen on some level in the next few chapters, your ultimatum here seems pretty cringe to me.
As bad as you might think this writing is, the necessary players are definitely present to allow for 50% Lucifero's logical defeat. Especially if he stubbornly refuses to use magical attacks or use magic in any sort of interesting or hax way (like we know he can through Dante).
William has always been this sort of black box of unknown potential, especially since he was potentially going to be the next wizard king after Julius, so a sword that supposedly has "All of his magic" in it, is definitely no joke.
Yami has of course, also been somewhere near top tier as well, fighting evenly with Dante, even despite his relatively low mana level. And now, with recent chapters, it appears that he's gotten a really significant mana buff (by turning into a demon biologically) along with a sword that's also given him a significant mana buff, and since mana skin (which Yami knows) can translate mana into stats, Yami has logically received an absolutely ludicrous stat buff as well. Him being on a similar level of effectiveness to Yuno against Lucifero only makes sense. And given how Yami's magic can ignore durability, the tiny slash that he made on Lucifero would've made sense regardless of his buffs.
As for Nacht, he's finally received the character development to not be suicidal, and as we know, character development means power-ups in Black Clover. And he was already Triad level before as well, while only using one of his devils at once for union, unlike two, which he does in this chapter. And the idea that Dark magic and Shadow magic have insane levels of synergy is obvious as well, since one of them teleports but doesn't do much damage, and the other ignores durability but inherently moves really slowly.
And the final thing that you've complained about, Zora being able to stall Lucifero for a few seconds, is basically just what Zora does. Zora's trap magic is entirely about catching masses of mana (regardless of how big they are) and reflecting them with multiple times the previous force. And sure, maybe you're protesting because Lucifero came as Zora with a simple punch, but you'e got to remember, Lucifero still isn't fully manifested on earth. If we're thinking about it logically, his entire body is merely mana right now.
Black Clover is great, and it's been great. Lucifero needs better feats, definitely, but that's hardly a unique problem and the scaling is all there and all makes sense right now.
As bad as you might think this writing is, the necessary players are definitely present to allow for 50% Lucifero's logical defeat. Especially if he stubbornly refuses to use magical attacks or use magic in any sort of interesting or hax way (like we know he can through Dante).
William has always been this sort of black box of unknown potential, especially since he was potentially going to be the next wizard king after Julius, so a sword that supposedly has "All of his magic" in it, is definitely no joke.
Yami has of course, also been somewhere near top tier as well, fighting evenly with Dante, even despite his relatively low mana level. And now, with recent chapters, it appears that he's gotten a really significant mana buff (by turning into a demon biologically) along with a sword that's also given him a significant mana buff, and since mana skin (which Yami knows) can translate mana into stats, Yami has logically received an absolutely ludicrous stat buff as well. Him being on a similar level of effectiveness to Yuno against Lucifero only makes sense. And given how Yami's magic can ignore durability, the tiny slash that he made on Lucifero would've made sense regardless of his buffs.
As for Nacht, he's finally received the character development to not be suicidal, and as we know, character development means power-ups in Black Clover. And he was already Triad level before as well, while only using one of his devils at once for union, unlike two, which he does in this chapter. And the idea that Dark magic and Shadow magic have insane levels of synergy is obvious as well, since one of them teleports but doesn't do much damage, and the other ignores durability but inherently moves really slowly.
And the final thing that you've complained about, Zora being able to stall Lucifero for a few seconds, is basically just what Zora does. Zora's trap magic is entirely about catching masses of mana (regardless of how big they are) and reflecting them with multiple times the previous force. And sure, maybe you're protesting because Lucifero came as Zora with a simple punch, but you'e got to remember, Lucifero still isn't fully manifested on earth. If we're thinking about it logically, his entire body is merely mana right now.
Black Clover is great, and it's been great. Lucifero needs better feats, definitely, but that's hardly a unique problem and the scaling is all there and all makes sense right now.
The bullshit is on the same level it's always been. Same as in the elf arc, with the black bulls Gundam base. Same as in the Witches forest, with Mars redeeming Fana. Same as when Asta got his third sword. And all of these times, that level of bullshit has been considerably below most other series as well.
I'm genuinely sorry to hear that. Growing out of series you love is a very real thing. But that isn't any reason to slander.
I'm genuinely sorry to hear that. Growing out of series you love is a very real thing. But that isn't any reason to slander.
He literally just got healed by Grey transforming him back into health, like she did for Gauche last arc.
It was established against Dante that Black Moon can negate gravity magic. Yami is a fabulous counter to Lucifero.
Yeah. And?
Isn't it a good thing that everyone would be needed here?
I mean, what good would Lucifero's win here do for the plot exactly?
I only made sense that he could beat those guys. They relied on literally nothing but power after all, as if Asta's Hax didn't exist to them in terms of their strategy. And when one of them finally decided to be slightly strategic and run away (which would've 100% work btw, and given them the win low-diff) Asta had help.
The Captains are all down by this point. Have you not read the recent chapters properly? Lucifero neg-diffed them.
Their saving grace is probably going to be the lingering effects of rill's magic preventing their outright deaths.
It was established against Dante that Black Moon can negate gravity magic. Yami is a fabulous counter to Lucifero.
Yeah. And?
Isn't it a good thing that everyone would be needed here?
I mean, what good would Lucifero's win here do for the plot exactly?
I only made sense that he could beat those guys. They relied on literally nothing but power after all, as if Asta's Hax didn't exist to them in terms of their strategy. And when one of them finally decided to be slightly strategic and run away (which would've 100% work btw, and given them the win low-diff) Asta had help.
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The Captains are all down by this point. Have you not read the recent chapters properly? Lucifero neg-diffed them.
Their saving grace is probably going to be the lingering effects of rill's magic preventing their outright deaths.
If thats true, you should've called it out then. Thats when it got established. At this point, it would be more bullshit if it wasn't used.
Well unlike with Dante, Lucifero wasn't specifically targeting these peripheral Black Bulls and Rouge doesn't seem to even be trying to protect Asta.
That would've been out of character. Until literally the end of 324, he didn't even think that it was even theoretically possible for him to lose against the humans. Obviously he wouldn't've shown the threat of Yami that respect.
Lucifero's not even using his magical strength yet. You're being ridiculous.
To do what? Scratch him slightly while he's doing the equivalent of poking at insects with his finger?
In terms of magic quantity: yeah. Thats what had been confirmed, and thats kind of the theme with devils.
However, unlike the Triad, the twin devils (along with just about all the other devils we've seen) don't have any sense of strategy at all: an idea that has downright mythological precedent.
What a bullshit excuse. Dante only beat Asta when he wasn't even aware about the nature of the devil living inside of him, let alone formed a pact with him or created a union form. And in what way has non-union Asta been useful in this fight thus far?
The bulls*t you have to come up with to diss current black clover is at a higher peak than the manga's story, I'm afraid.
Well unlike with Dante, Lucifero wasn't specifically targeting these peripheral Black Bulls and Rouge doesn't seem to even be trying to protect Asta.
That would've been out of character. Until literally the end of 324, he didn't even think that it was even theoretically possible for him to lose against the humans. Obviously he wouldn't've shown the threat of Yami that respect.
Lucifero's not even using his magical strength yet. You're being ridiculous.
To do what? Scratch him slightly while he's doing the equivalent of poking at insects with his finger?
In terms of magic quantity: yeah. Thats what had been confirmed, and thats kind of the theme with devils.
However, unlike the Triad, the twin devils (along with just about all the other devils we've seen) don't have any sense of strategy at all: an idea that has downright mythological precedent.
What a bullshit excuse. Dante only beat Asta when he wasn't even aware about the nature of the devil living inside of him, let alone formed a pact with him or created a union form. And in what way has non-union Asta been useful in this fight thus far?
The bulls*t you have to come up with to diss current black clover is at a higher peak than the manga's story, I'm afraid.
Lol.
Somehow getting out of this battlefield and transporting 2 kingdoms worth of people across an uncharted sea, without any preplanning by any relevant characters, before Lucifero decides to outright nuke the place?
Now that would be bullshit.
It might end with divine intervention from angels or God or even just a previously unknown kingdom of anti-devil dwarves finally showing up to clean things up.
Or maybe it'll end in a similar way to the defeat of the Word devil, in a 7 v 1 or more while making good use of hax to bring the devil down.
Maybe a number of people will die. Probably just one though, if they go down that route.
Maybe what we have of Lucifero here wont even get destroyed, and instead, they manage to seal him somehow, and Asta does go to that foreign content to train, so that part 2 can begin later.
Somehow getting out of this battlefield and transporting 2 kingdoms worth of people across an uncharted sea, without any preplanning by any relevant characters, before Lucifero decides to outright nuke the place?
Now that would be bullshit.
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It might end with divine intervention from angels or God or even just a previously unknown kingdom of anti-devil dwarves finally showing up to clean things up.
Or maybe it'll end in a similar way to the defeat of the Word devil, in a 7 v 1 or more while making good use of hax to bring the devil down.
Maybe a number of people will die. Probably just one though, if they go down that route.
Maybe what we have of Lucifero here wont even get destroyed, and instead, they manage to seal him somehow, and Asta does go to that foreign content to train, so that part 2 can begin later.
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