Chapter Discussion Bonney is about to find out about "Nothing Happened" in Trillerbark

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Bro, read the page i just posted lmao.

Yes, he did think so. Physical pain hes endured (think about how much shit Kuma has been through) would absolutely kill her.

The point is, those memories are exactly what hes trying to keep her from finding out. They wont kill her lmao, she literally says it on the page....

You need to look at the build up of the scene has a whole. It's running in conjunction with what is currently happening to Kuma. Right now Kuma is suffering while desperately trying to climb the Redline, while at the same exact time, the scene is playing out where Bonney is about to touch his memories. Just look at the close up panel of Kuma's face, as Bonney is about to touch the bubble.

Remember, Kuma initially flat out told Vegapunk that he wouldn't give him his memories, because it was too personal. That means something must have happened to Kuma that changed his mind, and made him want to give up his memories. Vegapunk has even been going as far as telling Bonney that he swore to Kuma he'd never tell her the reason he gave up his memories. Kuma didn't do this for the sake of science. Memories hold the pain of emotional trauma. A very reasonable explanation as to why Kuma would give up his memories, when at first he was against it.

 

[Paperchampion23]

You need to look at the build up of the scene has a whole. It's running in conjunction with what is currently happening to Kuma. Right now Kuma is suffering while desperately trying to climb the Redline, while at the same exact time, the scene is playing out where Bonney is about to touch his memories. Just look at the close up panel of Kuma's face, as Bonney is about to touch the bubble.

Remember, Kuma initially flat out told Vegapunk that he wouldn't give him his memories, because it was too personal. That means something must have happened to Kuma that changed his mind, and made him want to give up his memories. Vegapunk has even been going as far as telling Bonney that he swore to Kuma he'd never tell her the reason he gave up his memories. Kuma didn't do this for the sake of science. Memories hold the pain of emotional trauma. A very reasonable explanation as to why Kuma would give up his memories, when at first he was against it.

Im not sure what any of this has to do with what i just said lol.

The difference between physical pain and memories is highlighted in the chapter

So why shouldnt I, the reader, assume Vegapunk wasnt trying to lie to Bonney and protect her from touching it with respect to physical pain? Its clearly the case since she says its not pain on the following page.

Anyway, semantics. I know what you are trying to say about emotional pain and trauma, and memories have those, but the chapter really doesnt mention this outside of shielding Bonney from the truth about his memories.


Regardless, next chapter definitely is something Oda has wanted to for a long time, explain Kuma's motivations.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Its not his pain guys. Vegapunk was lying to stop her from touching it. She said "no, i know my fathers abilities, this is memory". They are not the same thing lol. Zoro didnt get Luffys memories when he took his pain

it was a metaphor as well because its going to be all really painful memories i think

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Im not sure what any of this has to do with what i just said lol.

The difference between physical pain and memories is highlighted in the chapter

So why shouldnt I, the reader, assume Vegapunk wasnt trying to lie to Bonney and protect her from touching it with respect to physical pain? Its clearly the case since she says its not pain on the following page.

Anyway, semantics. I know what you are trying to say about emotional pain and trauma, and memories have those, but the chapter really doesnt mention this outside of shielding Bonney from the truth about his memories.


Regardless, next chapter definitely is something Oda has wanted to for a long time, explain Kuma's motivations.

Vegapunk tells Bonney that he can't divulge the information as to why Kuma gave up his memories, because it would only serve to "hurt her". He even goes as far as to say that the whole thing was hard on him, and even he wishes he could forget the entire thing.

So we should infer, that he's not lying when he tells her that the bubble is filled with pain. It's just not the type of pain, we the readers witnessed first hand back during Thriller Bark. If the truth would only hurt Bonney, and even Vegapunk wishes to forget it, then we should assume, that linked to that bubble of memories, is a very traumatic event that took place. A different type of pain, but a pain none the less.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It won’t be brought up because it’s not a moment meant to be discussed after it happened.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Vegapunk tells Bonney that he can't divulge the information as to why Kuma gave up his memories, because it would only serve to "hurt her". He even goes as far as to say that the whole thing was hard on him, and even he wishes he could forget the entire thing.

So we should infer, that he's not lying when he tells her that the bubble is filled with pain. It's just not the type of pain, we the readers witnessed first hand back during Thriller Bark. If the truth would only hurt Bonney, and even Vegapunk wishes to forget it, then we should assume, that linked to that bubble of memories, is a very traumatic event that took place. A different type of pain, but a pain none the less.

it was a metaphor as well because its going to be all really painful memories i think

She literally disagrees with him lol

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

She literally disagrees with him lol

about it being physical signals of pain, like luffy and zoro experienced, not about it being painful memories

 

[Paperchampion23]

about it being physical signals of pain, like luffy and zoro experienced, not about it being painful memories

Thats my point though lol. I know what Celestial is saying. I dont think Vegapunk is being "metaphorical" however. Hes trying to keep her away from the memories by lying and saying its physical pain. Its that simple imo

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Bruh, y'all really arguing about whether the bubble is memories or "pain" lmao. Context wise, Vegapunk was clearly lying about the bubble being pain, and Bonney is Kuma's daughter so she obviously would know the difference between memories and pain bubbles.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Maybe

Bonney’s set up to find out something that is extremely personal to her and Kuma. That’s the main issue. How does Zoro fit into that?

The only reason I can think would be as something to push her towards Luffy i.e. she sees all of Kuma’s memories, sees Kuma really respects the Strawhats and Zoro’s a major factor in that.

But ultimately the main thing she’s going to see is about her and her dad. Will she even see every aspect of Kuma’s life, or just one incident that shows why he made the decision to help Vegapunk? Can’t say for certain

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Brook was awake and he saw the whole thing.

Robin was eavesdropping.

Man, when the Risky Brother unlock Adv CoC?

I like them way more than I should, glad Lola has good Nakama.

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

No one care.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Man, when the Risky Brother unlock Adv CoC?

I like them way more than I should, glad Lola has good Nakama.

Thriller Bark has interesting side characters. Unlike Wano.

 

[Phoenix D. King]

No one care.

maybe she will see Sanjino try to get glory for doing ir but getting 1 shot by Zoro?

Bonney gonna laugh at Sanjino with everyone else

 

[Mr.Baj1o]

No one care.

good for you

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It won’t be brought up because it’s not a moment meant to be discussed after it happened.

Most likely yea i agree would be cool tho seeing a interaction between Bonney and Zoro about that Scene privately. Maybe she might runt at him for making Kuma bleed with shi shi son son

 

[Fn Lucci]

It will be as relevant as the time Yamato met his spitting image

 

[roronoa_fan]

Man, when the Risky Brother unlock Adv CoC?

I like them way more than I should, glad Lola has good Nakama.

At some point Oda should show them again and also Yosaku and Johnny

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

At some point Oda should show them again and also Yosaku and Johnny

I think the endgame will have Imu trying to destroy the world, and people all over the world fighting against him, so, at the least, I think we'll see Yosaku and Johnny defending Cocoyasi from invaders.

"Great cleansing" implies the whole world will be in danger.

 

[GodofDarkness]

The crazy part is, is Bonney is about to take in all of Kumas pain.... I have a feeling he suffered something massive in order to cause him to do what he did. How is this going to play out once she sticks her hands in there.

Haki bloom

 

[vikas]

Robin heared two dudes talking and brook Was awake whole time and also saw sanji rushing to Marimo kun

The two dudes were telling it to Sanji and robin overheard it.