Controversial Brago Spoke Privately With Vincent Chansard, Context For Luffy Vs Kizaru

[Fujishiro]

It took some time but finally fans are getting clarity. Oda outright showed Shanks and Garp both using ACoC attacks with CoC fodder ko and curved trails + ACoA emission, why would he not do the same for Goofy/Zoro?

@HeroesNZ we had a convo about this and I told you Goofy wasn’t using ACoC in Egghead. This further solidifies it if Vincent’s orders came from the man himself

Luffy used it in the kick and WSG come on now.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

who? dafuq is vincent charizard

 

[Ven437]

Luffy used it in the kick and WSG come on now.

Oops I misread, so he did use ACoC with WSG but only that? still catching up on all the notifs from being away

 

[ShadowStyle369]

skip to 9:25

 

[RyoQ]

Chansard was told by “above” (might be Oda) that Luffy didn’t use ACOC in Gear 5 outside of WSG.

Luffy used AdCoC against Kizaru (did no damage)

Kizaru wasn't trying

We win

 

[Fujishiro]

Luffy used AdCoC against Kizaru (did no damage)

Kizaru wasn't trying

We win

WSG isn’t meant to damage, another W coming from me. It’s meant to stun.

skip to 9:25

@EmperorKinyagi

 

[SakazOuki]

Why are these clowns acting like the opinions of whoever tf these guys are, be they animators directors or editors means jack shit
Wasn't this vincent guy writing articles about his own interpretation of the manga thinking he's Oda or something lol

 

[Fujishiro]

Why are these clowns acting like the opinions of whoever tf these guys are, be they animators directors or editors means jack shit
Wasn't this vincent guy writing articles about his own interpretation of the manga thinking he's Oda or something lol

*Checks avy* Smoking is bad for your health.

 

[RyoQ]

WSG isn’t meant to damage, another W coming from me. It’s meant to stun.

Kinda seeing a contradiction

Though I also hold that WSG was to stun, not damage...

Animator says WSG had AdvCoC

Yet Animation seems to imply it was merely a "stun" move?

 

[Fujishiro]

Kinda seeing a contradiction

Though I also hold that WSG was to stun, not damage...

Animator says WSG had AdvCoC

Yet Animation seems to imply it was merely a "stun" move?

Wasnt there red lightning when it hit Kizaru and went through inside his head? Gotta check the anime panel again one second brother.

Edit: Yeah here it is, ACoc was used for added impact Id guess but the move itself doesnt damage imo its like those old cartoons where they hit each other and see stars/are stunned. Which would explain Kizaru being immobile for a bit before being able to move and feed Luffy.

 

[SakazukiTheFist]

Why are these clowns acting like the opinions of whoever tf these guys are, be they animators directors or editors means jack shit
Wasn't this vincent guy writing articles about his own interpretation of the manga thinking he's Oda or something lol

Wym, he his clearly Oda, and we shoud take is opinion as canon.

 

[Fujishiro]

Wym, he his clearly Oda, and we shoud take is opinion as canon.

Damn bro, I havent seen you in a while.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Why are these clowns acting like the opinions of whoever tf these guys are, be they animators directors or editors means jack shit
Wasn't this vincent guy writing articles about his own interpretation of the manga thinking he's Oda or something lol

I mean it’s not that’s it’s from him it’s his bosses

Also this is a W, Kizaru and Luffy both sandbagging but look relative thus same level

 

[SakazOuki]

Wym, he his clearly Oda, and we shoud take is opinion as canon.

Not even Oda’s words are held in such high regard

 

[Fujishiro]

I mean it’s not that’s it’s from him it’s his bosses

Also this is a W, Kizaru and Luffy both sandbagging but look relative thus same level

AkA the thing Ive said for years.

Admirals and Emperor are relative with some variations. High to extreme in any case depending on matchup.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Wym, he his clearly Oda, and we shoud take is opinion as canon.

Not even Oda's words are held this highly

In the clip he says he went to his bosses and literally said “it doesn’t make sense for Luffy to not use ACoC here” (9:25)

It’s not the animator here someone higher up at Toei is making the calls

 

[SakazukiTheFist]

Not even Oda's words are held in this regard

I remember everyone disproving the SBS a few months back that directly came from Oda, these people aren't real.

I mean it’s not that’s it’s from him it’s his bosses

Also this is a W, Kizaru and Luffy both sandbagging but look relative thus same level

It doesn't matter who they are, they read the manga as we do and have opinions as we all do, we don't go around and claim each others opinions as proof and canon to the manga do we?

And I say this no matter if it's Admirals, Yonkos or any fandom related.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I remember everyone disproving the SBS a few months back that directly came from Oda, these people aren't real.



It doesn't matter who they are, they read the manga as we do and have opinions as we all do, we don't go around and claim each others opinions as proof and canon to the manga do we?

And I say this no matter if it's Admirals, Yonkos or any fandom related.

I mean doesn’t one of the directors at Toei literally know the ending of one piece in case Oda dies?

 

[Fujishiro]

I remember everyone disproving the SBS a few months back that directly came from Oda, these people aren't real.



It doesn't matter who they are, they read the manga as we do and have opinions as we all do, we don't go around and claim each others opinions as proof and canon to the manga do we?

And I say this no matter if it's Admirals, Yonkos or any fandom related.

I remember we had this exact debate before, what do you think. Was Luffy holding back like Kizaru and was trying to keep him from going after Vp until they escaped and Kizaru kept trying to ignore Luffy and go after Luffy and not really fight him? Cause that was how I read the ''fight''.

I mean doesn’t one of the directors at Toei literally know the ending of one piece in case Oda dies?

Is this true?

 

[SakazukiTheFist]

I mean doesn’t one of the directors at Toei literally know the ending of one piece in case Oda dies?

No, that’s the editors.

Oda already stated he doesn’t work with the anime scene unless it’s for designs about the manga.

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I remember we had this exact debate before, what do you think. Was Luffy holding back like Kizaru and was trying to keep him from going after Vp until they escaped and Kizaru kept trying to ignore Luffy and go after Luffy and not really fight him? Cause that was how I read the ''fight''.

Not even Oda knows at this point.