WB is not Garp, and neither is a particular translation of Garp’s statement supposed to be a precise measure of his power. The Gura fruit also has no such limitation with age.
And no, what you consider is irrelevant when the manga itself and the characters have WB above every other Yonko, even after he died. You’d have to provide what made the likes of Bog Mom stronger than WB in the first place.
It’s likely going to be the same old pretense that strength is dependent on only 1 stat or ignoring the context of disparate situations to pretend they are the same. I’m open to you surprising me, but these tired old arguments almost always end up being that predictable.
You are the one thinking about anime filler. Unsurprisingly, that is the go-to resort of everyone trying to downplay the situation. It’s literally like clockwork:
1. You ignore the 1st fight completely because you don’t like the implications.
2. You ignore the context of the 2nd fight because it’s inconvenient for you that it begins with an attack from behind.
Like I said, predictable.
Next you are now pretending like a free shot to the back of the head doesn’t matter. Yet if it were Akainu that were hitting the back of WB’s head and melted it, you’d be the first to cry bloody murder about how it’s so unfair. Disgusting.
You simply can’t ignore it because a 2nd hit wouldn’t even be needed if the positions were reversed, so there’s no sweeping it under the rug.
The fact that Akainu could endure the first hit to retaliate only works in his favour. Poor Oden couldn’t do the same after Kaido clubbed him from behind with a weaker attack.
Big Mom sacrificed a year of her life after 2 injured Supernova did the same to her.
Your disingenuousness is just painfully transparent. If Akainu didn’t get up from the first hit then it’s a bad thing and he’s weak….but Akainu getting up from it doesn’t matter, so it’s still bad for him. Get real.
Trying to downplay his retaliation doesn’t work either: he didn’t just do damage, he did fatal damage. He made it so that it was guaranteed to kill WB regardless of whatever happened afterwards.
He fell into the chasm that opened up but stopped himself from falling into the sea, then burrowed his way underground to catch up to Jimbe who had been running away with Luffy and even managed to cut them off anyway.
That is not a two shot any more than Robin rolling Big Mom off of Onigashima is a one shot. Or the Supernova combo to knock her off the rooftop was a two shot.
Ah…and there’s the predictable dishonest excuse: WB would dodge it. Nice try. We all know why you’re avoiding it because you know precisely what would happen if Akainu were the one hitting him.
Who said anything about “prime” either? Old WB was still a Yonko…so unless you are going to try and ignore that too, there’s no escape for you there.
Ah…details of the fight are now meaningless too when they disprove your silly claims. So predictable.
There’s also the pretense that anyone else in Akainu’s position would do much better. Did you think that Oda was going to have Akainu kill Ace and then WB afterwards so he’d be free to kill Luffy and One Piece ends? Nice try.
All that shows is that Akainu is a caliber of opponent that can get blindsided by the top pirate and still nearly accomplish his goal anyway of killing his target. Even needing to be blindsided to be taken out temporarily because the author couldn’t do it in a direct way says it all.
By your reasoning, Kaido & Big Mom losing to rookies is far worse portrayal since “details of the fight are meaningless.”
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Lmao at you trying to use “kid” unironically when your arguments are so childish, even 12 year olds would be appalled.
“The details don’t matter”…you want people to believe that an adult tried an excuse that transparent?
You also show an accompanying puerile comprehension. No one said that the Navy being stronger is due to only Akainu’s strength, that’s silly. It just exposes the claim that the current Admirals are much weaker than the past ones like Sengoku is baseless.
Why would the Navy randomly drop their standards in the first place? What sort of sense did that make to you?
We even have one of the recent Admirals (now former Admiral) shown to match the physical strength of one of those legendary figures, Garp. I’ll pre-empt the predictable attempt to whine that “are you saying he’s exactly as powerful as Garp” with the point that they are simply at comparative levels, regardless of how much that galls you.
Trying to pretend that anyone getting hit directly in the head with a Gura quake from an enraged WB wouldn’t be staggered….or that getting hit by an island-splitting quake wouldn’t fall into a chasm that opens up doesn’t fool anyone with the ability to reason their way out of a paper bag.
Not only it's common in this series for characters to ditch their strongest attacks when they're at the end of their rope (The MC does it all the time) , but WB's assault on Akainu was clearly mean to be his last hurrah, WB giving his all and using all of his strenght against the guy who killed Ace.
-Chapter's title is "Voiceless Rage"
-The panels before WB punches Akainu show a panel of an enraged WB put next to a panel of a dead Ace, with WB's veins popping out of his face.
-Fodders point out that their pops is really mad
-Whitebeard does not speak a single word in his confrontation with Akainu (see chapter title)
-Sengoku is shocked that WB still had that much strenght left in him
I don't see any reason to believe any other character would take it better than Akainu in the exact same scenario.
the cope is insane .
You realize luffy can sense power level by coO like DBZ guys sense power level with ki .
‘It is simple as luffy sense very powerful guy is kizaru which he saw the light.
Luffy's not going to sweat an admiral and hrs not going to call him somebody powerful he'd say it was somebody they remember. The entire crew knows who kizaru is and old Rayleigh was holding him off handedly. Same Rayleigh who's weary of blackbeard
But this way you are denying manga feats and traits.
Kizaru was never the type of fighting like that. He can attack from mid/long range but he is constantly going to close range and having his kicks or sometimes even his light sword.
And like I said Kaido showed good flight speed too. Not that he is suppose to keep up with Kizaru but there is a huge gap between what him and Big Mom showed.
And about Greenbull and Fujitora they can attack from distance. Greenbull roots may not go long distance as Kizaru's beams but at least mid range he can play with. And Fujitora... Please the guy invokes meteors from ridiculous distances. And he controls gravity he can slow down or speed up others with that.
He can go melee ofc, but would he do that against Kaido? It's a fact that Kizaru can use those ranged attacks. This is enough to make my statement correct.
Every top tiers in any shounen action manga will be made to have both melee & ranged. That's not the point. It's about Fuji & GB being effective, or safe, fighting in melee & ranged to deal with enemy in my scenario, compared to Kizaru. They are less effective & as mobile as him.
Again, my whole point is always "Is Kizaru faster & more mobile in the air than Kaido? Yes. Can Kizaru attack & have named attack from/at range? Yes. Thus, he can deal with Kaido & BM, or anyone for that matter, safely." Hence why he said that to Akainu.
the cope is insane .
You realize luffy can sense power level by coO like DBZ guys sense power level with ki .
‘It is simple as luffy sense very powerful guy is kizaru which he saw the light.
Luffy's face tells me he senses somebody unexpected and worrying. And trust me with the m3 there they aren't that worried over kizaru. Imo luffy sensed Saturn or another plot twist.
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People think luffy can defeat the world's strongest man and fodderize the strongest cp0 agent but will get overwhelmed by an admiral.
He can go melee ofc, but would he do that against Kaido? It's a fact that Kizaru can use those ranged attacks. This is enough to make my statement correct.
Every top tiers in any shounen action manga will be made to have both melee & ranged. That's not the point. It's about Fuji & GB being effective, or safe, fighting in melee & ranged to deal with enemy in my scenario, compared to Kizaru. They are less effective & as mobile as him.
Again, my whole point is always "Is Kizaru faster & more mobile in the air than Kaido? Yes. Can Kizaru attack & have named attack from/at range? Yes. Thus, he can deal with Kaido & BM, or anyone for that matter, safely." Hence why he said that to Akainu.
Uh, your replies are all over the place, now I suspect that you didn't follow my first reply until now and just trolling me 😑
Let me remind you about our line of discussion : You said Kizaru can deal with Kaido & BM, then my reply is agreeing with you because he is an effective aerial fighter, they will have a hard time hitting him.
You already validate & agree with my reply in this comment :
Yeah because he is not dumb. He knows the danger of 1vs2-ing two Emperors. What if he went melee, BM grabs him, and Kaido Thunder Bagua him over and over? That's unnecessary risk. Even Kidd knows that Kaido & BM needs to be separated. Hence, ranged attacks / range battle.
> and you can't use the same logic with GB and Fujitora???
Who said they can't? I said they're less effective.
Uh, your replies are all over the place, now I suspect that you didn't follow my first reply until now and just trolling me 😑
Let me remind you about our line of discussion : You said Kizaru can deal with Kaido & BM, then my reply is agreeing with you because he is an effective aerial fighter, they will have a hard time hitting him.
You already validate & agree with my reply in this comment :
Yeah because he is not dumb. He knows the danger of 1vs2-ing two Emperors. What if he went melee, BM grabs him, and Kaido Thunder Bagua him over and over? That's unnecessary risk. Even Kidd knows that Kaido & BM needs to be separated. Hence, ranged attacks / range battle.
> and you can't use the same logic with GB and Fujitora???
Who said they can't? I said they're less effective.
Well, imagine this. Kizaru kicks Kaido's head, Kaido tried to bite him, but he already is in his stomach area spamming lasers. Then Kaido turns & moves his head to the back, only for Kizaru to be elsewhere again. Think the near climax of Law vs Big Mom in the anime, something like that. 🤣
Kizaru is shown fighting close distance before because he has the advantage, like the enemy is weaker. If you fight someone stronger, you'll try to maximize your benefit & advantages.
Nah, his personality is just lazy.
Oh, again, they can, it's just less effective because their mobility is lower than Kizaru.
Part of why Kizaru confidently say that he can deal with Kaido & BM is that if the worst thing happens, he can just escape safely.
Well, imagine this. Kizaru kicks Kaido's head, Kaido tried to bite him, but he already is in his stomach area spamming lasers. Then Kaido turns & moves his head to the back, only for Kizaru to be elsewhere again.
You're arguing with a Kizaru avatar. I swear they are all biased lately. Their grandpa who they very much idolize is about to fight with the MC, so they hope for the best performance.
I can't remember who Kizaru really defeated in the past in a fight. Hard to gauge his true strength. We can also make the comparison to other admirals maybe. Sakazuki got promoted before Kizaru, so it's easy to argue that he's actually stronger than Kizaru.
Kizaru defeated Arlong, so there's already a chance he might be stronger than Usopp!
He need 5+ minutes to almost kill a Zoro that's on the ground and can't move at all:
At marineford, Kizaru charges up on Luffy while he's on the floor, kicks him and still doesn't manage to kill. Idk maybe he'll just lose while charging up, because he often needs to charge up before delivering a blow. Sorry Kizaru boys, but the others won't wait for this guy to charge up on EggHead, they mean business. Grandpa should retire into a nursing home, he has enough money to pay for it too.
These were all PRE TIME SKIP! Kizaru is ripe for defeat. His light will barely power a small LED after this.
You're arguing with a Kizaru avatar. I swear they are all biased lately. Their grandpa who they very much idolize is about to fight with the MC, so they hope for the best performance.
I can't remember who Kizaru really defeated in the past in a fight. Hard to gauge his true strength. We can also make the comparison to other admirals maybe. Sakazuki got promoted before Kizaru, so it's easy to argue that he's actually stronger than Kizaru.
Kizaru defeated Arlong, so there's already a chance he might be stronger than Usopp!
He need 5+ minutes to almost kill a Zoro that's on the ground and can't move at all:
At marineford, Kizaru charges up on Luffy while he's on the floor, kicks him and still doesn't manage to kill. Idk maybe he'll just lose while charging up, because he often needs to charge up before delivering a blow. Sorry Kizaru boys, but the others won't wait for this guy to charge up on EggHead, they mean business. Grandpa should retire into a nursing home, he has enough money to pay for it too.
These were all PRE TIME SKIP! Kizaru is ripe for defeat. His light will barely power a small LED after this.
1. obviously no
2. hoping for kizaru offscreen, chapter starts with Saturn taking his shirt off to fight. Luffy defeats Kizaru either way. I don't see why the others would step in or have to step in.
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