Chapter Discussion Calm your tits. Luffys not talking about Kizaru.

BlackLegFring

BlackLegFring

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#161
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RebelliousSoma said:
You're arguing with a Kizaru avatar. I swear they are all biased lately. Their grandpa who they very much idolize is about to fight with the MC, so they hope for the best performance.

I can't remember who Kizaru really defeated in the past in a fight. Hard to gauge his true strength. We can also make the comparison to other admirals maybe. Sakazuki got promoted before Kizaru, so it's easy to argue that he's actually stronger than Kizaru.

Kizaru defeated Arlong, so there's already a chance he might be stronger than Usopp!

He need 5+ minutes to almost kill a Zoro that's on the ground and can't move at all:

At marineford, Kizaru charges up on Luffy while he's on the floor, kicks him and still doesn't manage to kill. Idk maybe he'll just lose while charging up, because he often needs to charge up before delivering a blow. Sorry Kizaru boys, but the others won't wait for this guy to charge up on EggHead, they mean business. Grandpa should retire into a nursing home, he has enough money to pay for it too.

These were all PRE TIME SKIP! Kizaru is ripe for defeat. His light will barely power a small LED after this.
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Comments like this will never not be funny. Talking about bias then going on to attack Kizaru directly as if he stepped out of the manga to insult your mom.
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Djordje

Djordje

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#164
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BlackLegFring said:
WB is not Garp, and neither is a particular translation of Garp’s statement supposed to be a precise measure of his power. The Gura fruit also has no such limitation with age.

And no, what you consider is irrelevant when the manga itself and the characters have WB above every other Yonko, even after he died. You’d have to provide what made the likes of Bog Mom stronger than WB in the first place.
It’s likely going to be the same old pretense that strength is dependent on only 1 stat or ignoring the context of disparate situations to pretend they are the same. I’m open to you surprising me, but these tired old arguments almost always end up being that predictable.

You are the one thinking about anime filler. Unsurprisingly, that is the go-to resort of everyone trying to downplay the situation. It’s literally like clockwork:
1. You ignore the 1st fight completely because you don’t like the implications.
2. You ignore the context of the 2nd fight because it’s inconvenient for you that it begins with an attack from behind.
Like I said, predictable.

Next you are now pretending like a free shot to the back of the head doesn’t matter. Yet if it were Akainu that were hitting the back of WB’s head and melted it, you’d be the first to cry bloody murder about how it’s so unfair. Disgusting.
You simply can’t ignore it because a 2nd hit wouldn’t even be needed if the positions were reversed, so there’s no sweeping it under the rug.
The fact that Akainu could endure the first hit to retaliate only works in his favour. Poor Oden couldn’t do the same after Kaido clubbed him from behind with a weaker attack.
Big Mom sacrificed a year of her life after 2 injured Supernova did the same to her.

Your disingenuousness is just painfully transparent. If Akainu didn’t get up from the first hit then it’s a bad thing and he’s weak….but Akainu getting up from it doesn’t matter, so it’s still bad for him. Get real.
Trying to downplay his retaliation doesn’t work either: he didn’t just do damage, he did fatal damage. He made it so that it was guaranteed to kill WB regardless of whatever happened afterwards.
He fell into the chasm that opened up but stopped himself from falling into the sea, then burrowed his way underground to catch up to Jimbe who had been running away with Luffy and even managed to cut them off anyway.

That is not a two shot any more than Robin rolling Big Mom off of Onigashima is a one shot. Or the Supernova combo to knock her off the rooftop was a two shot.

Ah…and there’s the predictable dishonest excuse: WB would dodge it. Nice try. We all know why you’re avoiding it because you know precisely what would happen if Akainu were the one hitting him.
Who said anything about “prime” either? Old WB was still a Yonko…so unless you are going to try and ignore that too, there’s no escape for you there.

Ah…details of the fight are now meaningless too when they disprove your silly claims. So predictable.
There’s also the pretense that anyone else in Akainu’s position would do much better. Did you think that Oda was going to have Akainu kill Ace and then WB afterwards so he’d be free to kill Luffy and One Piece ends? Nice try.
All that shows is that Akainu is a caliber of opponent that can get blindsided by the top pirate and still nearly accomplish his goal anyway of killing his target. Even needing to be blindsided to be taken out temporarily because the author couldn’t do it in a direct way says it all.
By your reasoning, Kaido & Big Mom losing to rookies is far worse portrayal since “details of the fight are meaningless.”
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Lmao at you trying to use “kid” unironically when your arguments are so childish, even 12 year olds would be appalled.
“The details don’t matter”…you want people to believe that an adult tried an excuse that transparent?

You also show an accompanying puerile comprehension. No one said that the Navy being stronger is due to only Akainu’s strength, that’s silly. It just exposes the claim that the current Admirals are much weaker than the past ones like Sengoku is baseless.
Why would the Navy randomly drop their standards in the first place? What sort of sense did that make to you?

We even have one of the recent Admirals (now former Admiral) shown to match the physical strength of one of those legendary figures, Garp. I’ll pre-empt the predictable attempt to whine that “are you saying he’s exactly as powerful as Garp” with the point that they are simply at comparative levels, regardless of how much that galls you.

Trying to pretend that anyone getting hit directly in the head with a Gura quake from an enraged WB wouldn’t be staggered….or that getting hit by an island-splitting quake wouldn’t fall into a chasm that opens up doesn’t fool anyone with the ability to reason their way out of a paper bag.

Grow up, it’s 2023.
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When I said details of fight are irrelevant it was because I didnt want to go into them given circumstances in entire marineford regarding Whitebeard but you also ignore them because it doesnt fit your point so you just avoid them.

First of all Whitebeard before facing Akainu was already heavily damaged by dozens of sword wounds , direct sword to the heart, shots from guns , direct shots from cannons at head which were shown on panel. Whitebeard is not logia type so all those wounds did real damage to his body. But yeah lets just ignore them because it does not suit you.

Second Whitebeard Haki at that point was at extremely low level. His observation haki went from allowing him to dodge attacks in his sleep to completely failing to dodge attack that was directly stated that he should be able to. His conqueror was non existent too .

Manga clearly show us that if Haki is not strong enough it will not overcome Devil fruit. So its perfectly understandable why Akainu was able to tanks hits from a guy who could barely even use his Haki anymore. But yes lets just ignore that.

Third manga heavily told us that WHitebeard has fallen low , from not being able to dodge attacks he should had , to his health detorioration , to Crocodile literally calling him pathetic and couple other mentioning his weak fighting performance due to old age/ sickness .

So in summary we have Whitebeard literally called pathetic and mocked in manga , heavily damaged by dozens wounds . and barely able to use Haki demolishing Akainu , and yet you use this as example to praise Akainu might. Hahaha get real kid.
 
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