Break Week Can we agree that the Nika DF retcon means that Ace died for nothing?

What did Ace die for?


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#42
Like the title says.

Do you think Ace died for nothing since if Akainu had killed Luffy, Nika would have awakened anyway, which means Lolda is factually a fraud? :milaugh:

Or do you think Ace still died for something because even Nika would have been killed by Papazuki? :suresure:

Which is it?

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It was said that Nika hadn't awaken for 800 years, only Luffy awakend it. That's similar to the "nobody tamed Enma BS" so it depends how you interpret it.
 
#43
These kind of threads show exactly how stupid the people reading and hating on One Piece are. This is a dumb thread and it amazes me that you believe it to be legitimate. Did you miss what Kaido said about what an Awakening was and how it is obtained? Did you miss what the Gorosei said about the fruit not awakening for 800 years? Luffy would have died. It is like Oda has to spell every single thing out for you clowns.
 
#44
These kind of threads show exactly how stupid the people reading and hating on One Piece are. This is a dumb thread and it amazes me that you believe it to be legitimate. Did you miss what Kaido said about what an Awakening was and how it is obtained? Did you miss what the Gorosei said about the fruit not awakening for 800 years? Luffy would have died. It is like Oda has to spell every single thing out for you clowns.
Kaido spelled it out and road to laugh tale reinstated and mfs still think its like a zenkai boost :fujilaugh: and like some other dude mentioned, a heart that beats like a drum wont save you from a gapin hole on your chest :laughmoji:
 
#45
Unless there is a direct statement from the story that there is a different level of difficulty to awaken each fruit, your opinions are speculative. Not bad, but not necessarily something I can agree with at the moment. Thanks for your 2 cents, though.

For @Charlotte Horchata's last point:

If Nika can shape his body however he wants, why wouldn't it revive Luffy after being melted by Akainu?
Hmm imo the fact that it spanned 800 years and non-Awakened Luffy need to be far stronger in overall powerlevel and far more creative than Awakened Kata or Doffy, to the point of being a Skysplitter just to unlock its Awakening, already means nothing else but that stuff being far harder tho imo. Sorry if i derail the magma chad thread lol
 
#48
Unless there is a direct statement from the story that there is a different level of difficulty to awaken each fruit, your opinions are speculative. Not bad, but not necessarily something I can agree with at the moment. Thanks for your 2 cents, though.

For @Charlotte Horchata's last point:

If Nika can shape his body however he wants, why wouldn't it revive Luffy after being melted by Akainu?
The Gorosei never thought Luffy would reach world class yonko level.
There is specific emphasis placed on the severe need to kill Luffy after they find out he has reached that level to prevent him awakening, if severe yonko level strength was not required to awaken it, then they'd have had the urgency to kill him earlier, because it is the most ridiculous ability in the world.

To the last point it wouldn't revive Luffy in his unawakened state, but now that he has awakened, in G5 he would just toon force himself out of the damage anyway as he did with boro breath and ridiculously powerful adv Coc blows.
 
#49
They merged with their DF's animal soul. That's the point of Zoan awakening

Don't know why people don't wanna accept it, is it because it's not "cool"?
Even if that was the case, I see no reason why merging with your DF's animal soul should turn you into a permanently retarded beast. One thing is Luffy becoming jollier in "awakened form" because of Nika's personality (in other words, gaining an animal trait), but another one is losing your intelligence because you awakened your cow fruit (in other words, losing a base trait).

I couldn't give less shits about "cool" stuff.

I see. So, in other words, you don't think Nika can create something out of nothing?
Indeed. Do we have any proof that he can?
 

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#50
Whoa, Crocodile being awakened was not debatable, though. And what does that even mean that the Jailers did not naturally achieve their awakening? It's a stretch (pun intended) to say thay Luffy's mind and body did not catch up to his powers considering he was using the Nika DF with much better mastery than the Jailer Beasts using their DF (which instead made them mindless).
I wish we saw Croco's awakening, that would have been intense :josad:
 
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