General & Others Can We Wait A Few Chapters Before Seriously Comparing Kaido And Kizaru
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Kaidou could not even perceive where Snakeman punches were coming from? Why are you rewriting the manga.
Just because Kaidou tagged G5 doesn't erase confirmed facts. It just means tagging G5 is not what you think it means. Snakeman is like infinite punches coming from multiple angles, continuously changing direction, picking up speed as they go. It is absolutely harder to deal with for Kaidou than doing this:
Kaidou being used as a tool to showcase Luffy's newfound durability doesn't somehow erase a set precedent in the manga
Not to mention reaction speed, striking speed, and movement speed are 3 sub categories of speed. What you are referring to is striking speed only.
G5 had no trouble tagging Kaidou, whereas G5 had tons of trouble tagging Kizaru, to the point where he could only land a single attack against him. As far as Kizaru not being able to land, majority of the fight was offpanel but also Kizaru was not focused on fighting Luffy.
We know Kaidou couldn't react to Snakeman at all without FS, and we know his movement speed was not enough to allow him to just escape the barrage. These are both things Kizaru clearly did. He gaps Kaidou by a significant margin in those 2 areas, at best you can argue for attack speed, but even there with Kizaru's accelerated kick, Luffy with FS could not react when Kizaru was over an island away so it bests Kaidou's best speed feat in this area whatever it is.
Just because Kaidou tagged G5 doesn't erase confirmed facts. It just means tagging G5 is not what you think it means. Snakeman is like infinite punches coming from multiple angles, continuously changing direction, picking up speed as they go. It is absolutely harder to deal with for Kaidou than doing this:
Kaidou being used as a tool to showcase Luffy's newfound durability doesn't somehow erase a set precedent in the manga
Not to mention reaction speed, striking speed, and movement speed are 3 sub categories of speed. What you are referring to is striking speed only.
G5 had no trouble tagging Kaidou, whereas G5 had tons of trouble tagging Kizaru, to the point where he could only land a single attack against him. As far as Kizaru not being able to land, majority of the fight was offpanel but also Kizaru was not focused on fighting Luffy.
We know Kaidou couldn't react to Snakeman at all without FS, and we know his movement speed was not enough to allow him to just escape the barrage. These are both things Kizaru clearly did. He gaps Kaidou by a significant margin in those 2 areas, at best you can argue for attack speed, but even there with Kizaru's accelerated kick, Luffy with FS could not react when Kizaru was over an island away so it bests Kaidou's best speed feat in this area whatever it is.
Kizaru ain't got FS as far as we know though, you say it as if Kizaru was holding back his speed and could've used FS at any time but didn't, what we saw was his max lil bro.
Kaido blitzed Snakeman and then he went on to blitz Gear 5, something Kizaru was incapable of, in fact he couldn't land anything on G5, which Kaido did many times.
Kaido blitzed Snakeman and then he went on to blitz Gear 5, something Kizaru was incapable of, in fact he couldn't land anything on G5, which Kaido did many times.
And still failed to tag Kizaru during G5 until the very very last second, while he was tagging Kaidou anytime he wanted.
Luffy needed to go G5, because Snakeman's movement speed does not allow him to play tag with Kizaru, he has no shot at keeping up with a Kizaru travelling around the island at light speed or w.e. G5 offers max speed in all departments. Snakeman lacks G5's movement speed, but it doesn't take anything away from Snakeman's attack rate and angles of attack, you're acting like Kaidou could deal with Snakeman, when he couldn't even perceive that ish, I don't think you understand how ridiculous that is.
As for movement speed, and attack speed. If Kaidou was fast enough he could pull this off with raw speed.
Here we have Luffy attempting a snakeman barrage, Kizaru is literally miles and miles away from the island before Luffy even notices he's not infront of him. This is on an entirely different level from Kaidou who couldn't escape Snakeman's onslaught.
Then Kizaru miles away from the island, blitzed FS Luffy without Luffy being able to do a thing about it. Another feat well above anything Kaidou showed in terms of movement/attack speed.
Oda literally gifted Kaidou FS, because he couldn't come up with a speed based solution for Kaidou to escape the Snakeman onslaught. You look like an imbecile trying to argue this.
Luffy needed to go G5, because Snakeman's movement speed does not allow him to play tag with Kizaru, he has no shot at keeping up with a Kizaru travelling around the island at light speed or w.e. G5 offers max speed in all departments. Snakeman lacks G5's movement speed, but it doesn't take anything away from Snakeman's attack rate and angles of attack, you're acting like Kaidou could deal with Snakeman, when he couldn't even perceive that ish, I don't think you understand how ridiculous that is.
As for movement speed, and attack speed. If Kaidou was fast enough he could pull this off with raw speed.
Here we have Luffy attempting a snakeman barrage, Kizaru is literally miles and miles away from the island before Luffy even notices he's not infront of him. This is on an entirely different level from Kaidou who couldn't escape Snakeman's onslaught.
Then Kizaru miles away from the island, blitzed FS Luffy without Luffy being able to do a thing about it. Another feat well above anything Kaidou showed in terms of movement/attack speed.
Oda literally gifted Kaidou FS, because he couldn't come up with a speed based solution for Kaidou to escape the Snakeman onslaught. You look like an imbecile trying to argue this.
Very good point, Oda doesn't even like drawing fights. If an attack is not doing significant damage or landing, I don't think he's bothering to draw all that extra jazz out of pure laziness.
Through character statements it makes little sense for Luffy to not attack the indestructible beings with his strongest form of haki when he can.
Through character statements it makes little sense for Luffy to not attack the indestructible beings with his strongest form of haki when he can.
