General & Others Chapter 890 is the most embarrassing moment for a Top Tier in the ENTIRE series.
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I think people get caught up with power scaling too much in the scenes you mentioned.
Oda will ALWAYS display such things even with the top tiers for a specific goal he has in his mind either for plot purposes, or making a character shine, or protect characters from getting killed..etc!
Oda's concern with power scaling ONLY matters when it's a complete 1 vs 1 full match with an outcome! AND STILL, even then, Oda has constantly showed characters who progress mid-fight and turn from being the underdog into the winner of the match. Not to mention character traits also affect plot. For example, someone trollish like Kizaru can stay trolling for hours before finishing an enemy off rather than a hot-headed one like Akainu.
Also, Oda in my opinion makes power scaling very ambiguous with such moments BECAUSE it will make it easier for him to play with the plot if power scaling is not his major concern.
What I mean by that, if power scaling is the biggest major concern and not the plot itself, then it will make it hard for oda to make the enemy slip or make mistakes, and vise versa with main characters slipping and making the enemy get the upper hand which sometimes does NOT make sense considering we know what our crew is capable of doing.
So, I think Oda on purpose sometimes ignores the logic of power scaling simply because he wants his story to be more fluid and more easily manipulated so that no character is stronger than the plot itself hahaha.
Plot will always triumph over power scaling with One Piece
With that being said, Mihawk getting stalled by Vista was meant for:
1- Oda to make Vista shine, which reflects on WB commanders since Oda is making them shine in that arc
2- For Luffy to progress
Not to mention even Crocodile "who should be even weaker than Vista stalled Mihawk as well and never got defeated. for the same two reasons I mentioned above, Crocodile was shining in that war like a diamond, and he made Luffy progress.
It's one and the same for WB being able to attack Akainu after Ace's death, when in reality Kizaru was not allowing him before, where the fuck did Kizaru vanish? It's simply plot, Kizaru went missing, it was Oda's goal to make us see WB rampage after Ace's death.
Oda loves his story to be more easily manipulated and malleable, that's how he writes his story, and with BM and SH in that chapter was also the same, it showcased the SH crew shining as well as not allowing Big Mom to kill them cause the story is about SH crew hahaha
Which is why I think it's wrong to judge a character strength in anything other than a COMPLETE 1 vs 1 fight with a legitimate victor and clear outcome. Other than that, we can take guesses for their levels, but no guaratee of being true
Oda will ALWAYS display such things even with the top tiers for a specific goal he has in his mind either for plot purposes, or making a character shine, or protect characters from getting killed..etc!
Oda's concern with power scaling ONLY matters when it's a complete 1 vs 1 full match with an outcome! AND STILL, even then, Oda has constantly showed characters who progress mid-fight and turn from being the underdog into the winner of the match. Not to mention character traits also affect plot. For example, someone trollish like Kizaru can stay trolling for hours before finishing an enemy off rather than a hot-headed one like Akainu.
Also, Oda in my opinion makes power scaling very ambiguous with such moments BECAUSE it will make it easier for him to play with the plot if power scaling is not his major concern.
What I mean by that, if power scaling is the biggest major concern and not the plot itself, then it will make it hard for oda to make the enemy slip or make mistakes, and vise versa with main characters slipping and making the enemy get the upper hand which sometimes does NOT make sense considering we know what our crew is capable of doing.
So, I think Oda on purpose sometimes ignores the logic of power scaling simply because he wants his story to be more fluid and more easily manipulated so that no character is stronger than the plot itself hahaha.
Plot will always triumph over power scaling with One Piece
With that being said, Mihawk getting stalled by Vista was meant for:
1- Oda to make Vista shine, which reflects on WB commanders since Oda is making them shine in that arc
2- For Luffy to progress
Not to mention even Crocodile "who should be even weaker than Vista stalled Mihawk as well and never got defeated. for the same two reasons I mentioned above, Crocodile was shining in that war like a diamond, and he made Luffy progress.
It's one and the same for WB being able to attack Akainu after Ace's death, when in reality Kizaru was not allowing him before, where the fuck did Kizaru vanish? It's simply plot, Kizaru went missing, it was Oda's goal to make us see WB rampage after Ace's death.
Oda loves his story to be more easily manipulated and malleable, that's how he writes his story, and with BM and SH in that chapter was also the same, it showcased the SH crew shining as well as not allowing Big Mom to kill them cause the story is about SH crew hahaha
Which is why I think it's wrong to judge a character strength in anything other than a COMPLETE 1 vs 1 fight with a legitimate victor and clear outcome. Other than that, we can take guesses for their levels, but no guaratee of being true
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"kaido is trashHow cant he finish BM "
BM haters will keep crying day by day
Kaido and BM are the two powerhouses
I've been saying it since WCI
They have similar hype and portrayal with kaido having an edge.
Anyway
Mihawk just sucks... there is no excuse for him for not dominating Crocodile nor Vista... he was never nerfed nor weakened.
His hype and portrayal isn't even close to top 5 too.
BM can even get injured by Luffy soon
She will still be better than Posthawk
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Was he injured like Akainu? Weakened? Nope
Was he nerfed? His sword was taken away? Nope
What excuse was given during MF ? He has no excuse
If dying WB can dominate Teach
If old Garp can overpower Marco easily
If Sengoku in old age can look beastly vs Teach and crew
What is Posthawk excuse really?
I am afraid to tell you this :
At MF WB Admirals + old marine duo > Mihawk... portrayal and feats.
It is even debatable for Posthawk to be above Yami Teach
Yami teach beats a YC2/3 Ace... Posthawk postponed vs YC3 vista and runs from Crocodile.
How does pre ts Daz bones who is way weaker than luffy, gets to block your slash? You need to put effort to Oneshot him.
Call me when Oda gives an excuse during MF why Postgawk is yc level.
Coz he gave an excuse for BM during WCI, udon
Kaido while drunk.
Kuzan... even Kizaru was given an excuse to why he didn't capture SNs
Was he nerfed? His sword was taken away? Nope
What excuse was given during MF ? He has no excuse
If dying WB can dominate Teach
If old Garp can overpower Marco easily
If Sengoku in old age can look beastly vs Teach and crew
What is Posthawk excuse really?
I am afraid to tell you this :
At MF WB Admirals + old marine duo > Mihawk... portrayal and feats.
It is even debatable for Posthawk to be above Yami Teach
Yami teach beats a YC2/3 Ace... Posthawk postponed vs YC3 vista and runs from Crocodile.
How does pre ts Daz bones who is way weaker than luffy, gets to block your slash? You need to put effort to Oneshot him.
Call me when Oda gives an excuse during MF why Postgawk is yc level.
Coz he gave an excuse for BM during WCI, udon
Kaido while drunk.
Kuzan... even Kizaru was given an excuse to why he didn't capture SNs
I do not get how people can put such an emphysize on Brook. it is clearly stated that Brooks is only able to do this due to his df.
BM would normally never care to defend her homies as they are normally utterly immune to damage from attacks that are not direct counters to their element.
no way she could have seen this coming.
there is but 1 thing I am upset about regarding BM. and not even much so.
its the fact that Oda let her fall into the sea while all her kids remained unharmed. her kids saved her from falling into the sea when she was chasing the SHP, why not now? makes no sense. especially with pero present.
obviously her memory loss was due to the drowning and not how some tried to paint it, from the impact. yet it felt like an unnecessary nerf to get BM out of the way for a while.
then Udon BM wipes the floor with YC Queen. keep in mind that braindead BM does not have access to haki as it seems. she trashes a YC without using haki. brute force alone. in a state where she forgot everything about herself. most likely including how to fight properly.
then for some reason, no one but Oda will ever know, she falls asleep mid fight. she never got knocked out, she fell asleep. that was such a dumb plot device, like jesus.
BM would normally never care to defend her homies as they are normally utterly immune to damage from attacks that are not direct counters to their element.
no way she could have seen this coming.
there is but 1 thing I am upset about regarding BM. and not even much so.
its the fact that Oda let her fall into the sea while all her kids remained unharmed. her kids saved her from falling into the sea when she was chasing the SHP, why not now? makes no sense. especially with pero present.
obviously her memory loss was due to the drowning and not how some tried to paint it, from the impact. yet it felt like an unnecessary nerf to get BM out of the way for a while.
then Udon BM wipes the floor with YC Queen. keep in mind that braindead BM does not have access to haki as it seems. she trashes a YC without using haki. brute force alone. in a state where she forgot everything about herself. most likely including how to fight properly.
then for some reason, no one but Oda will ever know, she falls asleep mid fight. she never got knocked out, she fell asleep. that was such a dumb plot device, like jesus.
