Questions & Mysteries Closest man to Dragon before Kuma became a Warlord

Closest man to Dragon before Sabo

  • Kuma

  • Ivankov


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RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#21
People here really underestimate Iva and it is quite funny.
The only real argument. would be that Kuma knew about Luffy being Dragon's son before Iva.
Iva stayed in Impel Down gathering an army that would eventually implode it and join the main forces, but, by their reaction to Kuma in Marineford, they had no idea about Kuma's mission. At the same time, neither did Sabo nor the other revo commanders seemed to know that as well.
Sabo rescued Kuma out of sentimentalism.

Having said that, is not unusual to give secret missions to people. It doesn't necessarily mean that you trust that person more, but more often that you think said person is better suited for the job.
Eventually it all boils down to "who do you like more between these 2" than an actual fact.
Shaka makes no distinction between Iva and Kuma, Iva herself was on a solo mission for Dragon as much as Kuma, and you can just give arguments in favor of both of them.
So just chill and remember that, today, Sabo is the number 2 anyway.
Kuma is way more important to the plot than Iva.

There is no comparison to be made.

Iva is great and really close to Dragon but it can’t be above Kuma.

Even today Kuma stays relevant to the plot (Vegapunk, Bonney, seraphims, new race etc etc)
 
#24
Who was in your opinion the closest man to Dragon, Kuma or Ivankov?

In my opinion it was Kuma because he knew that Luffy was Dragon's son, while Ivankov was unaware of the fact that Dragon even had a son.

Ivankov had full access to newspapers when he was in Impel Down.
He was also present during Sabo's rescue 12 years ago, when Luffy was 7
Kuma was a king, op DF, special race, knows everything about Dragon.
Ivankov is a tranny.
You tell me which one was Dragon's main guy before the WG took Kuma and turned him into a glorified pacifista. :bamathink:
 
#25
Dragon literally told a random kid (Sabo) which sea he was raised in, but refuses to tell Ivankov.
Talk about most trusted subordiante lmfao

It's Kuma without a shred of doubt.
 
#26
Both. But Shaka specifically puts Ivankov name first then Kuma later.
This.
Plus, Ivankov was there when rescued Sabo and there's a cover with him and Dragon.


Tell me where's a single image with Dragon and Kuma alone.




Ivankov name was said before that of Kuma as my leader Sanji D. Goat pointed out.

Sabo -> no.2
Iva -> ex right hand man
Kuma -> ex left hand man
 
#28
This.
Plus, Ivankov was there when rescued Sabo and there's a cover with him and Dragon.


Tell me where's a single image with Dragon and Kuma alone.




Ivankov name was said before that of Kuma as my leader Sanji D. Goat pointed out.

Sabo -> no.2
Iva -> ex right hand man
Kuma -> ex left hand man
Kuma wasn't around the revos to be in filler covers.
There's a reason why Sabo is the n°2 even with Ivankov, Sabo took Kuma's place.
 
#29
Kuma is way more important to the plot than Iva.

There is no comparison to be made.

Iva is great and really close to Dragon but it can’t be above Kuma.

Even today Kuma stays relevant to the plot (Vegapunk, Bonney, seraphims, new race etc etc)
Both are important to dragon.

Kuma is playing role of double agent , iva is upfront in recruiting rebels against wg.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#32
The topic asks the most close and important to Dragon, not story wise
It’s the same

Importance story wise 99% of time = importance in your crew, importance power level wise etc

Kuma is a shishibukai
Kuma is the first Pacifista
Kuma beat down the whole crew two times (only guy ever doing it)
Kuma had the nothing happened moment with Zoro
Kuma separated the crew and created the time skip
Kuma protected the Sunny for two years
Kuma knew about Luffy father
Kuma has a special link with Vegapunk
Kuma is Bonney father one of the SN/WG
Kuma had a secret mission to spy the WG
Kuma was rescued by Sabo and co
Kuma has the special race

Kuma is huge, in the RA nobody is as important as him story wise except Dragon and Sabo. And I translate that into importance into the RA.
 
#33
Of course its Kuma, Iva didnt knew about Luffy or the Pacifista plan




In my opinion there are Six Levels

Yonko Level ---> Dragon
Admiral Level ---> Sabo
Warlord Level ---> Kuma
Top Veteran Level ---> Ivankov
Veterans Level ---> Four Commanders
Super Rookie Level ---> Inazuma, Koala ... etc

Which is similar to SHs tbh:

Dragon/Sabo ~ Luffy/Zoro
Kuma ~ Jinbe
Ivankov ~ Sanji
Four Commanders ~ Franky, Robin, Brook, Chopper
Rest ~ Usopp/Nami
Average Zoro fan using 100% of his brain lol🤡
 
#36
I’m not saying the contrary

Iva is extremely important to Dragon and really close to him

But by every metric Kuma is a more important character in OP
Kuma will play more role as we are edging towards the end. However Iva played far more important role than kuma in development of revo army .

I would say both are important just because iva did not know luffy doesnt make her less important to dragon.
Yes, only Average is what's enough for the best of your likes to understand
Please please i read your zkk theories all you write is bunch of nonsense .
 
#37
In my opinion there are Six Levels

Yonko Level ---> Dragon
Admiral Level ---> Sabo
Warlord Level ---> Kuma
Top Veteran Level ---> Ivankov
Veterans Level ---> Four Commanders
Super Rookie Level ---> Inazuma, Koala ... etc

Which is similar to SHs tbh:

Dragon/Sabo ~ Luffy/Zoro
Kuma ~ Jinbe
Ivankov ~ Sanji
Four Commanders ~ Franky, Robin, Brook, Chopper
Rest ~ Usopp/Nami
I mean powerscaling with parallels like this is kinda stupid, but if you wanna talk about parallels the Strawhats have with Revolutionaries, then I'd say
Sabo ---> Luffy
Koala ---> Nami
And maybe Ivankov ---> Sanji
 
#38
Please please i read your zkk theories all you write is bunch of nonsense .
Then open a thread and bet against me that Zoro won't behead Kaido, let's see how the story unfolds

Being wrong about it happening in Wano doesn't mean it's entirely wrong
I mean powerscaling with parallels like this is kinda stupid, but if you wanna talk about parallels the Strawhats have with Revolutionaries, then I'd say
Sabo ---> Luffy
Koala ---> Nami
And maybe Ivankov ---> Sanji
It's not about Power Levels only, cuz I don't believe Luffy is Dragon Level and I believe Sanji can beat Ivankov

All I'm saying is that both Teams have an Emperor like Figure, a No. 2, a Warlord, a Top Commander who stands out from rest and remaining four who are Stronger than their weakest officers

It's more about pointing out that how both parallel each other
 
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