Questions & Mysteries Closest man to Dragon before Kuma became a Warlord

Closest man to Dragon before Sabo

  • Kuma

  • Ivankov


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#42
I don't see why Kuma knowing Luffy was Dragon's son means anything when we know absolutely nothing about how he learnt that information, like if there was some proof that Dragon actually told Kuma himself, fine, but that's not the case.

Given what we've learned recently, it's possible Kuma learned it from Vegapunk.

As for Ivankov not knowing, that can be explained by the fact that Ivankov has been in Impel Down for a while
 
#44
Roger said Gaban's name first, he must be the vice captain :feelsokeman:
That's probably it, the King of Copper and Oden's little bitch was the Vice Captain and Roger's best friend.

Or maybe because Iva was on the right side of the panel like Gaban and you read manga from right to left. :kawak:
 
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#45
In my opinion there are Six Levels

Yonko Level ---> Dragon
Admiral Level ---> Sabo
Warlord Level ---> Kuma
Top Veteran Level ---> Ivankov
Veterans Level ---> Four Commanders
Super Rookie Level ---> Inazuma, Koala ... etc

Which is similar to SHs tbh:

Dragon/Sabo ~ Luffy/Zoro
Kuma ~ Jinbe
Ivankov ~ Sanji
Four Commanders ~ Franky, Robin, Brook, Chopper
Rest ~ Usopp/Nami
Ivanov stated himself that he was stronger than Kuma.

This is bullshit.
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As Bonney said Kuma was a tyrant before. Hard for Dragon to fully believe in a man that represents exactly what he was fighting against.

Ivankov by the otherside looks like the Hancock of Okama. He just wants to have his country free from outside management. But that is my headcanon of course.
 
#48
Who was in your opinion the closest man to Dragon, Kuma or Ivankov?

In my opinion it was Kuma because he knew that Luffy was Dragon's son, while Ivankov was unaware of the fact that Dragon even had a son.

Ivankov had full access to newspapers when he was in Impel Down.
He was also present during Sabo's rescue 12 years ago, when Luffy was 7
THIS >> he knew that Luffy was Dragon's son, while Ivankov was unaware of the fact that Dragon even had a son.
ivankov was shocked when luffy said his hometown in east blue, means ivankov knew dragon has some affair in east blue

the fact ginny is east blue commander, somehow makes ginny = luffy's mom theory sounds very alive again

ivankov pov : dragon has some affair in east blue, but he has no clue dragon had a son..
probably he knew ginny gave birth to a child, but he don't know whos the father.

kuma pov : he knew luffy is dragon's, because the mother is his childhood friend & long time GF
 
#51
so basically when Kuma joined Dragon they renamed the organization's name from Freedom Fighters to Revolutionary Army...and this only for one man :neesama:
We don't know if they only renamed or if they restructured into a different organization with commanders and shit, what we know is that the revo army was founded by Dragon, Kuma and Ivankov and the latest chapter confirmed that information, the revos weren't a thing before Kuma joined.
 
#52
TWIN PILLARS IVANKOV AND DRAGON.

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It looks like It was Ivankov that suggested Kuma to Dragon, so yeah, Iva is the closer to Dragon and the one he knows well before everyone, since they were basically a duo, than Iva liked Kuma that much that recommended him to Dragon.
 
#53
We don't know if they only renamed or if they restructured into a different organization with commanders and shit, what we know is that the revo army was founded by Dragon, Kuma and Ivankov and the latest chapter confirmed that information, the revos weren't a thing before Kuma joined.
yes they were retard its like saying there was no crew when it was only luffy and zoro :suresure:
 
#55
yes they were retard its like saying there was no crew when it was only luffy and zoro :suresure:
Shut it Lanjiboi, Buggy's crew and Cross Guild are 2 different things despite all of Buggy's crew still being there, the same thing happened here.
Ivankov doesn't know shit about Dragon, Kuma does. The question of the topic is answered.
 
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#56
In my opinion there are Six Levels

Yonko Level ---> Dragon
Admiral Level ---> Sabo
Warlord Level ---> Kuma
Top Veteran Level ---> Ivankov
Veterans Level ---> Four Commanders
Super Rookie Level ---> Inazuma, Koala ... etc

Which is similar to SHs tbh:

Dragon/Sabo ~ Luffy/Zoro
Kuma ~ Jinbe
Ivankov ~ Sanji
Four Commanders ~ Franky, Robin, Brook, Chopper
Rest ~ Usopp/Nami
Just lol at this sanji downplay, jinbe would have died if he faced queen, let alone king and queen while zoro was being carried around prior to mink cum medicine.
 
#57
Just lol at this sanji downplay, jinbe would have died if he faced queen, let alone king and queen while zoro was being carried around prior to mink cum medicine.
Regardless of his trivial power ranking he compared Kuma and Jimbei because they are both (former) Warlords.

Sanji is stronger than Jimbei but that doesn't mean these connections can't be made, and they're interesting tbh. Especially if Sabo is also a conqueror.
 
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CensoredbyWG

#58
Regardless of his trivial power ranking he compared Kuma and Jimbei because they are both (former) Warlords.

Sanji is stronger than Jimbei but that doesn't mean these connections can't be made, and they're interesting tbh. Especially if Sabo is also a conqueror.
Sabo is a conqueror no doubt.
 
#59
Who was in your opinion the closest man to Dragon, Kuma or Ivankov?

In my opinion it was Kuma because he knew that Luffy was Dragon's son, while Ivankov was unaware of the fact that Dragon even had a son.

Ivankov had full access to newspapers when he was in Impel Down.
He was also present during Sabo's rescue 12 years ago, when Luffy was 7
It all depends, because Kuma has a built in cheat mode system that allows for him to know specific details about wanted individuals, mainly their full names.

The World didn't know Dragons full name until Sengoku announced it during Marineford. Kuma would be able to know his full name simply by looking at him. From there it wouldn't take much effort to deduce that him, Garp, and Luffy are all related.

If Dragon did tell Kuma, then you also have to factor in, when did Kuma learn this information? Was it after Luffy became a Pirate? Was it like a "Hey Kuma, my son is now a pirate, so if you run into him on the sea, make sure you look out for him" type of deal? If so, Ivankov was in jail at that point, so he wouldn't have been given the same information, cause he didn't have contact with Dragon at the time, and if he did, what good would it have done with him being in jail.
 
#60
Yeah sure, first I doubt it and then even if it was indeed true :
- it was 15 years ago
- it was before Kuma being a Shishi
- before Iva spending years in prison
- before Kuma turning into a pacifista
Etc

2 years ago Sane Kuma > Iva without any doubt

Thé protrayal of both cannot lie
Iva has great betrayal though. Whether it be with maggellan, akainu or crocodile.
 
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