Powers & Abilities Conqueror vs Non Conqueror Mentality
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The reason Jinbei had to intervene was because Luffy was about to kill himself in his fits of rage
Which I suppose is giving up on his dream in a sense, but only because he was in the throes of a total mind meltdown.
It’s not just “a prologue” when Sanji gives up on his dream a second time in WCI. It‘s a part of Sanji’s temperament. He will make decisions (that in the real world) are logical and rational, and give up. Luffy and Zoro are more idealised and don’t.
It’s not slander to say a character has flaws lmao.
Which I suppose is giving up on his dream in a sense, but only because he was in the throes of a total mind meltdown.
It’s not just “a prologue” when Sanji gives up on his dream a second time in WCI. It‘s a part of Sanji’s temperament. He will make decisions (that in the real world) are logical and rational, and give up. Luffy and Zoro are more idealised and don’t.
It’s not slander to say a character has flaws lmao.
The reason Jinbei had to intervene was because Luffy was about to kill himself in his fits of rage
Which I suppose is giving up on his dream in a sense, but only because he was in the throes of a total mind meltdown.
It’s not just “a prologue” when Sanji gives up on his dream a second time in WCI. It‘s a part of Sanji’s temperament. He will make decisions (that in the real world) are logical and rational, and give up. Luffy and Zoro are more idealised and don’t.
It’s not slander to say a character has flaws lmao.
Which I suppose is giving up on his dream in a sense, but only because he was in the throes of a total mind meltdown.
It’s not just “a prologue” when Sanji gives up on his dream a second time in WCI. It‘s a part of Sanji’s temperament. He will make decisions (that in the real world) are logical and rational, and give up. Luffy and Zoro are more idealised and don’t.
It’s not slander to say a character has flaws lmao.
He literally says “my adventure ends here.”
I don’t know what you could call that but giving up on your dream.
Zoro’s always been content to die in the knowledge that if he lived he would achieve his dream.
That’s why Mihawk was impressed by him, that’s why he could offer his head to Kuma’s as an exchange. Sanji is willing to live having given up on his dream, Zoro is not.
If anyone thinks Zoro would ever say what Sanji said on Baratie, or what planned to do on WCI, they are living in delusion. There is a clear difference between the two, no matter how much Sanji fanboys want to deny it.
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I don’t know what you could call that but giving up on your dream.
Zoro’s always been content to die in the knowledge that if he lived he would achieve his dream.
That’s why Mihawk was impressed by him, that’s why he could offer his head to Kuma’s as an exchange. Sanji is willing to live having given up on his dream, Zoro is not.
If anyone thinks Zoro would ever say what Sanji said on Baratie, or what planned to do on WCI, they are living in delusion. There is a clear difference between the two, no matter how much Sanji fanboys want to deny it.
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Future conqueror's haki users
+ Sanji
Maybe it's time to rethink some of your ideas about it, don’t you think? There doesn't need to be some rigid checklist or shared traits between all Conqueror’s Haki users. Sure, they might have similar mindsets or stand out more than others, but that doesn’t mean they all have to be Zoro-type characters (flat, stoic, one-dimensional).
The truth is, Conqueror’s Haki users are a pretty diverse bunch.
+ Sanji
Maybe it's time to rethink some of your ideas about it, don’t you think? There doesn't need to be some rigid checklist or shared traits between all Conqueror’s Haki users. Sure, they might have similar mindsets or stand out more than others, but that doesn’t mean they all have to be Zoro-type characters (flat, stoic, one-dimensional).
The truth is, Conqueror’s Haki users are a pretty diverse bunch.
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He literally says “my adventure ends here.”
I don’t know what you could call that but giving up on your dream.
Zoro’s always been content to die in the knowledge that if he lived he would achieve his dream.
That’s why Mihawk was impressed by him, that’s why he could offer his head to Kuma’s as an exchange. Sanji is willing to live having given up on his dream, Zoro is not.
If anyone thinks Zoro would ever say what Sanji said on Baratie, or what planned to do on WCI, they are living in delusion. There is a clear difference between the two, no matter how much Sanji fanboys want to deny it.
See the above
Don’t even know your own fave lol?
I don’t know what you could call that but giving up on your dream.
Zoro’s always been content to die in the knowledge that if he lived he would achieve his dream.
That’s why Mihawk was impressed by him, that’s why he could offer his head to Kuma’s as an exchange. Sanji is willing to live having given up on his dream, Zoro is not.
If anyone thinks Zoro would ever say what Sanji said on Baratie, or what planned to do on WCI, they are living in delusion. There is a clear difference between the two, no matter how much Sanji fanboys want to deny it.
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He literally says “my adventure ends here.”
I don’t know what you could call that but giving up on your dream.
Zoro’s always been content to die in the knowledge that if he lived he would achieve his dream.
That’s why Mihawk was impressed by him, that’s why he could offer his head to Kuma’s as an exchange. Sanji is willing to live having given up on his dream, Zoro is not.
If anyone thinks Zoro would ever say what Sanji said on Baratie, or what planned to do on WCI, they are living in delusion. There is a clear difference between the two, no matter how much Sanji fanboys want to deny it.
See the above
Don’t even know your own fave lol?
I don’t know what you could call that but giving up on your dream.
Zoro’s always been content to die in the knowledge that if he lived he would achieve his dream.
That’s why Mihawk was impressed by him, that’s why he could offer his head to Kuma’s as an exchange. Sanji is willing to live having given up on his dream, Zoro is not.
If anyone thinks Zoro would ever say what Sanji said on Baratie, or what planned to do on WCI, they are living in delusion. There is a clear difference between the two, no matter how much Sanji fanboys want to deny it.
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Zoro will throw his dream away alongside his life to protect his loved ones
Luffy would throw his dream away alongside his life to protect his loved ones (and those who feed him lol )
He literally says “my adventure ends here.”
I don’t know what you could call that but giving up on your dream.
Zoro’s always been content to die in the knowledge that if he lived he would achieve his dream.
That’s why Mihawk was impressed by him, that’s why he could offer his head to Kuma’s as an exchange. Sanji is willing to live having given up on his dream, Zoro is not.
If anyone thinks Zoro would ever say what Sanji said on Baratie, or what planned to do on WCI, they are living in delusion. There is a clear difference between the two, no matter how much Sanji fanboys want to deny it.
See the above
Don’t even know your own fave lol?
I don’t know what you could call that but giving up on your dream.
Zoro’s always been content to die in the knowledge that if he lived he would achieve his dream.
That’s why Mihawk was impressed by him, that’s why he could offer his head to Kuma’s as an exchange. Sanji is willing to live having given up on his dream, Zoro is not.
If anyone thinks Zoro would ever say what Sanji said on Baratie, or what planned to do on WCI, they are living in delusion. There is a clear difference between the two, no matter how much Sanji fanboys want to deny it.
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Zoro is willing to get killed by Kuma is in no way different, no matter the mental gymnastics you perform. Zoro decides that is dream is less important than other things.
Also callign anyone that disagrees with your semantic exercises a Sanji fanboy is frankly pathetic. Sanji makes the decision of leaving the crew to save Zeff, and unless you are just being retarded you know it too.
Luffy refusing a boat in Amazon Lily is Luffy giving up his dream too?
i wanna laugh more
It’s not the same at all.
Sanji had resolved himself up to live (as far as he knew, not knowing that Big Mom planned to assassinate him) a long and unfulfilled life where he would grow old never going after All Blue, and do nothing else to help his crew.
Zoro has never done that. Zoro could not live with himself not aiming to be the WSS. He’s willing to die along the way, and he’s also added willing to die for Luffy along the way, but that is not the same as giving up his adventure and essentially retiring unfulfilled.
Zoro’s first interaction with Sanji spells this out.
Zoro knows his dream will likely lead to his death, but he‘s resolved to that. If he dies in the attempt, he‘s fine with it. But he would never say that “my adventure is over” and plan on living after it.
Luffy is the same
Like, the entire reason Sanji is inspired by the two on Baratie is because of this approach they have. I don’t know how people can pretend there isn’t a difference between Sanji and the other two when Sanji needed the other two’s influence to start his journey.
Boo hoo, stop crying. What’s pathetic is people unable to see any critique of Sanji without putting up the armour and starting the hissy fits.
Imagine complaining about context and mental gymnastics while not being able to see there’s a world of difference between dying trying to achieve your goal, and living having given it up.
If you can’t see the difference between attempting to die in the attempt, and living having given up, you need to go back to chapter 1 and have a full reread.
Also, you seriously think Luffy had given up on being PK in AL? He gave up on taking a boat out. He didn’t dramatically declare that his adventure was over and that his years of bliss had came to an end.
No, it’s different because Sanji was planning on living to a ripe old age with Pudding having given up on his life long ambition, while Zoro was resolved to die having fought every step of the way to achieve his dream.
Sanji had resolved himself up to live (as far as he knew, not knowing that Big Mom planned to assassinate him) a long and unfulfilled life where he would grow old never going after All Blue, and do nothing else to help his crew.
Zoro has never done that. Zoro could not live with himself not aiming to be the WSS. He’s willing to die along the way, and he’s also added willing to die for Luffy along the way, but that is not the same as giving up his adventure and essentially retiring unfulfilled.
Zoro’s first interaction with Sanji spells this out.
Zoro knows his dream will likely lead to his death, but he‘s resolved to that. If he dies in the attempt, he‘s fine with it. But he would never say that “my adventure is over” and plan on living after it.
Luffy is the same
Like, the entire reason Sanji is inspired by the two on Baratie is because of this approach they have. I don’t know how people can pretend there isn’t a difference between Sanji and the other two when Sanji needed the other two’s influence to start his journey.
Boo hoo, stop crying. What’s pathetic is people unable to see any critique of Sanji without putting up the armour and starting the hissy fits.
Imagine complaining about context and mental gymnastics while not being able to see there’s a world of difference between dying trying to achieve your goal, and living having given it up.
If you can’t see the difference between attempting to die in the attempt, and living having given up, you need to go back to chapter 1 and have a full reread.
Also, you seriously think Luffy had given up on being PK in AL? He gave up on taking a boat out. He didn’t dramatically declare that his adventure was over and that his years of bliss had came to an end.
No, it’s different because Sanji was planning on living to a ripe old age with Pudding having given up on his life long ambition, while Zoro was resolved to die having fought every step of the way to achieve his dream.
I think Sanji is almost for sure going to get conquerors at this point. I also think that he is very very different from Luffy and Zoro and not built like what conquerors are supposed to be. (And he makes for a better, more interesting foil off of those two because of it).
I just think Oda is mostly going to be retconning what it takes to get conquerors haki in a person. The M3 will always be the M3, but I wouldn’t give it to him, I’d keep the power balance some other way.
I just think Oda is mostly going to be retconning what it takes to get conquerors haki in a person. The M3 will always be the M3, but I wouldn’t give it to him, I’d keep the power balance some other way.
It’s not the same at all.
Sanji had resolved himself up to live (as far as he knew, not knowing that Big Mom planned to assassinate him) a long and unfulfilled life where he would grow old never going after All Blue, and do nothing else to help his crew.
Zoro has never done that. Zoro could not live with himself not aiming to be the WSS. He’s willing to die along the way, and he’s also added willing to die for Luffy along the way, but that is not the same as giving up his adventure and essentially retiring unfulfilled.
Zoro’s first interaction with Sanji spells this out.
Zoro knows his dream will likely lead to his death, but he‘s resolved to that. If he dies in the attempt, he‘s fine with it. But he would never say that “my adventure is over” and plan on living after it.
Luffy is the same
Like, the entire reason Sanji is inspired by the two on Baratie is because of this approach they have. I don’t know how people can pretend there isn’t a difference between Sanji and the other two when Sanji needed the other two’s influence to start his journey.
Boo hoo, stop crying. What’s pathetic is people unable to see any critique of Sanji without putting up the armour and starting the hissy fits.
Imagine complaining about context and mental gymnastics while not being able to see there’s a world of difference between dying trying to achieve your goal, and living having given it up.
If you can’t see the difference between attempting to die in the attempt, and living having given up, you need to go back to chapter 1 and have a full reread.
Also, you seriously think Luffy had given up on being PK in AL? He gave up on taking a boat out. He didn’t dramatically declare that his adventure was over and that his years of bliss had came to an end.
No, it’s different because Sanji was planning on living to a ripe old age with Pudding having given up on his life long ambition, while Zoro was resolved to die having fought every step of the way to achieve his dream.
Sanji had resolved himself up to live (as far as he knew, not knowing that Big Mom planned to assassinate him) a long and unfulfilled life where he would grow old never going after All Blue, and do nothing else to help his crew.
Zoro has never done that. Zoro could not live with himself not aiming to be the WSS. He’s willing to die along the way, and he’s also added willing to die for Luffy along the way, but that is not the same as giving up his adventure and essentially retiring unfulfilled.
Zoro’s first interaction with Sanji spells this out.
Zoro knows his dream will likely lead to his death, but he‘s resolved to that. If he dies in the attempt, he‘s fine with it. But he would never say that “my adventure is over” and plan on living after it.
Luffy is the same
Like, the entire reason Sanji is inspired by the two on Baratie is because of this approach they have. I don’t know how people can pretend there isn’t a difference between Sanji and the other two when Sanji needed the other two’s influence to start his journey.
Boo hoo, stop crying. What’s pathetic is people unable to see any critique of Sanji without putting up the armour and starting the hissy fits.
Imagine complaining about context and mental gymnastics while not being able to see there’s a world of difference between dying trying to achieve your goal, and living having given it up.
If you can’t see the difference between attempting to die in the attempt, and living having given up, you need to go back to chapter 1 and have a full reread.
Also, you seriously think Luffy had given up on being PK in AL? He gave up on taking a boat out. He didn’t dramatically declare that his adventure was over and that his years of bliss had came to an end.
No, it’s different because Sanji was planning on living to a ripe old age with Pudding having given up on his life long ambition, while Zoro was resolved to die having fought every step of the way to achieve his dream.
Maybe you should read the arc again.