Well again, I’m not saying Sanji lacks resolve, I’m saying that he does not have has strong as resolve as Luffy and Zoro and that‘s why he is weaker than them. I don’t see how anyone can think that Luffy and Zoro would have given up on WCI the way that Sanji did.
I think Oden’s actually the exact opposite- he never gave up his goal of opening Wano’s borders. His deal with Kaido didn’t have anything to do with his dream. He was content to make a deal with Kaido and Orochi to save the people of Wano at the cost of his own dignity, but the second they broke the deal he went after them. Then when it was clear that he was going to die, he made sure to pass his dream over to the Scabbards so that it would be fulfilled.
No, I do not think Zoro would ever consent to life imprisonment and giving up on his dream. The person threatening Luffy would need to kill Zoro as well.
He didn‘t “pretend” to give up.
There was no cunning plan by Sanji to fool everyone, get out of his situation and resume his life. He genuinely saw no way out and gave up on his dream and his crew.
You’re the one crying, lmao, jumping in on a conversation because of a few digs at Sanji fanboys.
You also genuinely don‘t know what the fuck you are talking about.
Sanji feeding the pirates was admirable when he was going to fight them off.
Sanji was not willing to sacrifice the ship, was going to give up and die instead, and Luffy outright called him a coward for it.
You going to look at the above and tell me that this is actually Sanji showing strong self character? When the main character is literally calling him a coward for what he was doing.
Nah, you see, I actually understand the character and can see that he is flawed.
I am not saying that Sanji is not brave, or does not have willpower, or cannot get CoC.
I’m saying he does not have the willpower that Luffy or Zoro does, and that’s been clearly demonstrated by his Baratie and WCI actions. Oda literally has him criticised by Luffy both times for and you sadcases are trying to pretend that
What Sanji did against Kalifa was not the right thing and deserved no praise, fyi. He should have left the fight immediately, rather than sit and have tea with her, then let himself get beat up.
What he did against Black Maria where he asked for help was then the right thing, where he actually trusted Robin to do what he couldn’t and get him out of the mess he was in.
Imagine talking about intellectual dishonesty and trying to argue with a straight face that Sanji is not giving up on his dreams here.
At what point when Luffy was going after Ace did he ignore his dream? What is this shit you are coming up with?
How has he ignored his dream when he‘s telling
Whitebeard of all people to shut up because he’s going to be PK?
No, because Luffy obviously did not consider refusing Hancock’s ship to be the end of his journey and dream, lmao. He wasn’t going to stop looking for being PK. If they still didn’t let him leave he would have either tried to sneak outmor just went back to plan A of punching out Hancock.
You genuinely think this
Is the face of a man who has accepted he is never going to achieve his life long dream and will live on Amazon Lily for the rest of his life lmao?
That is the same as this scene?
There’s some cheek you talking about intellectual dishonesty lmao.
Luffy would have tried to build another raft and risk drown himself rather than staying on Amazon Lily