Future Events Contra Zoro vs King

[Finalbeta]

The Grandmaster doesn't need King. Marco probably doesn't need the Grandmaster's help.

The plot without ZKK would feel extensively empty, less empty if lacking ZDK, but a matter of honor is presumably still into play. Unless the Grandmaster happened to save an astoundingly endangered Yamato before Luffy did. Improbable scenario but it's my dream.

 

[Shanal]

That quote is from the OP.



The bottom panels proves Chopper will get a fight this arc.

Spoiler

It's most likely Perospero because he was bombarding Chopper with arrows and during this flashback.



Not a real argument.



Doesn't know Yamato? Great, he will learn about her when he reaches Kaido and lets her handle her daddy issues before Luffy gets back.

And since Zoro will protect Momonosuke in the meantime, that just makes Zoro VS King more likely. When King is done with Marco, someone better be protecting Momo because, if there's one thing @Prince Kronos was right about, King has it out for him.

That doesn't "prove" anything.

That's like saying "Zoro thinks of Kaido so it is a PROOF that he'll fight Kaido."

You can't call other arguments based off of narrative weak if yours is "Well there's a panel of Perospero attacking Chopper alongside many others, so that's the proof Chopper will fight him over the dude who said he wants to fight him. Nevermind the fact that Chopper is in baby form rn unable to do much."

That's being pretty hypocritical when the Perospero stuff is based off of your opinion on a visual foreshadowing rather than actual narrative and build-up.

With that said, don't see a single reason for Marco to leave King so far. Marco is bent on letting the new generation take over, as well. More points towards that Zoro will leave the area to protect Momo while Marco continues to hold off King, because that's what he intended to do from the start; letting the forefronts of new gen get involved in fight against Yonkos while he handles prime subordinates.

 

[Nightcrawler]

Maybe Oda plans to recreate Ryuma's legend through King instead of Kaido. As a Pteranodon he's pretty similar to a western dragon: Big, can fly and most likely uses fire in combat. The devil fruit is even part of the dragon-dragon category. Just throwing out the idea.

 

[Aknolagon]

and still Marco's bounty was revealed in a vivre card, if he were the final opponent of King Oda could have revealed the 2 bounties together in the manga it would have been more exciting.
King is the only one of Kaido's commanders with unknown bounty which means it will be an epic reveal when he get his final opponent and that is just Zoro.
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well they ignore that because they think Zoro is on the same level as Luffy he should fight a yonko instead of a yonko commander. even though it was already shown that King is most likely at his best when he uses his sword since his best attack on Marco was a sword attack.
when it comes to Kaido Yamato is doing that just as stated by her and she is most suited for that she has what it takes to do so. her haki clash with Kaido was even better than Luffy's. Zoro is for sure strong but he is not proficient enough like Yamato . she seems to have perfected her using of haki, no wonder she knows of haki for decades and trains it even it was shown in the new episode that she was doing some sort of training.
King is the ideal one for Zoro to train himself. Luffy got Katakuri to do so. and Zoro is getting King. there is no way Oda is not gonna let Zoro defeat a yonko commander. it is not like every arc we will have 2 yonkos. which would mean Zoro will never have a hard fight again. and he will always fight people under his level.

It's not because Zoro will fight King that means he is not Luffy's lvl. And Zoro destroys Yamato. She fought Kaido many times but didn't give any single significant damage to him. Zoro fought him once but enough to give him a permanent scar and could have killed him. But hey Zoro haki is not proficient like yamato ... lol

 

[humanbeing]

It's not because Zoro will fight King that means he is not Luffy's lvl. And Zoro destroys Yamato. She fought Kaido many times but didn't give any single significant damage to him. Zoro fought him once but enough to give him a permanent scar and could have killed him. But hey Zoro haki is not proficient like yamato ... lol

she fought him in the past but in the recent years after she met Ace ,she was waiting for the one who will come rescue Wano so at least she didn't fought him for 4 years and we know how much you can get strong in 4 years. you are giving Zoro too much of credit. by the way i didn't say that Yamato is stronger than Zoro all i said that she has more mastery over her haki than Zoro. Zoro didn't even know he has CoC haki, and when he injured Kaido he did it thanks to Enma and we know that Enma is a sword that can absorb haki more or less it is a tool to train Zoro controlling his haki. Enma would not be necessary if Zoro already has a mastery over his haki. Yamato's clash with her father is a proof for her mastery.

 

[Rivaille]

Plot > Symbolic /Character growth > Character dynamic > Powerlevel

-What Zoro can gained from fighting King that he cannot gain from fighting Kaido or Big Mom (which is the strongest sword user on the island)?
-What King has to offer to Zoro in term of growth as a swordsman and/or as a character?

And do not answer with headcanon. It’s been 3 years that we are in Wano, use what Oda has shown of King’s character to answer those.

If you cannot, you might understand why Zoro vs King has no basis.

 

[Finalbeta]

It's true that Oda sensei eventually tends to shape power levels according to what the plot demands according to the situation, but I don't think that if Zoro v King occurred things would end up to be too difficult for Zoro. That would prove just too much of a bad writing. On a serious note King is probably low difficulty material for even a Base Zoro considering how massive the latter's stats proved.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

That doesn't "prove" anything.

That's like saying "Zoro thinks of Kaido so it is a PROOF that he'll fight Kaido."

It proves Chopper WILL get a fight. It's most likely Perospero because he was maiming Chopper and is in the same vicinity as King and Queen.

You can't call other arguments based off of narrative weak if yours is "Well there's a panel of Perospero attacking Chopper alongside many others, so that's the proof Chopper will fight him over the dude who said he wants to fight him. Nevermind the fact that Chopper is in baby form rn unable to do much."

The OP's argument isn't based off of a narrative. It brings up a narrative, but it proceeds to never tell us why King VS Zoro will hurt it.

And FFS, "baby Chopper" is a terrible argument. Almost as terrible as Luffy not getting his rematch against Kaido because he's unconscious and not on the island anymore.

That's being pretty hypocritical when the Perospero stuff is based off of your opinion on a visual foreshadowing rather than actual narrative and build-up.

It's not hypocritical. Perospero VS Chopper has basis. Zoro VS King not happening does not because it's backed by buzzwords ('but narratives") and false dichotomies.

With that said, don't see a single reason for Marco to leave King so far. Marco is bent on letting the new generation take over, as well.

Read the bottom panel.

Spoiler

More points towards that Zoro will leave the area to protect Momo while Marco continues to hold off King, because that's what he intended to do from the start; letting the forefronts of new gen get involved in fight against Yonkos while he handles prime subordinates.

Guess who has it out for Momo. King. What's King going to do after Marco's down? You're just making my arguments for me.
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Plot > Symbolic /Character growth > Character dynamic > Powerlevel

-What Zoro can gained from fighting King that he cannot gain from fighting Kaido or Big Mom (which is the strongest sword user on the island)?
-What King has to offer to Zoro in term of growth as a swordsman and/or as a character?

I hate to say it, but Luffy will be the main person who defeats Kaido. Zoro may kill Kaido in the end, but he gains nothing if he fights him now just to literally play the same role he did against Arlong.

And do not answer with headcanon. It’s been 3 years that we are in Wano, use what Oda has shown of King’s character to answer those.

King being Kaido's strongest subordinate and swordsman aren't headcanon.

If you cannot, you might understand why Zoro vs King has no basis.

Only people who don't know nothing about the One Piece story format say this.

 

[KageFumi]

Lmao, they want to discount Ryuma legend slaying dragon to slay pteranodon.

 

[Nightcrawler]

Lmao, they want to discount Ryuma legend slaying dragon to slay pteranodon.

I'm not discounting anything. I was simply throwing out an idea, not saying whether I want it to happen or think it's likely.

 

[mly90]

I won't complain about either options whatever happens Zoro is very likely still playing a role in Kaido defeat

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He’s fighting King, it’s been obvious for about 100 chapters lol

Not to your friend inflamed haki he was very persistent about Sanji vs King, then suddenly disappeared do you know what happened to him :zorothink:

 

[trav]

Edit: the whole point of the drug woukd go to dump if zoro does side plot crap... The fact that he got drugged should set high expectations and thrilling /suspenseful possibilities for the character.. Not anticlimactic Bs lol

lmao. totally forgot about the mink drug.
guess that happens when you never even for a second had any doubt that ZKK is still happening.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

It's true that Oda sensei eventually tends to shape power levels according to what the plot demands according to the situation, but I don't think that if Zoro v King occurred things would end up to be too difficult for Zoro. That would prove just too much of a bad writing. On a serious note King is probably low difficulty material for even a Base Zoro considering how massive the latter's stats proved.

Wondering if we'll end up with readers saying that King has top tier stats because he put a high difficulty fight against Zoro instead of simply considering the possibility that fights in this series aren't unidimensional and Zoro scarring Kaido without much consequences, at least for now, doesn't mean what many think it means (that Zoro is some kind of god instead of still comparable to the likes of King but, if anything, better at one stat that happened to be the one necessary to hurt Kaido).

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

A reminder that Monster, Oda's canonical one-shot, was about Ryuma (Zoro's parallel) pursuing a great swordsman in Wano literally called King.

 

[CbShadow]

A reminder that Monster, Oda's canonical one-shot, was about Ryuma (Zoro's parallel) pursuing a great swordsman in Wano literally called King.

And Ryuma killed a dragon above Wano capital.

ZKK.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

And Ryuma killed a dragon above Wano capital.

ZKK.

Zoro can beat King and kill Kaido, you know.

 

[mly90]

Zoro can beat King and kill Kaido, you know.

Would not mind that one bit

 

[[No Name]]

Asura was able to overpower Kaido.
fighting King will not give Zoro anything anymore. no growth, no nothing.

Kaido it is.

Ashura never did that.
Stop highballing Zoro, accept that Luffy did better even though he got MID-DIFFED.
And you'll see how King can help Zoro to grow.

 

[Shanal]

Ashura never did that.
Stop highballing Zoro, accept that Luffy did better even though he got MID-DIFFED.
And you'll see how King can help Zoro to grow.

We literally see Ashura slap away Kaido's attacks before permanently scarring him.

Heavily injured Zoro produced better AP than combined attacks from YC comparable characters like Sulong Inu, Denjiro and Ashura. Plus Kin who is prob TR level.

That isn't even talking about fresh Zoro. No one's high balling him, you're just baselessly downplaying a great feat.

 

[TheRealSJay]

We literally see Ashura slap away Kaido's attacks before permanently scarring him.

Heavily injured Zoro produced better AP than combined attacks from YC comparable characters like Sulong Inu, Denjiro and Ashura. Plus Kin who is prob TR level.

That isn't even talking about fresh Zoro. No one's high balling him, you're just baselessly downplaying a great feat.

This could be truthfully interpreted as Zoro overpowering kaido for a split second or Zoro parrying kaido's attacks due to having 9 swords.
You chose which you want to believe.