Powers & Abilities Could it be that Zoro actually did go all out in dressrosa? Zoro doesn't know how to use asura
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I think its all to establish a narrative that Zoro is too strong to be a subordinate and no subordinate can match up to him hence hyping up Zoros ability to have exceptionally strong guys follow him.
For Zoro to get his match he needs to be fighting Luffys opponents not his own.
Or rather fighting captains and not RHM.
Zoro vs Killer is perfect example of that.
Hyped hp worst gen RHM got low diffed because Zoro is at the level of Kidd not killer @Monkey D Theories
While Luffy is also on the level of Kidd
For Zoro to get his match he needs to be fighting Luffys opponents not his own.
Or rather fighting captains and not RHM.
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Zoro vs Killer is perfect example of that.
Hyped hp worst gen RHM got low diffed because Zoro is at the level of Kidd not killer @Monkey D Theories
While Luffy is also on the level of Kidd
I forget who, but someone made a good point that Zoro can't use Ashura unless he is severely damaged. In Buddhism, Ashura is apart of the Cycle of Samsara, or "The Cycle of suffering". So it stands to reason that the only way Zoro is able to draw Ashura out is after going through a substantial amount of pain and suffering.
It makes sense, because that is Oda's way of doing things. He won't simply give his protagonist a substantial power boost, without setting some kind of stipulation, or drawback for using said powerup. In Zoro's case, there is no major kickback for using Ashura, so setting up a stipulation in order for him to use it, seems the most logical.
It makes sense, because that is Oda's way of doing things. He won't simply give his protagonist a substantial power boost, without setting some kind of stipulation, or drawback for using said powerup. In Zoro's case, there is no major kickback for using Ashura, so setting up a stipulation in order for him to use it, seems the most logical.
And so Oda decides to not let him go all out until Onigashima? I just can't help but feel like, if this was the case, that Oda mismanaged Zoro.
There are easier ways to show that narrative than this.
But since:
There are easier ways to show that narrative than this.
But since:
- Zoro doesn't use asura casually like Luffy uses G2/G3 and Sanji uses diable jambe
- Zoro has only used asura twice in the entire series, and they were both pre-skip
- we're 10 years into the post-timeskip and in one of the most pivotal parts of the series
- Both Sanji and jinbe went all out against a similarly huge opponent in fishman island
- santoryu Zoro could already rival G4 Luffy in terms of power
Break Week WG is probably the worst forum. I just don't know if people are trolling.
So you're posting the panel where Pica's IQ drops to zero and then he diotically jumps right into Zoro's swords and then loses as proof that he shouldn't have been dodging earlier or something? I'm not sure what you think you did there. Perhaps if you used words to show your thought process?
Because unlike what some might want you to believe, Oda tries to stay consistent with power structure. He can't make Pica too strong because Pica is under Doffy.
And like I said, a character like Robin hasn't been shown her limits.
So it is not only Zoro.
But then you need to ask yourself if there was any indication when Zoro used Asura twice preskip, that he didn't have mastery over it
And like I said, a character like Robin hasn't been shown her limits.
So it is not only Zoro.
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But then you need to ask yourself if there was any indication when Zoro used Asura twice preskip, that he didn't have mastery over it
This thread is making me laugh as a mf. Look at these creditless thing zorohaters are saying. Keep saying creditless things. Make me laugh. Amuse me clowns.
U literally don’t kno what all out is. All out is when a mf literally uses evey move taht he has to defeat his opponent. Your headcanon is ass Dawg. Quit reading op and start reading Juan Piece. 😂 Zoro was toying with Pica he made him look like fodder.
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U literally don’t kno what all out is. All out is when a mf literally uses evey move taht he has to defeat his opponent. Your headcanon is ass Dawg. Quit reading op and start reading Juan Piece. 😂 Zoro was toying with Pica he made him look like fodder.
I answered the specific question you presented. For all else said, you can't say Zoro couldn't stop him if Zoro stopped him, can't say he was able to keep dodging Zoro if he gave up on dodging, etc.
Not wasting my time if you hope to troll though. Please come up with an argument that isn't just refuted by the incident you mention being put in proper context.
Not wasting my time if you hope to troll though. Please come up with an argument that isn't just refuted by the incident you mention being put in proper context.
Break Week WG is probably the worst forum. I just don't know if people are trolling.
1st time when Luffy meets Zoro, he was actually already dead due to starving. The scene we saw was an imaginary char Luffy subconsciously created on the spot due to shock of seeing his 1st mate dead b4 even joining him. Luffy's pain and sadness overwhelmed him. he wasnt sad bcuz of Zoro but due to the fact that he cant keep his promise with Shanks. i mean how do u surpass a yonko's crew when u dont even have a crew
. So Luffy created a imaginary swordsman that joins him as his 1st mate. and Luffy also doesnt know that Zoro he knows never existed
. and rest of the cast and enemies and allies never spoke to Luffy about this. as they understood that the pain would be too much for the young man to handle. to tell him on his face that his life has been a lie
. thats why u see arc villain going -iq while fighting Luffy. its not that they are suddenly stupid BUT they feel sorry for Luffy and they decide to tank Luffy's last attack head-on out of pity and sympathy(Lucci/Dofla etc)
You mean pica being ONE STAT above Zoro makes Zoro not YC level? Pica only had mobility above Zoro and used it to run very well.
Okay Diamond Jozu has better Durability than White beard. Jozu has ONE STAT above whitebeard. I guess that means Whitebeard isn't Yonkou level??? Since he has ONE STAT lower than a YC
Okay Diamond Jozu has better Durability than White beard. Jozu has ONE STAT above whitebeard. I guess that means Whitebeard isn't Yonkou level??? Since he has ONE STAT lower than a YC
@Monkey D Theories No it would cost Oda a lot.
Again just look at pre time skip
Just like how I explained Oda made Zoro not use Sanzen Sekai for 400 chapters like how Asur a isn't being used, the Consideration of how strong Zoro is is always important.
Remember that for a large portion of Pre time skip, it's always been arguable that Zoro is pretty much as strong as luffy. And Oda knows that. Oda intentionally writes things like the two fighting in Whiskey peak because he knows they are relative.
And do you know what that leads to? That leads to Oda having to write the opponents of Zoro a certain way.
If Zoro is relative to Luffy in strength, that means that the opposing side must have a number two who is also relative to the final boss. And THAT CANNOT HAPPEN.
Understand, it's a special case that the strawhats have a vice captain who is relative to the captain. It's supposed to be special. That's why it's believable that other pirates keep confusing Zoro for the one who is the captain. Because it's extremely rare for their to be a subordinate who is relative to their captain.
And so the other gimmick of Zoro's pre time skip fights comes up. Zoro MUST BE NERFED. Since its supposed to be rare for a number two to be relative to the captain, Zoro who is relative to Luffy must get NERFED so that he can match up well to the number two.
See the pattern.
And guess what happened post time skip?
Zoro stopped getting NERFED. Oda finally got tired of having Zoro get nerfed so he had to settle for Zoro doesn't go all out.
If post time skip Zoro is relative to luffy (which we can argue about elsewhere) then unless Zoro gets nerfed similar to pre time skip, Pica would have to be relative to Doflamingo to match up. And this cannot happen. The literal story cannot allow pica to be relative to doffy or else it makes Zoro being relative to luffy less special.
I hope you see what I'm getting at.
It would cost Oda hundreds of chapters of setting up shit like urouge wondering how Zoro isn't a captain or Zoro tanking luffy's pain or Zoro beating the final villain hody in the arc itself before luffy.
Oda does these things to remind us that it's special that The strawhats have a number two who is relative to the captain and it cannot be special if every arc just has a bunch of number twos who are also relative to their captains.
Okay. I guess you don't have an answer.
I hope you've learned something
Again just look at pre time skip
Just like how I explained Oda made Zoro not use Sanzen Sekai for 400 chapters like how Asur a isn't being used, the Consideration of how strong Zoro is is always important.
Remember that for a large portion of Pre time skip, it's always been arguable that Zoro is pretty much as strong as luffy. And Oda knows that. Oda intentionally writes things like the two fighting in Whiskey peak because he knows they are relative.
And do you know what that leads to? That leads to Oda having to write the opponents of Zoro a certain way.
If Zoro is relative to Luffy in strength, that means that the opposing side must have a number two who is also relative to the final boss. And THAT CANNOT HAPPEN.
Understand, it's a special case that the strawhats have a vice captain who is relative to the captain. It's supposed to be special. That's why it's believable that other pirates keep confusing Zoro for the one who is the captain. Because it's extremely rare for their to be a subordinate who is relative to their captain.
And so the other gimmick of Zoro's pre time skip fights comes up. Zoro MUST BE NERFED. Since its supposed to be rare for a number two to be relative to the captain, Zoro who is relative to Luffy must get NERFED so that he can match up well to the number two.
See the pattern.
And guess what happened post time skip?
Zoro stopped getting NERFED. Oda finally got tired of having Zoro get nerfed so he had to settle for Zoro doesn't go all out.
If post time skip Zoro is relative to luffy (which we can argue about elsewhere) then unless Zoro gets nerfed similar to pre time skip, Pica would have to be relative to Doflamingo to match up. And this cannot happen. The literal story cannot allow pica to be relative to doffy or else it makes Zoro being relative to luffy less special.
I hope you see what I'm getting at.
It would cost Oda hundreds of chapters of setting up shit like urouge wondering how Zoro isn't a captain or Zoro tanking luffy's pain or Zoro beating the final villain hody in the arc itself before luffy.
Oda does these things to remind us that it's special that The strawhats have a number two who is relative to the captain and it cannot be special if every arc just has a bunch of number twos who are also relative to their captains.
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Okay. I guess you don't have an answer.
I hope you've learned something