Powers & Abilities Could it be the end of Zoro vs Sanji ?

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Zoro defeated Hawkins' doll while injured by nails. Hawkins is unharmed. Zoro was fainted due to hunger and one stab from an opponent much below King. Sanji appeared unharmed from Page One fight, and he allowed himself to be distracted because he tried to save Shinobu. Anyone can cherrypick powerlevel comparison.
Zoro one the stronger Hawkins form (g3 luffy), killer is below king but no page one and Sanji used rs when he said that he prefered died that used it.
 
sanji durability> rs sanji durability(just the suit not taking sanji’s own durability into consideration) = vinsmokes durability

taking sanji’s own durability into consideration with the raid suit is sanji durability + rs durability >> vinsmokes durability
That makes no sense.
The RS durability is superior to Sanji's base durability. So if the RS is able to take King's attack, then the other Vins will be able to do same because they all have a RS.

Sanji's base durability is not bullet proof but the RS is so moot point.
The Vins have exoskeleton which automatically puts their durability above Sanji's base. Not even an argument
 
I mean, Sanji who can easily tank a Drake dinosaur tail attack, can easily tank an electromagnetic kick with thrusters from Judge, can easily tank Daifuku's pitch, can easily tank a Yuen's giant steel ball... Sanji can suffer all these attacks without shedding a drop of blood. So is the durability of vinsmokes superior only because of the exoskeleton?

So let's assume that the durability of the Vinsmokes is superior to the durability of Whitebeard and Roger just because they are bulletproof.

Let's forget that Yonji and Niji were defeated and had their faces dented just by a basic unnamed Sanji kick lol

If Sanji can take King's attack, it is on its own merit of durability and physical endurance, the suit is just an additional layer of protection, he cannot do all the work.
 
Guess some just don't know what durability is.
Bleeding is not the only way of taking damage. Sanji took Damage from Yuen, from Niji, from Drake, From Daifuku and from Judge (even though he was holding back).

If you want to compare durability between Sanji and his brothers, we have manga panels demonstrating just that.
One bullet proof , the other not

If there's no damage on the RS then it is the RS which is dudable. Has nothing to do with Sanji.
 
Guess some just don't know what durability is.
Bleeding is not the only way of taking damage. Sanji took Damage from Yuen, from Niji, from Drake, From Daifuku and from Judge (even though he was holding back).

If you want to compare durability between Sanji and his brothers, we have manga panels demonstrating just that.
One bullet proof , the other not

If there's no damage on the RS then it is the RS which is dudable. Has nothing to do with Sanji.
Body hardness is different from durability.

Vinsmokes would definitely take damage from those same attacks that Sanji was able to endure without bleeding, even if they were using RS.

The fact that Sanji's durability + strength at its base is already comparable to that of the vinsmokes whit exoskeleton + RS, is proof that Sanji is already a monster by nature and effort, and the durability of the suit is just an additional layer of protection.

It would be something like
Durability/Resistance of Base Sanji: Note 6
Durability/Resistance of RS Ichiji: Note 6.5
So the durability/resistance of Sanji with RS: Note 10

No one from the germa would be able to withstand a lethal attack by the Zoan King, so that's a merit of Sanji
 
Going to copy my previous post in regards to what happened between King and Sanji

Going point by point :

1. Sanji intercepts King's kick which was aimed at Momonosuke mid motion while still invisible with a kick of his own.

2. Sanji spins around to his left and quickly switches Momonosuke into his left hand so that he is further away from King. Poor kid getting high speed flung through the air reacts with that " Urgh!", thus the odd positioning of the speech bubble not being aimed at Sanji's or King's heads.

3. King aims another kick with his right foot at Sanji, this time Sanji blocking it with the shin on his right leg, apparently resulting in a hardening clash between the two.

4. Sanji is preocupied with looking for Shinobu and throwing Momonosuke at her to ensure his safety, which allows King to get a hold of him. In spite of that Sanji manages to throw Momonosuke to safety and give him some pep talk.

5. King switches to his full Zoan form and dives beak forward into Sanji's stomach, aiming to crash both of them into the ground and pierce Sanji's body, hopefully resulting in his death.

The outcome remains to be seen, so far neither combatant has caused any damage to his opponent.
However, even in the hypothetical scenario of a one sided beatdown during a short skirmish, we would not reach the conclusion proposed by this thread.

We've already seen this happen back in EL when Sanji received a one sided beat down from Luffy's mid arc opponent ( Blueno ) and Zoro's end of the arc opponent before he even ate his DF ( Kaku ), and then went on to defeat an opponent much stronger than them in Hybrid form Jabra.

We would still need to see who Sanji ends up fighting if not King, and how Oda portrays Zoro and Sanji going forward.

Obviously most people would agree that Zoro is a bit stronger than Sanji, but Oda intending to drop their rivalry is very doubtful given it's length, and how even small stuff like Sanji getting a slightly higher bounty than Zoro in Wano is meant to feed into the rivalry between the two.
 
Body hardness is different from durability.

Vinsmokes would definitely take damage from those same attacks that Sanji was able to endure without bleeding, even if they were using RS.

The fact that Sanji's durability + strength at its base is already comparable to that of the vinsmokes whit exoskeleton + RS, is proof that Sanji is already a monster by nature and effort, and the durability of the suit is just an additional layer of protection.

It would be something like
Durability/Resistance of Base Sanji: Note 6
Durability/Resistance of RS Ichiji: Note 6.5
So the durability/resistance of Sanji with RS: Note 10

No one from the germa would be able to withstand a lethal attack by the Zoan King, so that's a merit of Sanji
Body hardness is Durability. Big Mom and Kaido are durable because of their bodies. WB is not as durable as either because of his body.

One is bullet proof, the other isn't. No need for mental gymnastics when it is so clear

The RS durability is constant for all Vinsmokes. If it is able to take an attack then all the Vins will be able to take that same attack. Sanji's base durability is not as hard as his siblings.


Nice made up numbers. But they are just more opinion than anything.

If he is able to take the attack with his RS then all Vins will be able to do same.... because they also have RS of Sam's durability
 
I mean, Sanji who can easily tank a Drake dinosaur tail attack, can easily tank an electromagnetic kick with thrusters from Judge, can easily tank Daifuku's pitch, can easily tank a Yuen's giant steel ball... Sanji can suffer all these attacks without shedding a drop of blood. So is the durability of vinsmokes superior only because of the exoskeleton?

So let's assume that the durability of the Vinsmokes is superior to the durability of Whitebeard and Roger just because they are bulletproof.

Let's forget that Yonji and Niji were defeated and had their faces dented just by a basic unnamed Sanji kick lol

If Sanji can take King's attack, it is on its own merit of durability and physical endurance, the suit is just an additional layer of protection, he cannot do all the work.
On top of that, bullets in WCI were designed to penetrate exoskeletons. Vinsmoke brothers were not affected by bullets not because of their exoskeletons, but because of their RS, after which Charlotte family brought RS+exoskeleton penetrating bullets.
Sanji’s durability without exoskeleton was already close/if not superior to his brothers’ in base. With RS, he is most probably superior to his brothers in terms of almost every stats. Add to that the potential of awakening exoskeleton, Sanji might be a beast durability wise
 
Nice mental gymnastics. King overpowered Sanji by transforming into his most powerful form. Going full zoan means more mass and more thrust in kings case. Sanji will be fine next chapter and he has just locked down his end of arc fight.
You probably don't mean to say King went into his most powerful form, rather most suitable form for the attack.

It's like Queen vs Big Mom. It's most suitable for Queen to be in his largest form for the attack he performed, even if both King and Queen are overall superior combatants in hybrid. It's for the specific attacks that they are at their best in Full Zoan form.
 
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