Powers & Abilities Could it be the end of Zoro vs Sanji ?
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Sanji was able to defend King's kick, he felt safe enough to converse with others while throwing Shinobu, while a YC1 threaten to kill him, it's not a bad feat at all. Luffy suffers humiliation to Apoo's bomb, Luffy was humiliated against Carrot. Zoro fainted after being stabbed once by Killer, and Hawkins' nails able to make him bleed without him capable of reacting didn't hype his defensive or reactionary capabilities. Everyone has their bad feats handed by Oda, Sanji's struggling against YC1 was not a bad feat at all compared to struggling against minor opponents.
We all witnessed in the recent chapter, a clash between King and Sanji :
What happened here is that Sanji blocked King who wanted to take Momo.
The thing blocking a beast like is really hard that's why we can see Sanji having trouble here :
Be careful, Sanji didn't say "Hit" here, it's a mistake because the word used here is "ウギ" and not "ヒット = Hit", you can search by yourselves what it means.
Anyway, that's not a bad thing but i remember haters saying Zoro is huffing/puffing against lots of ennemies but here Sanji is saying something like that also so ? keep in mind, it means nothing for both of them.
Now let's talk about what King did to Sanji after that :
He choked him, Sanji couldn't do anything here, that's why he gave Momo to Shinobu.
For now let's say, Sanji wanted to save Momo that's why he couldn't do anything.
But the next panels are showing the huge difference between him and King.
King had the time to transform into his Pteranodon form and Sanji couldn't do anything, he even saying here "Oi oi, this is dangerous what are you doing?" and "let me go you bird bastard" ... In this particular moment, he can't use sarcasm as some claimed because he didn't have time for that, because if he couldn't follow King's transformation, no way he had time to troll ... and he is not kizaru or marco to have the strenght or freedom to troll.
Because :
Because in this panel, he is literally saying "i will die if my belly opens", yes this is hella weird but it's weird because it shows how the attack was deadly and not to be underestimated, and shows Sanji telling the truth : he could die if he has a hole in his stomach.
It shows the difference of power between King who just casually used his power and Sanji who isn't even thinking about being defeated but death itself.
Here King didn't want to just let him go with a hole but wanted to split him in two and told him to disappear. Sanji is using here his ability again and is invisible because he wanted to escape from the attack and said again "let me go". So his invisibility ability is just for the visual as Sanji said, so anyone can attack him if they see or touch him. So King is countering actually Sanji's main advantage of his new PU while Sanji couldn't do anything.
Lots of people claimed Sanji's fort is aerial but the two times he fought against a strong opponent in the air (doffy and king), he didn't look good. Not because Sanji is weak in the air but his opponents are far stronger.
And finally King send him into a building with Luffy using the word "やべエな" which means "this is really dangerous", this word is only used when something really dangerous is happening, that's why Luffy the next panel said to Yamato to take care of this because he wanted to help Sanji, again because King is too powerful.
So what we can learn from all of this, is the fact King is too powerful for Sanji, it's logical even Luffy was dying against Katakuri. You can't expect Sanji to jump from a certain lvl to YC1 lvl, impossible otherwise Raid Suit is the best PU in One piece. But the facts, Sanji couldn't even scratch King.
The gap between them is huge honestly, because King didn't show anything else like his hybrid form, sword or fire ability. And Oda didn't even revealed his bounty yet. There is no better opportunity to reveal his bounty against the opponent who gonna defeat him, but it wasn't the case because Sanji is not King's opponent, Oda just used his ability and smartness to save Momo, that's all.
So now, if the next chapter their clash is over, it means King overpowered Sanji and he couldn't do anything. So Sanji is still not in YC1 lvl.
I see Sanji defeating Queen just because of Shonen logic, but i'm not even sure anymore because Queen is the one who knocked out even Big Mom herself, that's huge.
The real debate is now : If Zoro defeats King in a pure 1 vs 1, it means Zoro is also way above Sanji. We can all find excuses for everything, but we can't deny what happened in this chapter and how Oda portrayed Sanji against King.
The fact King is still not using his sword means everything. He will use it against a swordsman, otherwise Oda will be dumb to give a meitou to someone. If it was a simple swords like Queen or Jack, i would understand but King has a real katana.
And franckly speaking, I don't see anyone capable to take King right now besides Luffy, Zoro or maybe Kidd (if we go by portrayal) but Kidd has more grudges against Queen who is free right now and Kaido himself.
Is it the moment when Oda gonna give Luffy and Zoro the fame and feats that the future PK and WSS deserve, and forget the "non-serious rivalries" with Kidd, Law for L and with Sanji for Z ?
I think yes, because if we are at the end of One Piece, Oda needs to hype and gives the strenght to the main fighters in order to achieve their dreams.
Mihawk is one of the strongest guys in OP, so Zoro defeating King will not change anything because any top tiers will defeat King around mid to high diff.
That's why Zoro vs King is sure at 100%, it's just Oda playing and showing lots of clashes. We could also expect a small clash between Marco vs King, because it's an all out war and everyone can clash with anyone but the true 1 vs 1 fights are not yet.
What you think ?
What happened here is that Sanji blocked King who wanted to take Momo.
The thing blocking a beast like is really hard that's why we can see Sanji having trouble here :
Be careful, Sanji didn't say "Hit" here, it's a mistake because the word used here is "ウギ" and not "ヒット = Hit", you can search by yourselves what it means.
Anyway, that's not a bad thing but i remember haters saying Zoro is huffing/puffing against lots of ennemies but here Sanji is saying something like that also so ? keep in mind, it means nothing for both of them.
Now let's talk about what King did to Sanji after that :
He choked him, Sanji couldn't do anything here, that's why he gave Momo to Shinobu.
For now let's say, Sanji wanted to save Momo that's why he couldn't do anything.
But the next panels are showing the huge difference between him and King.
King had the time to transform into his Pteranodon form and Sanji couldn't do anything, he even saying here "Oi oi, this is dangerous what are you doing?" and "let me go you bird bastard" ... In this particular moment, he can't use sarcasm as some claimed because he didn't have time for that, because if he couldn't follow King's transformation, no way he had time to troll ... and he is not kizaru or marco to have the strenght or freedom to troll.
Because :
Because in this panel, he is literally saying "i will die if my belly opens", yes this is hella weird but it's weird because it shows how the attack was deadly and not to be underestimated, and shows Sanji telling the truth : he could die if he has a hole in his stomach.
It shows the difference of power between King who just casually used his power and Sanji who isn't even thinking about being defeated but death itself.
Here King didn't want to just let him go with a hole but wanted to split him in two and told him to disappear. Sanji is using here his ability again and is invisible because he wanted to escape from the attack and said again "let me go". So his invisibility ability is just for the visual as Sanji said, so anyone can attack him if they see or touch him. So King is countering actually Sanji's main advantage of his new PU while Sanji couldn't do anything.
Lots of people claimed Sanji's fort is aerial but the two times he fought against a strong opponent in the air (doffy and king), he didn't look good. Not because Sanji is weak in the air but his opponents are far stronger.
So what we can learn from all of this, is the fact King is too powerful for Sanji, it's logical even Luffy was dying against Katakuri. You can't expect Sanji to jump from a certain lvl to YC1 lvl, impossible otherwise Raid Suit is the best PU in One piece. But the facts, Sanji couldn't even scratch King.
The gap between them is huge honestly, because King didn't show anything else like his hybrid form, sword or fire ability. And Oda didn't even revealed his bounty yet. There is no better opportunity to reveal his bounty against the opponent who gonna defeat him, but it wasn't the case because Sanji is not King's opponent, Oda just used his ability and smartness to save Momo, that's all.
So now, if the next chapter their clash is over, it means King overpowered Sanji and he couldn't do anything. So Sanji is still not in YC1 lvl.
I see Sanji defeating Queen just because of Shonen logic, but i'm not even sure anymore because Queen is the one who knocked out even Big Mom herself, that's huge.
The real debate is now : If Zoro defeats King in a pure 1 vs 1, it means Zoro is also way above Sanji. We can all find excuses for everything, but we can't deny what happened in this chapter and how Oda portrayed Sanji against King.
The fact King is still not using his sword means everything. He will use it against a swordsman, otherwise Oda will be dumb to give a meitou to someone. If it was a simple swords like Queen or Jack, i would understand but King has a real katana.
And franckly speaking, I don't see anyone capable to take King right now besides Luffy, Zoro or maybe Kidd (if we go by portrayal) but Kidd has more grudges against Queen who is free right now and Kaido himself.
Is it the moment when Oda gonna give Luffy and Zoro the fame and feats that the future PK and WSS deserve, and forget the "non-serious rivalries" with Kidd, Law for L and with Sanji for Z ?
I think yes, because if we are at the end of One Piece, Oda needs to hype and gives the strenght to the main fighters in order to achieve their dreams.
Mihawk is one of the strongest guys in OP, so Zoro defeating King will not change anything because any top tiers will defeat King around mid to high diff.
That's why Zoro vs King is sure at 100%, it's just Oda playing and showing lots of clashes. We could also expect a small clash between Marco vs King, because it's an all out war and everyone can clash with anyone but the true 1 vs 1 fights are not yet.
What you think ?
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This looks like an end I agree, but it's the otherway around. Zoro and Sanji were on the same level until Raid Suit, and now Sanji gets ahead of Zoro not in bounty, but in power as well.
People are underestimating how great being invisible is. Blackbeard's top 2 guy, Shiryu has invisibility, he is one of the most powerful commander alongside with Aokiji. We've seen Sanji was overpowering a Tobi Roppo; Page1 while trying to get used to his new suit, Luffy almost needed G4 while fighting with Ulti, who is on the same level with Page1, while Zoro was struggling with people who are behind of Tobi Roppo, such as Killer and Hawkins. And then Gifters, Sanji with Raid Suid would have no trouble against the Gifters. A power up like Invisibility + Flight without kicking the air + repulsors that increases the power of his kick + additional armor without making any weight are incredible powers, and no doubt Sanji is ahead of Zoro right now, until Zoro comes up with another power up.
People are underestimating how great being invisible is. Blackbeard's top 2 guy, Shiryu has invisibility, he is one of the most powerful commander alongside with Aokiji. We've seen Sanji was overpowering a Tobi Roppo; Page1 while trying to get used to his new suit, Luffy almost needed G4 while fighting with Ulti, who is on the same level with Page1, while Zoro was struggling with people who are behind of Tobi Roppo, such as Killer and Hawkins. And then Gifters, Sanji with Raid Suid would have no trouble against the Gifters. A power up like Invisibility + Flight without kicking the air + repulsors that increases the power of his kick + additional armor without making any weight are incredible powers, and no doubt Sanji is ahead of Zoro right now, until Zoro comes up with another power up.
Its amazing how Zoro didnt even appear this chapter but Swallowers still make it about him and Sanji.
Then they cry and say Sanji fans leech off Zoro.
Then they cry and say Sanji fans leech off Zoro.
i always see rivalry between z ans S as a gag and noting more and i don't think they are close in power right now but i think Luffy Zoro and Sanji will be Close in power in Eos
about this clash honestly i don't think we can say that much Base of 1 or 2 clash in most fight shp will seems weaker than their opponent in beginning of the fight personaly i don't think sanji will fight king but if it happened i have no problem with it
about this clash honestly i don't think we can say that much Base of 1 or 2 clash in most fight shp will seems weaker than their opponent in beginning of the fight personaly i don't think sanji will fight king but if it happened i have no problem with it
headcannons getting out of hand man
sanji as strong as zoro:
sanji stronger than zoro:
i mean what do u expect oda just suddenly dropping the character who was destined to be the second strongest in the crew since he joined just to make a bunch of sanji fans happy that their fav character isnt mainly a cook but also stronger than the fighter of the crew.
Zoro defeated Hawkins' doll while injured by nails. Hawkins is unharmed. Zoro was fainted due to hunger and one stab from an opponent much below King. Sanji appeared unharmed from Page One fight, and he allowed himself to be distracted because he tried to save Shinobu. Anyone can cherrypick powerlevel comparison.
