Speculations Could Luffy use a sword against Kaido?!
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You want Luffy to be Naruto or Goku?
I don't remember a scene where Luffy had a problem with Nami for helping him beat cracker.... and remember he had NO CHOICE HERE... He did not have the arsenal to deal with cracker so someone covered for him...
So where's the panel where Luffy barks St nami to know her place
But Luffy does learn things... He learned the advanced armament....
Your issue is that he doesn't learn EVERYTHING... He doesn't learn the poneglyphs language, swordsmanship, navigation, metrology, cooking, snipping, medicine, music, carpentry and everything rlde required to become pirate king.... Hehehe...you want a regular ol Gary Stu Luffy
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I don't remember a scene where Luffy had a problem with Nami for helping him beat cracker.... and remember he had NO CHOICE HERE... He did not have the arsenal to deal with cracker so someone covered for him...
So where's the panel where Luffy barks St nami to know her place
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But Luffy does learn things... He learned the advanced armament....
Your issue is that he doesn't learn EVERYTHING... He doesn't learn the poneglyphs language, swordsmanship, navigation, metrology, cooking, snipping, medicine, music, carpentry and everything rlde required to become pirate king.... Hehehe...you want a regular ol Gary Stu Luffy
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So nami basically neutralising Cracker's entire power set, Brook doing more damage to Big mom than Luffy EVER HAS UNTIL NOW (He destroyed the caramel photo and cut prometheus, two feats beyond anything Luffy has done to Big mom) and of course Nami again taking control of a Yonkou's powers by messing with the homies and stealing a yonkou's powers like Zeus... ALL THESE ARE BEYOND ANYTHING LUFFY MANAGED TO DO TO BIG MOM THE ENTIRE ARC AND EVEN WHEN BIG MOM LOST MEMORY...
I guess we should all lose respect for Luffy now then?
I guess we should all lose respect for Luffy now then?
Cutting Jack and his weapon is more telling. Cutting a mountain doesn't guarantee you're a top commander level guy, punking off a top commander level guy does though.
Law looked nice against Vergo splitting a mountain in half yet proceeded to get destroyed by Doflamingo with moves that don't even come close to that scale. Point is it's easy to flex on much weaker opponents. Doflamingo a top commander lvl opponent, was a different story.
Ashura Doji has effectively shown he can hang with top commanders, Luffy needed Dressrosa's entire population to deal with one, after getting stronger still needed help just to deal with a YC3 on WCI. We don't just hand out freebies to someone below Luffy, when Luffy himself couldn't defeat a single top commander lvl guy without major assistance.
Zoro has yet to show he can. Cutting a mountain isn't showing that. I have no doubt in my mind post training he will show out, but let's not act like Ashura Doji isn't at a level Zoro has yet to show.
Law looked nice against Vergo splitting a mountain in half yet proceeded to get destroyed by Doflamingo with moves that don't even come close to that scale. Point is it's easy to flex on much weaker opponents. Doflamingo a top commander lvl opponent, was a different story.
Ashura Doji has effectively shown he can hang with top commanders, Luffy needed Dressrosa's entire population to deal with one, after getting stronger still needed help just to deal with a YC3 on WCI. We don't just hand out freebies to someone below Luffy, when Luffy himself couldn't defeat a single top commander lvl guy without major assistance.
Zoro has yet to show he can. Cutting a mountain isn't showing that. I have no doubt in my mind post training he will show out, but let's not act like Ashura Doji isn't at a level Zoro has yet to show.
Goku is singlehandedly equipped to achieve his goals in his universe
You want Luffy to singlehandedly be able to do this too... Meaning he should have every base of his weaknesses covered meaning he should have ALL THE SKILLS OF THE ENTIRE CREW and HAVE ALL THEIR FIGHTING STRENGTHS but of course none of their weaknesses
And btw, don't use terms like "be his own man"... thats dumb... You literally aren't even using it correctly
Oh so cutting Jack was a mountain level feat... Wow... how did you arrive at that?
You want Luffy to singlehandedly be able to do this too... Meaning he should have every base of his weaknesses covered meaning he should have ALL THE SKILLS OF THE ENTIRE CREW and HAVE ALL THEIR FIGHTING STRENGTHS but of course none of their weaknesses
And btw, don't use terms like "be his own man"... thats dumb... You literally aren't even using it correctly
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Oh so cutting Jack was a mountain level feat... Wow... how did you arrive at that?
No Your just overexaggerating what I mean to fit your own dialog. Fuck you for that. Goku only has his fighting goal, he has nothing else; besides that retconning bs of him being a Radish Farmer, there isn't much else/substance in him. Did I ever say Luffy should learn to outcook Sanji? Learn how to Snipe better than Usopp? ...etc. No I didn't. You don't have much of an argument besides just staying with the stagnate status quo. Oda and most other Manga writers do the same, Doesn't mean "I" have to like it because they do it, What are you a fucking sheep to the herd?
You are acting like doflamingo isn't specifically well suited to deal with law's fruit having prior knowledge about everything it does
If you want to claim other stats outside of DC are a factor then be my guest... We've literally been told that Zoro has better Haki skill than the scabbards from the Enma business... Zoro's speed is obviously enough to deal with Jack given jack isn't potrayed to be fast in any of his encounters
So that's it right? The stuff Shutenmaru needed to cut Jack were DC, speed, and Haki.... All three of these Zoro has either been PROVEN to be better than Ashura douji or is a non factor regarding Zoro
So Luffy should "be his own man" by having on everyone's fighting capabilities... He should be the greatest sniper, should summon soul ice from the under world, create black blades, summon lightning from the heavens, have a power rangers bullet proof invisible suit, shoot lasers and have multiple physical transformations
This is your perfect MC... the one who can do all the fighting for everyone and so he is "his own man"... Hehehe.... So stupid
If you want to claim other stats outside of DC are a factor then be my guest... We've literally been told that Zoro has better Haki skill than the scabbards from the Enma business... Zoro's speed is obviously enough to deal with Jack given jack isn't potrayed to be fast in any of his encounters
So that's it right? The stuff Shutenmaru needed to cut Jack were DC, speed, and Haki.... All three of these Zoro has either been PROVEN to be better than Ashura douji or is a non factor regarding Zoro
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So Luffy should "be his own man" by having on everyone's fighting capabilities... He should be the greatest sniper, should summon soul ice from the under world, create black blades, summon lightning from the heavens, have a power rangers bullet proof invisible suit, shoot lasers and have multiple physical transformations
This is your perfect MC... the one who can do all the fighting for everyone and so he is "his own man"... Hehehe.... So stupid
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Guy has like 3 panels hardly fighting and you want me to write a bio listing his stats lmao. Relax.
What should be or could be doesn't matter.
We were talking about cutting a mountain vs cutting Jack were we not? So why are we getting into hypotheticals of what you believe Zoro can do (heck I never said he could or couldn't, that's not even the point here).
You don't gift someone weaker than Luffy, a level where Luffy needed major assistance to deal with (Doflamingo, Cracker) because they cut some terrain. You compared Shutenmaru's feat to Zoro's, I'm telling you which is more relevant and tells us something for power ranking.
Ashura Doji through clashing and cutting a man (and his blade) around that level (Doffy, Cracker) immediately tells us he's among them. Zoro cutting Pica doesn't, just like Law splitting Vergo/PH didn't, no amount of filler you type up is changing that.
And did you really try to convince me that Law was Doflamingo level but just ended up in a bad matchup? Both people had intel on each other but poor Law he only looked much weaker because the knowledge was spread fairly. Lmao ok then.
What should be or could be doesn't matter.
We were talking about cutting a mountain vs cutting Jack were we not? So why are we getting into hypotheticals of what you believe Zoro can do (heck I never said he could or couldn't, that's not even the point here).
You don't gift someone weaker than Luffy, a level where Luffy needed major assistance to deal with (Doflamingo, Cracker) because they cut some terrain. You compared Shutenmaru's feat to Zoro's, I'm telling you which is more relevant and tells us something for power ranking.
Ashura Doji through clashing and cutting a man (and his blade) around that level (Doffy, Cracker) immediately tells us he's among them. Zoro cutting Pica doesn't, just like Law splitting Vergo/PH didn't, no amount of filler you type up is changing that.
And did you really try to convince me that Law was Doflamingo level but just ended up in a bad matchup? Both people had intel on each other but poor Law he only looked much weaker because the knowledge was spread fairly. Lmao ok then.
Oh so it's you don't want to compare stats or consider match ups when power scaling?
TF do you use to power scale then? This is dumb, you realise that Match ups are the bread and butter of how Oda makes fights in one piece... Luffy having trouble with Cracker has literally zero bearing on whether he has trouble with Jack.... Cracker's power set is directly suited to combat Luffy's same as Doflamingo knowing exactly how to counter Law's powers DEFINITELY CONTRIBUTES to how well he does against him
For fucks sake you know this I'm sure, fuckin Enel vs Luffy exists to tell you that match ups affect OP fights and power scaling
Geez so if you think Match ups aren't a thing or Comparing stats like the story literally telling us Zoro has better haki than Ashura also doesn't matter to you then I'm done... you can keep up your delusion of what you think goes into power scaling these things but as it stands, Zoro has better stats and better feats and you have not said jack shit to change that in the story
TF do you use to power scale then? This is dumb, you realise that Match ups are the bread and butter of how Oda makes fights in one piece... Luffy having trouble with Cracker has literally zero bearing on whether he has trouble with Jack.... Cracker's power set is directly suited to combat Luffy's same as Doflamingo knowing exactly how to counter Law's powers DEFINITELY CONTRIBUTES to how well he does against him
For fucks sake you know this I'm sure, fuckin Enel vs Luffy exists to tell you that match ups affect OP fights and power scaling
Geez so if you think Match ups aren't a thing or Comparing stats like the story literally telling us Zoro has better haki than Ashura also doesn't matter to you then I'm done... you can keep up your delusion of what you think goes into power scaling these things but as it stands, Zoro has better stats and better feats and you have not said jack shit to change that in the story
More filler talk which doesn't address the actual point, great.
Have we seen Jack in hybrid form? How many panels of Ashura Doji fighting do we have? What are you on about matchups and stats for? Slow down a bit, we're discussing Zoro cutting Pica in half vs Ashura cutting Jack and what the two feats mean. Stop diverting the point.
One carries more weight than the other, I quoted you downplaying cutting Jack like Zoro's feat carries more weight, when it clearly doesn't proven by Law.
Oh matchups contribute to difficulty? Thanks Sherlock, grow a pair and say something meaningful. If your point isn't that Law is on Doflamingo level, then miss me with the fluff. Say it with your chest out, you believe Law is on the same level as Mingo, there's no point to you bringing those points up if you don't.
Luffy beating Enel does not affect power scaling. Just like Mr.3 blocking Magellan's attacks while Luffy couldn't, didn't affect power scaling. Remind me what this has to do with anything? Are you equating Doflamingo vs Law to these situations (direct df counters in a hakiless world)? You thought bringing up a clear false equivalency would help your argument?
Mhm, Zoro in Wano is receiving injuries from Jack's lackeys who couldn't hold Jack's jockstrap, while in absolutely minimal panel time Ashura Doji is giving Jack the Calamity injuries punking Jack off and cementing himself on the level of elite commanders like Jack.
Now try and follow this because this is the only point and focus of this discussion:
Zoro in Dressrosa nor Law in Punk Hazard with tons of panel time and mountain cuts/splits could not cement what Ashura Doji did in that one panel. That's called weight and that's why your blatant downplaying of that feat is embarrassing. That's all I need you to acknowledge. I feel I've been crystal clear with what I'm trying to convey to you, if you don't get it now, me responding to you after this is just a waste of time.
Have we seen Jack in hybrid form? How many panels of Ashura Doji fighting do we have? What are you on about matchups and stats for? Slow down a bit, we're discussing Zoro cutting Pica in half vs Ashura cutting Jack and what the two feats mean. Stop diverting the point.
One carries more weight than the other, I quoted you downplaying cutting Jack like Zoro's feat carries more weight, when it clearly doesn't proven by Law.
Oh matchups contribute to difficulty? Thanks Sherlock, grow a pair and say something meaningful. If your point isn't that Law is on Doflamingo level, then miss me with the fluff. Say it with your chest out, you believe Law is on the same level as Mingo, there's no point to you bringing those points up if you don't.
Luffy beating Enel does not affect power scaling. Just like Mr.3 blocking Magellan's attacks while Luffy couldn't, didn't affect power scaling. Remind me what this has to do with anything? Are you equating Doflamingo vs Law to these situations (direct df counters in a hakiless world)? You thought bringing up a clear false equivalency would help your argument?
Mhm, Zoro in Wano is receiving injuries from Jack's lackeys who couldn't hold Jack's jockstrap, while in absolutely minimal panel time Ashura Doji is giving Jack the Calamity injuries punking Jack off and cementing himself on the level of elite commanders like Jack.
Now try and follow this because this is the only point and focus of this discussion:
Zoro in Dressrosa nor Law in Punk Hazard with tons of panel time and mountain cuts/splits could not cement what Ashura Doji did in that one panel. That's called weight and that's why your blatant downplaying of that feat is embarrassing. That's all I need you to acknowledge. I feel I've been crystal clear with what I'm trying to convey to you, if you don't get it now, me responding to you after this is just a waste of time.