Speculations Could Luffy use a sword against Kaido?!
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How are they Luffy's peers but not Zoro's peers, when they're all in the Worst Generation? Brownbeard and Hawkins himself make no distinctions between the Worst Generation captains, the Worst Generation non-captains, or the Worst Generation Yonko. They're all in the same generation, and they're all noted as having the potential to be the Pirate King - even though we know it'll be Luffy.
Do you have a panel talking about the different membership tiers in the Worst Generation? Are the WG captains paying extra for a platinum membership while Killer and Zoro are only paying for gold or something?
And we know Luffy isn't Kidd, but when has Luffy told the crew to know their place? And again, how is Luffy fighting alongside the other WG captains (who are too weak to be of any help, according to you. They have no feats against YC1s) fine and dandy, but fighting alongside his #2 (who is also in the WG) undermining him? Zoro's the only other WG member who's confirmed to have a way of damaging Kaido...
Remember how Luffy didn't even defeat Oars and Moria by himself, but had to use Nightmare Luffy to damage Moria and then Oars had to be taken out with the Straw Hats working together and breaking its spine? And then Moria used Shadow Asgard (which he couldn't even handle properly) and Luffy used Gear Stacking and STILL couldn't KO Moria? (The mast of TB finished Moria off after he passed out)
I guess Luffy solo'd the Pacifista too?
Luffy doesn't have help from his crew in crunch time? Luffy couldn't finish Lucci off without Usopp provoking Lucci which motivated Luffy.
And if Luffy isn't going to solo Kaido, why does it matter if Zoro (the only other person with the means to actually damage Kaido) join up?
Yeah, but why give Zoro the blade that scarred Kaido? Why didn't he get Ame no Habakiri? Why didn't Oda make Ame no Habakiri (the sword Oden's actual heir got) the one to scar Kaido? Women in Wano seem to be considered lesser than men...
Do you have a panel talking about the different membership tiers in the Worst Generation? Are the WG captains paying extra for a platinum membership while Killer and Zoro are only paying for gold or something?
And we know Luffy isn't Kidd, but when has Luffy told the crew to know their place? And again, how is Luffy fighting alongside the other WG captains (who are too weak to be of any help, according to you. They have no feats against YC1s) fine and dandy, but fighting alongside his #2 (who is also in the WG) undermining him? Zoro's the only other WG member who's confirmed to have a way of damaging Kaido...
Remember how Luffy didn't even defeat Oars and Moria by himself, but had to use Nightmare Luffy to damage Moria and then Oars had to be taken out with the Straw Hats working together and breaking its spine? And then Moria used Shadow Asgard (which he couldn't even handle properly) and Luffy used Gear Stacking and STILL couldn't KO Moria? (The mast of TB finished Moria off after he passed out)
I guess Luffy solo'd the Pacifista too?
Luffy doesn't have help from his crew in crunch time? Luffy couldn't finish Lucci off without Usopp provoking Lucci which motivated Luffy.
And if Luffy isn't going to solo Kaido, why does it matter if Zoro (the only other person with the means to actually damage Kaido) join up?
Yeah, but why give Zoro the blade that scarred Kaido? Why didn't he get Ame no Habakiri? Why didn't Oda make Ame no Habakiri (the sword Oden's actual heir got) the one to scar Kaido? Women in Wano seem to be considered lesser than men...
Then you fundamentally disagree with a core aspect of the story. The Strawhats are a crew. A unit. They cover eachothers' weaknesses. Luffy's crewmates are here to aid him on his path to being Pirate King. One of the first things Luffy said was that he'd have a crew better than Shanks'. That's undermined if Luffy doesn't have people around to cover his shortcomings.
how did this get to a thread on zoro?
1.its about luffy using a sword which I find funny
2. which I find ridiculous if he is able to use it to hurt a top tier. but a couple days back couldnt even mow down hawkins men with the nidai. he deferred to his fist with the sword in his hand.
3. why not have him train with a sword this entire time in udon.
4. which blade would he use? surely not enma or ame no habakiri
moriah shadows arent out of the question tho
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I believe I mentioned oden's prime (commander) not max potential cap which at this point is diving too far into opinion/head canon theory. He was in his late thirties when he died. I highly doubt his cap was above any othe yonkos seeing that shanks is around that age rn .
1.its about luffy using a sword which I find funny
2. which I find ridiculous if he is able to use it to hurt a top tier. but a couple days back couldnt even mow down hawkins men with the nidai. he deferred to his fist with the sword in his hand.
3. why not have him train with a sword this entire time in udon.
4. which blade would he use? surely not enma or ame no habakiri
moriah shadows arent out of the question tho
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I believe I mentioned oden's prime (commander) not max potential cap which at this point is diving too far into opinion/head canon theory. He was in his late thirties when he died. I highly doubt his cap was above any othe yonkos seeing that shanks is around that age rn .
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Yeah, because Doflamingo and Kaido are completely different enemies. Luffy and Law are one of the three leaders of the Supernova, the other being Kid. Zoro is not on par with Law and Kid in that regard, nor Hawkins or Drake, who have seemingly been portrayed as just behind the other three.
Cracker was not nerfed. Nami did not hurt him in any way. All she did was rid him of the ability to stall Luffy, which he resorted to because he didn’t want to square up against Luffy after the initial bout.
That’s actually false. Luffy always defeats his enemy the final time due to his strength.
Because while they’re all in the Worst Generation, they’re not Zoro’s rivals, they’re Luffy’s.
Actually, if you wanted a demonstration that there’s different tiers of WG, all you have to do is look at Sabaody, when Luffy, Law, and Kid we’re separated as the leaders of the generation. So yes, there is evidence of a hierarchy.
He hasn’t had to tell them to know their place, because they already know it. But for reference, he essentially told Franky on EL something to that effect, when he told him to stop fucking around with Lucci and go get Robin while he took care of Lucci. There’s been multiple references to this theme throughout the story, one time of which came directly from Zoro’s own mouth. It absolutely undermines Luffy that a subordinate would do significant damage to his chief enemy thus far in the new world, and would not for people that are Luffy’s rivals, people who are competing against Luffy.
Which is actually false, because Luffy did handle Moria on his own after the SH’s broke Oars, and did so while everybody else stood and watched.
The pacifists is entirely different as they were all trying to run away and nobody was taking individual fights, as that would have been counter productive to the actual goal.
Lmao because Usopp telling him to get up would be the same as Usopp significantly damaging Lucci. Stop. It’s not even remotely the same.
It matters because it would make absolutely no sense from a power perspective, it would renege on dominant themes of the story, and because Kaido is Luffy’s enemy, not Zoro’s.
Because Zoro needed a blade now that he couldn’t get Shusui back and Enma further establishes a connection between the SH’s and the Kozuki. Beyond that there is way to much focus on Enma cutting Kaido, because Enma did not cut Kaido, Oden did with Enma. There is a difference. Simply having the sword doesn’t make you strong enough to cut Kaido, and we’ve seen that Zoro is not strong enough, courtesy of Kaido when he knocked out Luffy, who was far stronger then than Zoro is now, in one blow.
Cracker was not nerfed. Nami did not hurt him in any way. All she did was rid him of the ability to stall Luffy, which he resorted to because he didn’t want to square up against Luffy after the initial bout.
That’s actually false. Luffy always defeats his enemy the final time due to his strength.
Because while they’re all in the Worst Generation, they’re not Zoro’s rivals, they’re Luffy’s.
Actually, if you wanted a demonstration that there’s different tiers of WG, all you have to do is look at Sabaody, when Luffy, Law, and Kid we’re separated as the leaders of the generation. So yes, there is evidence of a hierarchy.
He hasn’t had to tell them to know their place, because they already know it. But for reference, he essentially told Franky on EL something to that effect, when he told him to stop fucking around with Lucci and go get Robin while he took care of Lucci. There’s been multiple references to this theme throughout the story, one time of which came directly from Zoro’s own mouth. It absolutely undermines Luffy that a subordinate would do significant damage to his chief enemy thus far in the new world, and would not for people that are Luffy’s rivals, people who are competing against Luffy.
Which is actually false, because Luffy did handle Moria on his own after the SH’s broke Oars, and did so while everybody else stood and watched.
The pacifists is entirely different as they were all trying to run away and nobody was taking individual fights, as that would have been counter productive to the actual goal.
Lmao because Usopp telling him to get up would be the same as Usopp significantly damaging Lucci. Stop. It’s not even remotely the same.
It matters because it would make absolutely no sense from a power perspective, it would renege on dominant themes of the story, and because Kaido is Luffy’s enemy, not Zoro’s.
Because Zoro needed a blade now that he couldn’t get Shusui back and Enma further establishes a connection between the SH’s and the Kozuki. Beyond that there is way to much focus on Enma cutting Kaido, because Enma did not cut Kaido, Oden did with Enma. There is a difference. Simply having the sword doesn’t make you strong enough to cut Kaido, and we’ve seen that Zoro is not strong enough, courtesy of Kaido when he knocked out Luffy, who was far stronger then than Zoro is now, in one blow.
