General & Others Crew duos + a standout
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As expected os a Sanjistan, you cant powerscale for shit.
Imagine thinking prime Ray was weaker than fucking Oden, or thinking Ace was stronger than Marco, bitch he got neg diffed in 0.03 seconds by an admiral, while Marco could at least keep up a fight with them even though he was clearly inferior. Bepo is also trash, that prisioner dude is stronger than him definely. Not to mention other atrocious examples like Yamato who is clearly inferior to King and maybe even queen.
This pannel just show the vice captains, as for shiryu, is it any wonder he would become vice captain this quickly in a crew that values strenght above EVERYTHING?
Imagine thinking prime Ray was weaker than fucking Oden, or thinking Ace was stronger than Marco, bitch he got neg diffed in 0.03 seconds by an admiral, while Marco could at least keep up a fight with them even though he was clearly inferior. Bepo is also trash, that prisioner dude is stronger than him definely. Not to mention other atrocious examples like Yamato who is clearly inferior to King and maybe even queen.
This pannel just show the vice captains, as for shiryu, is it any wonder he would become vice captain this quickly in a crew that values strenght above EVERYTHING?
Ray> Oden> Scopper
Oden> Marco> Ace
King> Yamato> Queen
Shiryu> Aokiji> Lafitte
Ray is depicted as the Pirate Kings partner and hinted to have been WSS which automaticaΕly puts him above Oden. With training Oden might have got closer but who says Ray stopped? He is in top shape swimming the calm belt at 77.
Oden was depicted as Worlds strongest mans little brother, to strong to be a son (underling) automaticaΕly puts him above young Marco and young Ace. Marco is at his peak clearly below Oden. Whitebeard stated Oden > Ace but Ace had potential to be Pirate King.
King is depicted to the strongest BP commander. BMP-crew clearly respect him a lot and BM even wanted him to join. Yamato, a wild card outside the crew, is a prodigy with Kaido-level potential but in my opinion has yet to surpass King. Kaido seemed to hold back a lot even though he said the opposite, it looked like tough love similar to Garp.
Shiryu was depicted to be equal to Magellan who is leagues above Jinbei, Ivankov, Crocodile. With New World exposure and a new Devil fruit his power level has risen. Aokiji on the other hand lacks a leg and a arm so he is weaker even though he can compensate.
Oden> Marco> Ace
King> Yamato> Queen
Shiryu> Aokiji> Lafitte
Ray is depicted as the Pirate Kings partner and hinted to have been WSS which automaticaΕly puts him above Oden. With training Oden might have got closer but who says Ray stopped? He is in top shape swimming the calm belt at 77.
Oden was depicted as Worlds strongest mans little brother, to strong to be a son (underling) automaticaΕly puts him above young Marco and young Ace. Marco is at his peak clearly below Oden. Whitebeard stated Oden > Ace but Ace had potential to be Pirate King.
King is depicted to the strongest BP commander. BMP-crew clearly respect him a lot and BM even wanted him to join. Yamato, a wild card outside the crew, is a prodigy with Kaido-level potential but in my opinion has yet to surpass King. Kaido seemed to hold back a lot even though he said the opposite, it looked like tough love similar to Garp.
Shiryu was depicted to be equal to Magellan who is leagues above Jinbei, Ivankov, Crocodile. With New World exposure and a new Devil fruit his power level has risen. Aokiji on the other hand lacks a leg and a arm so he is weaker even though he can compensate.
Thats the thing. Not alive or alive doesn't matter anymore.
Fact is Oda placed Old Rayleigh's Conquerors Haki on the same pedestal as Shanks in an SBS question about Conquerors Haki when talking about whether Shanks/Rayleigh can KO the 100,000 new Fishman Pirates.
And we know that the strength of Conquerors Haki is directly related to the characters overall strength and Rayleigh can casually use Internal Destruction & Barrier Advanced Armament. He absolutely can use AdvCOC and is a top tier lol.
Fact is Oda placed Old Rayleigh's Conquerors Haki on the same pedestal as Shanks in an SBS question about Conquerors Haki when talking about whether Shanks/Rayleigh can KO the 100,000 new Fishman Pirates.
And we know that the strength of Conquerors Haki is directly related to the characters overall strength and Rayleigh can casually use Internal Destruction & Barrier Advanced Armament. He absolutely can use AdvCOC and is a top tier lol.
Oda saying ray and shanks could ko all 100,000 compared to fmi luffys 50,000 does not at all mean rayleigh and shanks coc is on the same level
Its like saying idk sasaki can defeat 50 out of 100 sulong minks while jack, akainu, and Magellan can beat all 100. It doesn't mean they're all the same level just that they're all stronger than sasaki
Also back then they were the only oness outside of boa we knew had conquerors. Could the other yonko and other countries we now know of do the same? Maybe but that doesn't put them at the same level just means they're a good amount stronger than fmi luffy
Rayleigh hasn't shown any haki that oden doesn't. With Oden also having the likely being the better swordsman and being even more special with him like roger having the voice of all things
Its like saying idk sasaki can defeat 50 out of 100 sulong minks while jack, akainu, and Magellan can beat all 100. It doesn't mean they're all the same level just that they're all stronger than sasaki
Also back then they were the only oness outside of boa we knew had conquerors. Could the other yonko and other countries we now know of do the same? Maybe but that doesn't put them at the same level just means they're a good amount stronger than fmi luffy
Rayleigh hasn't shown any haki that oden doesn't. With Oden also having the likely being the better swordsman and being even more special with him like roger having the voice of all things
Here's the SBS question.
D: Luffy's haoshoku haki was able to affect 50,000 men, but how many would Shanks and the others be able to defeat? P.N. Captain Nobuo
O: In exactly the same place and exact same situation as Luffy, Shanks or Rayleigh may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000. In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out
The question was about Shanks and the others and at that point we knew that Boa, Whitebeard, Kid and Rayleigh were Conquerors outside of Shanks. He mentions Rayleigh alone. And it isn't just the first time, Garp also puts him on the same pedestal as Whitebeard.
No matter how you want to slice it, he's up there lol.
False Rayleigh could use the more advanced form of Armament - the internal destruction one - while even Oden couldn't do it and he died in chains.
Rayleigh's Conquerors Haki is on par with Shanks, knows how to flow his CoA haki outside of his body. He had all the necessary knowledge to use ACoC as well.
In fact, it's the other way around - Oden has never had the same portrayal/haki feat that Oda gave Rayleigh. And Oden being the better swordsman is purely conjecture and VOAT is useless in battle.
D: Luffy's haoshoku haki was able to affect 50,000 men, but how many would Shanks and the others be able to defeat? P.N. Captain Nobuo
O: In exactly the same place and exact same situation as Luffy, Shanks or Rayleigh may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000. In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out
The question was about Shanks and the others and at that point we knew that Boa, Whitebeard, Kid and Rayleigh were Conquerors outside of Shanks. He mentions Rayleigh alone. And it isn't just the first time, Garp also puts him on the same pedestal as Whitebeard.
No matter how you want to slice it, he's up there lol.
False Rayleigh could use the more advanced form of Armament - the internal destruction one - while even Oden couldn't do it and he died in chains.
Rayleigh's Conquerors Haki is on par with Shanks, knows how to flow his CoA haki outside of his body. He had all the necessary knowledge to use ACoC as well.
In fact, it's the other way around - Oden has never had the same portrayal/haki feat that Oda gave Rayleigh. And Oden being the better swordsman is purely conjecture and VOAT is useless in battle.
Zoro > Alll
@Roronoa-sama what about the SSS project?
@Roronoa-sama what about the SSS project?
I would say Dressrosa Luffy was probably in the YC3 ballpark cause when he took on Cracker next he proved almost as powerful 1v1 but if anything he was a bad match up for Luffy due his vast defensive biscuit range which is difficult to tackle for someone lacking a lot of vast ranged AoE attacks like Luffy.
Luffy would have probably high diffed Jack instead imo.
Luffy would have probably high diffed Jack instead imo.
Oden's armament is just as advanced as the scabbards and zoro if not more so do none of them have that technique of armament down?
Ray and shanks being able to knock out all 100,000 there still doesn't mean if there were 100 million they'd be able to ko the same amount. It also doesn't mean other conquerors couldn't either because even fmi luffy could ko half of them. It just means they could ko all Fishman available there
And thats an sbs question from vol 65 when we were still in fmi. The only people that were confirmed to use coc were luffy, ray, shanks, boa, and whitebeard at the time.
Rays best haki feat is breaking chains odens best haki feat is scaring kaido
Ray and shanks being able to knock out all 100,000 there still doesn't mean if there were 100 million they'd be able to ko the same amount. It also doesn't mean other conquerors couldn't either because even fmi luffy could ko half of them. It just means they could ko all Fishman available there
And thats an sbs question from vol 65 when we were still in fmi. The only people that were confirmed to use coc were luffy, ray, shanks, boa, and whitebeard at the time.
Rays best haki feat is breaking chains odens best haki feat is scaring kaido