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You cant make this shit up.

I dont know where you get you information, but Oda has admitted that he changed roof top fights for chapter 1000 celebration.
He introduced Shanks to promote film RED.
He forced the Tama-Ace timeline, later he said it was a mistake and corrected it (IIRC).


More importantly, if Wano Arc was supposed to be the Magnum Opus of Oda, then he failed big time. It only shows that he failed as an artist.
10+ years of build up for an arc like Wano?
Enjoy that shit if you want, but dont act like it was the best thing that happened in fiction.
Who gives a shit about changing how things are executed?

That has zero bearing on the core concepts of the story, lmao.

Oda knew he wanted to introduce a singing skeleton with a connection to Laboon, way back when he introduced Laboon. It took Years to get to Thriller Bark. If Oda changed 50 things during Thriller Bark, it has no impact on the Brook/Laboon plotline.
 

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Because there was just so many of those, wasnt there?

What's more logical? It's because he wanted to draw sword fights, which was damn near non existent? Or how he set up everything around Wano, about "brining the Dawn" and that's just so happened where he introduced the "Sun God" Nika?
in counter let me ask you this bro

wanting to draw fights in land of samurais with all the hype and build ups logical?? or turning luffy into a god with next to nothing build up logical??
 
Who gives a shit about changing how things are executed?

That has zero bearing on the core concepts of the story, lmao.

Oda knew he wanted to introduce a singing skeleton with a connection to Laboon, way back when he introduced Laboon. It took Years to get to Thriller Bark. If Oda changed 50 things during Thriller Bark, it has no impact on the Brook/Laboon plotline.
Response 1: Oda planned this arc for 10+ years

Response 2: Who gives a shit if he made changes and how he executed it


Listen, longetivity is not always the best. Oda is an unconclusive writer. I repeat, UNCONCLUSIVE WRITER.
He can use bait-and-switch method to fool the audience, but the end result will always be unsatisfactory (like Wano's ending).

No, it is not about expectations. It is about basic storytelling. Regardless, stans gonna stan no matter what.
 
Because there was just so many of those, wasnt there?

What's more logical? It's because he wanted to draw sword fights, which was damn near non existent? Or how he set up everything around Wano, about "brining the Dawn" and that's just so happened where he introduced the "Sun God" Nika?
sun god was first introduced in elbaf?
I forgot this
 
Plus, I am tired of hearing One Piece is weekly manga, it is not for everyone, lol.
I am 27, and I have been reading mangas since 2012-13.
I am saying this after reading One Piece for more than 11 years.
How long have you been reading OP?
I've been reading One Piece since the end of Skypiea.

And I never said it's not for everyone. My point of the entire thing is we are reading an unfinished product, that was initially only to last 5 years. Obviously Oda had his core themes thought up way back then.

Manga is written weekly. It takes time for an Author to introduce everything they want, because of how limited the release is. It takes time for the entire story to be told the way it is intended. And this is statement about mangas in general, not just One Piece.

WI things change along the way? Of course. But Oda has made it abundantly clear over the years, that he has a clear vision for the ending of One Piece, and that's exactly where we are now.
 
Response 1: Oda planned this arc for 10+ years

Response 2: Who gives a shit if he made changes and how he executed it


Listen, longetivity is not always the best. Oda is an unconclusive writer. I repeat, UNCONCLUSIVE WRITER.
He can use bait-and-switch method to fool the audience, but the end result will always be unsatisfactory (like Wano's ending).

No, it is not about expectations. It is about basic storytelling. Regardless, stans gonna stan no matter what.
Bruh, the arcs are structured around the core concepts. That's how you write a story. You can change the scenarios 1000 times, but the core concept your trying to convey, will always remain the same.

How do you not understand this?
 

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Lillymon kinda bad tho
It wasn't a problem with Katakuri. Some Devil fruit are just a little bit special that's all.
He says as Katakuri's fruit was introduced as a logia, Oda or one his editors realized that made no sense and changed it into "special paramecia" and called it a day. Obviously there was a problem there.
 
I've been reading One Piece since the end of Skypiea.

And I never said it's not for everyone. My point of the entire thing is we are reading an unfinished product, that was initially only to last 5 years. Obviously Oda had his core themes thought up way back then.

Manga is written weekly. It takes time for an Author to introduce everything they want, because of how limited the release is. It takes time for the entire story to be told the way it is intended. And this is statement about mangas in general, not just One Piece.

WI things change along the way? Of course. But Oda has made it abundantly clear over the years, that he has a clear vision for the ending of One Piece, and that's exactly where we are now.
Clear vision?
Like he had clear vision of ending One Piece in 5 years?
Like he said Luffy wont beat Kaido through a bigger punch?
 
again bro can you read mind??

as far as I remember oda was excited to draw sword fights in wano
I find it hilarious how you say that to me, while blatantly assuming Oda wanted to draw Wano because of "Sword fights" with literally zero evidence to back that up.

Sword fights were damn near non existent in Wano, but that's what your claiming.

I provided you an example of how Wano was tied to bringing the Dawn, which has been a thing for a long time now, and Sun God Nika was introduced that very arc.
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Clear vision?
Like he had clear vision of ending One Piece in 5 years?
Like he said Luffy wont beat Kaido through a bigger punch?
I thought the Brook example would have been enough to get what I'm saying, but clearly not. Oh well...
 
Bruh, the arcs are structured around the core concepts. That's how you write a story. You can change the scenarios 1000 times, but the core concept your trying to convey, will always remain the same.

How do you not understand this?
What are you even talking about?

Are you saying Oda wanted to show the Dawn at the end of Wano and successfuly did that?
Is this what you are focusing on?
 
Then what about the shit that happened in between?

If the core concepts is all that matters, then why to extend the arc for 4-5 years?
It is like going from point A to B, why use car to travel 1000 km, when you can jump to point B?
Again, I use the Brook scenario as an example. Oda new since WAY back at the Twin Capes, that he wanted to introduce a singing skeleton, related to Brook. That was a core concept of his story. It took YEARS to get to Thriller Bark. How many times do you think the scenarios changed between then, before Brook was finally introduced, and how he was introduced?

The core concept never changed.
 
Again, I use the Brook scenario as an example. Oda new since WAY back at the Twin Capes, that he wanted to introduce a singing skeleton, related to Brook. That was a core concept of his story. It took YEARS to get to Thriller Bark. How many times do you think the scenarios changed between then, before Brook was finally introduced, and how he was introduced?

The core concept never changed.
You cant compare Pre TS to Post TS.
Pre TS > Post TS.
Brook scenario was good, but what about Wano?
What if the process of doing things is utter BS that it makes ending (or getting to core concept) distasteful?

Does doing one thing right gives a free paas to do 10 things wrong?
 
You cant compare Pre TS to Post TS.
Pre TS > Post TS.
Brook scenario was good, but what about Wano?
What if the process of doing things is utter BS that it makes ending (or getting to core concept) distasteful?

Does doing one thing right gives a free paas to do 10 things wrong?
When did this turn into what Wano did right or wrong?
 
oda said that in a SBS or interview I don't remember which one tho

so I m not telling you my assumption rather oda's words
Kind of find it hard to believe, considering the utter lack of swords fights that didn't happen on Wano, and yet that's what we are supposed to believe that's what he was so excited for, for years, and then didn't do it? OK, I guess.
 
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