Chapter Discussion Did Chapter 970 ruin your opinion on Kaido?
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It somewhat ruined it. And yes yes, I know some will say "Kaido got stronger in those 20 years"
And sure, I can agree to that, BUT to some extent.
Here is my issue, and why Kaido went down in ranks for me. Kaido had some mystery behind his "tough invincible skin" to the point most of us viewers when Luffy stated that "advanced armament haki which Rayleigh showed can affect Kaido if he learned it". Most of us thought that it's not going to work as easy as what Luffy suggested. Because we had the idea that " Kaido must have fought so many Top Tiers. But they couldn't do that to him.
We had the idea of:
1- Enma must be something special, a cursed sword, something about the sword so mysterious that it can penetrate any defense, including Kaido's skin.
2- Law's DF may play a role in Kaido getting wounded by other normal attacks, as immortality subject was brought into the table.
And we and we had this HUUUUGE expectation of how hard it is to wound Kaido, and it's not what Luffy's solution was.
But the reality after chapter 970, is that Luffy was actually on point. e was 100% right. And it is as simple as "learning advanced Armament Haki" will allow you to strike Kaido down.
with 970, Ame no Habakiri scarring Kaido, made Enma has no "Special mysterious powers" and it is as simple as Oden simply had strong advanced haki to cut Kaido with ANY good level sword.
Secondly, Kaido's immortality "was proven to be false" with him being wounded heavily and can be damaged.
Thirdly, I understand Kaido could have gotten stronger in those 20 years, BUT it's not the issue here. The issue is that Kaido is feared for his invincibility, something he had OVER 20 years ago. The legend of his invincibility did NOT come after this fight. It was BEFORE. So, even in our current time, if Oden landed the same strike, Kaido would be 100% wounded.
Which is why, in terms of expectations and ranking, he dropped for me. And it became MUCH MORE believable that many characters like the admirals and other Yonko to wound him EASILY. Because simply All admirals (at least the original trio, showed advanced armament haki).
So, what I'm saying is, what made Kaido (SPECIAL) in our eyes, was braught down in one chapter by Oda, because so many characters right now seem to have the means and ability to injure Kaido.
And sure, I can agree to that, BUT to some extent.
Here is my issue, and why Kaido went down in ranks for me. Kaido had some mystery behind his "tough invincible skin" to the point most of us viewers when Luffy stated that "advanced armament haki which Rayleigh showed can affect Kaido if he learned it". Most of us thought that it's not going to work as easy as what Luffy suggested. Because we had the idea that " Kaido must have fought so many Top Tiers. But they couldn't do that to him.
We had the idea of:
1- Enma must be something special, a cursed sword, something about the sword so mysterious that it can penetrate any defense, including Kaido's skin.
2- Law's DF may play a role in Kaido getting wounded by other normal attacks, as immortality subject was brought into the table.
And we and we had this HUUUUGE expectation of how hard it is to wound Kaido, and it's not what Luffy's solution was.
But the reality after chapter 970, is that Luffy was actually on point. e was 100% right. And it is as simple as "learning advanced Armament Haki" will allow you to strike Kaido down.
with 970, Ame no Habakiri scarring Kaido, made Enma has no "Special mysterious powers" and it is as simple as Oden simply had strong advanced haki to cut Kaido with ANY good level sword.
Secondly, Kaido's immortality "was proven to be false" with him being wounded heavily and can be damaged.
Thirdly, I understand Kaido could have gotten stronger in those 20 years, BUT it's not the issue here. The issue is that Kaido is feared for his invincibility, something he had OVER 20 years ago. The legend of his invincibility did NOT come after this fight. It was BEFORE. So, even in our current time, if Oden landed the same strike, Kaido would be 100% wounded.
Which is why, in terms of expectations and ranking, he dropped for me. And it became MUCH MORE believable that many characters like the admirals and other Yonko to wound him EASILY. Because simply All admirals (at least the original trio, showed advanced armament haki).
So, what I'm saying is, what made Kaido (SPECIAL) in our eyes, was braught down in one chapter by Oda, because so many characters right now seem to have the means and ability to injure Kaido.
Nope, it brought nothing new on the table. Well, I didn't expect Oden to be actually stronger than Kaido but on the other hand it was always clear that Kaido is among the 2 weakest yonkos with BM. Let's leave alone the "people says" box which at this point has totally been debunked. Kaido is the strongest zoan and so strongest creature or at best the strongest character physically but that is that.
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Kata is the only YC1 luffy has fought and will ever fight 1vs 1
You want Luffy to fight Shanks? Wont happen
Shanks isnt strongest and isnt an enemy
Teach is still growing
BM is linked to Kaido. Both might fall this arc.
Also Luffy wont solo Kaido.
Kidd fought base Kaido until he collapsed
Did luffy survive base Kaido?
So your point is?
You want Luffy to fight Shanks? Wont happen
Shanks isnt strongest and isnt an enemy
Teach is still growing
BM is linked to Kaido. Both might fall this arc.
Also Luffy wont solo Kaido.
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Kidd fought base Kaido until he collapsed
Did luffy survive base Kaido?
So your point is?
This should all be pointless. We already knew his "invincible body" had already been damaged so he wasn't really invincible and we knew he took L's leading to torture when he was first introduced. Everything you posted should not have any bearing on the character by what we knew especially since this was a weaker version of him. Oden cutting him simply shown the level of AP needed to break his durability back then and mind you kaido wasn't using haki while oden was. I don't get how you guys knocking kaido are retroactively grading him on stuff we knew happened.
Also yes many characters should be able to hurt kaido as there are still top tiers and kaido was never separated from them. Kaido wouldn't fight a top tier and leave undamaged as that would imply he would low or at best mid diffed them which the story hasn't been eluding to at all.
Also yes many characters should be able to hurt kaido as there are still top tiers and kaido was never separated from them. Kaido wouldn't fight a top tier and leave undamaged as that would imply he would low or at best mid diffed them which the story hasn't been eluding to at all.
That's not true
We knew he was hurt at one point and got the scar.
But there are sooo many who assumed that the scar happened "before" he became "invincible" or "unkillable"
Which is why some also theorized that Big Mom saved Kaido's life, and he was indebted to her. And later on he became invincible.
So, I respectfully disagree.
And yeah, I know that those are expectations made from us fans, not the writer. But that's the point, because so many of us had this type of view about him, it changed our own view on Kaido AFTER this chapter came out
Which is what my answer to this thread is
We knew he was hurt at one point and got the scar.
But there are sooo many who assumed that the scar happened "before" he became "invincible" or "unkillable"
Which is why some also theorized that Big Mom saved Kaido's life, and he was indebted to her. And later on he became invincible.
So, I respectfully disagree.
And yeah, I know that those are expectations made from us fans, not the writer. But that's the point, because so many of us had this type of view about him, it changed our own view on Kaido AFTER this chapter came out
Which is what my answer to this thread is
it didnt tell us what we didnt know.
when I supported the idea oden had the upperhand in the fight, people thought I wasnt serious or oden put all the strength in his magic blade enma in order to cut him. Kaido is where I expected him to be. not much better than any other toptier. real dehype moments comes in the way he loses this arc.
when I supported the idea oden had the upperhand in the fight, people thought I wasnt serious or oden put all the strength in his magic blade enma in order to cut him. Kaido is where I expected him to be. not much better than any other toptier. real dehype moments comes in the way he loses this arc.
Just because some thought he got the scar before he became "invincible" is irrelevant as they aren't the entire community and it doesn't make sense. When he was introduced he had the scar and it was stated that he lost plenty of times. Those losses lead to torture which didn't work boosting his "invincible" legend. Nothing from his introduction says he got his scar before he became "invincible" as it was said he already lost and it was already shown he had his dragon df since back when oden was alive which is the source of his "invincibility". Again some fan made theory is irrelevant. So if i make theory about orochi being stronger than kaido and get a couple guys to agree. Are you gonna say we speak for the fandom and it hurts orochi's character cuz he's revealed not to be stronger than kaido?
Fans are wrong alot. Remember mf when mingo stopped jozu and no one knew mingo's power? We had time stopping, gravity control, mind control, etc. Fans are wrong a bunch of the times and just the 3 i remember off the top of my head people saying mingo powers were are all better than string. So does this make mingo a worse character cuz fans were wrong about his power? It is yall fault for blindly believing something about kaido that was never even hinted at. How do you fault the character for something you and a group of people believed about him based off your own made up theories? That doesn't make any sense.
Im saying to you and others that somehow think his character got worse cuz of chapter 970 how? We already knew a scar hurt kaido's "invincible" body and we knew oden's swords did it before the flashback even started. So how does oden doing something we knew he'd do make kaido worse? In fact it should make him better since he didn't use haki to defend which most would assume he did. So it's unknown if oden would even cut him had he used his haki.
Fans are wrong alot. Remember mf when mingo stopped jozu and no one knew mingo's power? We had time stopping, gravity control, mind control, etc. Fans are wrong a bunch of the times and just the 3 i remember off the top of my head people saying mingo powers were are all better than string. So does this make mingo a worse character cuz fans were wrong about his power? It is yall fault for blindly believing something about kaido that was never even hinted at. How do you fault the character for something you and a group of people believed about him based off your own made up theories? That doesn't make any sense.
Im saying to you and others that somehow think his character got worse cuz of chapter 970 how? We already knew a scar hurt kaido's "invincible" body and we knew oden's swords did it before the flashback even started. So how does oden doing something we knew he'd do make kaido worse? In fact it should make him better since he didn't use haki to defend which most would assume he did. So it's unknown if oden would even cut him had he used his haki.
Nah nah nah
I never said Kaido is worse as character!
I only stated my view of him changed in terms of "power"
Being less invincible doesn't take away from his greatness for me!
Also, there is one point that also needs clarification from Oda. Which is whether he had a hand in making the old hag pretending to be Momonosuke or he didn't know
Cause this changes our mind about what type of character he was. Cause we also had the view that he's a person who likes to fight, lives to fight, and NO ONE dares to interfere in his fights and ruin his duels.
So, his personality changes for me, if he had a hand in this
Like I said, it never made Kaido worse character or better.
I like him the same.
It simply changes the view im terms of "power" and "personality"
I never said Kaido is worse as character!
I only stated my view of him changed in terms of "power"
Being less invincible doesn't take away from his greatness for me!
Also, there is one point that also needs clarification from Oda. Which is whether he had a hand in making the old hag pretending to be Momonosuke or he didn't know
Cause this changes our mind about what type of character he was. Cause we also had the view that he's a person who likes to fight, lives to fight, and NO ONE dares to interfere in his fights and ruin his duels.
So, his personality changes for me, if he had a hand in this
Like I said, it never made Kaido worse character or better.
I like him the same.
It simply changes the view im terms of "power" and "personality"