Chapter Discussion Did Chapter 970 ruin your opinion on Kaido?

[HeroesNZ]

Were Kuzan, Akainu or Kizaru de-hyped when they capitalised on their opportunities to take out the WB pirates? It's a war, only a fool would stop and wait for the opponent to be ready to fight again. This was the only way Oda could write Past Kaido defeating Oden without revealing his hidden abilities that he's saving for the current arc.

Kaido was rivalling the likes of Moriah 3 years prior to the battle, I expected him to be much weaker. But this is a Kaido before the suicidal tendencies, and there's no mention of any title so we know that Kaido grew further after this battle as he went on to become known as the WSC due to other events, as no one knows about events that occur in Wano.

So it changes nothing in my mind, and I've always felt Dragon Kaido was useless 1v1 anyway. All it shows is that Base Kaido's AP is beyond ridiculous as even Oden was damn near one-shotted 20 years ago. It's to the point where I hope it's not randomly nerfed during the battle with the SHs. But after seeing Current Kaido clash with BM for days, it was that that confirmed to me that he's pretty much on-par with the other top-tiers anyway, with at best a very small difference in strength.

 

[MD Zolo]

Were Kuzan, Akainu or Kizaru de-hyped when they capitalised on their opportunities to take out the WB pirates? It's a war, only a fool would stop and wait for the opponent to be ready to fight again. This was the only way Oda could write Past Kaido defeating Oden without revealing his hidden abilities that he's saving for the current arc.

Firstly, they were up against the WSM. Kaido was up against Oden only. And let's face it, few days ago, most Kaido fans wouldn't even consider thinking that Oden was anywhere near as strong as Kaido. Some already speculated that Kaido wouldn't win it fairly and they were denounced by Kaido fans.

Secondly, don't Kaido and Yonkou fans in general love to bring Sqaudro incident to dehype Admirals? Answer, yes, they do.

Face it, you guys walked into this one.

 

[Buusatan94]

I don't see how it makes Kaido weaker, we already knew that Oden managed to scar Kaido and we don't know what would have happened had there been a true fight between Kaido and Oden and Kaido was most certainely weaker that he is today.

 

[HeroesNZ]

Firstly, they were up against the WSM. Kaido was up against Oden only. And let's face it, few days ago, most Kaido fans wouldn't even consider thinking that Oden was anywhere near as strong as Kaido. Some already speculated that Kaido wouldn't win it fairly and they were denounced by Kaido fans.

Secondly, don't Kaido and Yonkou fans in general love to bring Sqaudro incident to dehype Admirals? Answer, yes, they do.

Face it, you guys walked into this one.

So because Past Kaido was up against Oden and his crew that all of a sudden means he has to fight fairly...? Huh? He's a pirate and obviously not a good guy, why tf would he fight fairly in a battle against his enemy lmfao. Makes no sense.

Well that's their problem not mine, their opinions have nothing to do with me. I believe Kaido grew stronger over the 20 years so I wasn't expecting much, he actually surprised me.

Again you're talking to the wrong person. I believe each of the Admirals were easily stronger than MF Whitebeard and that they're on-par with the Yonkou. And idk who the "you guys" you're referring to is either.

 

[OmegaPsyche]

So we all knew Oden Scarred Kaido from 20 chapters back.

We all assumed it happened while Kaido was in hybrid form. We also assumed the attack wouldn't come from a surprise attack.
It was the exact opposite of what I assumed it would be.

More importantly, if Kaido was in base form he would have blocked the attack, thus Kaido would have no scar right now.

Yet despite all that Kaido hype got ruined last chapter. GTFO.

 

[ardym]

well for me it has not changed anything since i always thought that Kaido was never Nr , i always believed that at least Shanks and BB will be stronger than him and that he and BM are the weakest 2 yonkos, for the reason that they are the two who are gonna down first.

 

[Dark Admiral]

It was already stated Kaido took 7Ls throughout his Pirate Life, got caught and tortured by Navy and Enemies countless times, even got execution attempts also the fact that Oden was the one who gave him scar. NO, my opinion on Kaido doesn't change after this chapter cause it showed me nothing I hadn't already known about him. I'm surprised he didn't get his 1 of the Ls from Oden though.

 

[Haoshoku]

Firstly, they were up against the WSM. Kaido was up against Oden only. And let's face it, few days ago, most Kaido fans wouldn't even consider thinking that Oden was anywhere near as strong as Kaido. Some already speculated that Kaido wouldn't win it fairly and they were denounced by Kaido fans.

Secondly, don't Kaido and Yonkou fans in general love to bring Sqaudro incident to dehype Admirals? Answer, yes, they do.

Face it, you guys walked into this one.

I really dislike this generalization of others’ opinions. tbh. Whoever even sways on one side of one topic, they’re deemed a fan of the given character when that simply isn’t the case, dude was just giving his view on things, what certain fandoms think ain’t got anything to do with that.

That being said, this chapter was certainly surprising but it doesn’t change anything when it comes to Kaido. We was already expecting that injury with Kaido, and he almost one shot Oden in return, people who are in on the downplay against him just based off this chapter alone will eat their words in coming months, gurantee that.

 

[MD Zolo]

So because Past Kaido was up against Oden and his crew that all of a sudden means he has to fight fairly...? Huh? He's a pirate and obviously not a good guy, why tf would he fight fairly in a battle against his enemy lmfao. Makes no sense.

I never questioned why he didn't fight fairly. What I said was this: Admirals were up against the WSM, so even if they didn't fight fairly, it didn't significantly dehype them. Whereas, Kaido was fighting mere Oden (who isn't WSM or Pirate King material), so when Kaido didn't fight Oden fairly, it significantly dehyped him. Kaido doesn't HAVE to fight fairly , but if he doesn't, he's strength should rightfully be questioned.

Well that's their problem not mine, their opinions have nothing to do with me. I believe Kaido grew stronger over the 20 years so I wasn't expecting much, he actually surprised me.

Well...sure Kaido has gotten stronger.

Again you're talking to the wrong person. I believe each of the Admirals were easily stronger than MF Whitebeard and that they're on-par with the Yonkou. And idk who the "you guys" you're referring to is either.

Right now, even after this chapter, you who says that Kaido almost one-shotted Oden, I am talking to the right person.

I really dislike this generalization of others’ opinions. tbh. Whoever even sways on one side of one topic, they’re deemed a fan of the given character when that simply isn’t the case, dude was just giving his view on things, what certain fandoms think ain’t got anything to do with that.

Dude said that Kaido almost one-shotted Oden. This was not a generalization.

 

[Finalbeta]

I don't see how it makes Kaido weaker, we already knew that Oden managed to scar Kaido and we don't know what would have happened had there been a true fight between Kaido and Oden and Kaido was most certainely weaker that he is today.

Current Kaido is definitely stronger than Oden which makes your point very legit. It will take the combined efforts of Zoro and Luffy to put him out.

 

[zzShinichi]

Now i feel bad for those 2 Beast Pirates lackeys that got boinked by Kaidou's oneshot-club during his drunkness Gonna need a shovel for that

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Yep, the injury part part damaged his hype, they were basically empty words.

But more than that, him scheming with Orochi for five years to avoid facing Oden and his subordinates made him just another villain instead of the "fight everything" guy he was supposed to be, meh.

 

[nik87]

The chapter didnt change my mind on Kaido but it changed my mind on Oden.

 

[HeroesNZ]

I never questioned why he didn't fight fairly. What I said was this: Admirals were up against the WSM, so even if they didn't fight fairly, it didn't significantly dehype them. Whereas, Kaido was fighting mere Oden (who isn't WSM or Pirate King material), so when Kaido didn't fight Oden fairly, it significantly dehyped him. Kaido doesn't HAVE to fight fairly , but if he doesn't, he's strength should rightfully be questioned.



Well...sure Kaido has gotten stronger.



Right now, even after this chapter, you who says that Kaido almost one-shotted Oden, I am talking to the right person.



Dude said that Kaido almost one-shotted Oden. This was not a generalization.

Except it only de-hypes him relative to where you expected to place Past Kaido. For people who had very low expectations as they believe he grew notably over the 20 years like myself, it's actually the opposite. Soon as I saw he battled Moriah 3 years prior I expected nothing from him. And yet even a low top-tier like Oden had trouble with Dragon Kaido and Kaido's club was still incredibly lethal even 20 years ago.

If you agree he got stronger that's all I need to know.

Oden had only taken superficial damage on-panel up to that point, no different to Kaku vs Zoro. Hence it's not a one-shot but he was down in one significant hit. You quoted me expecting me to defend other peoples' arguments cos you assumed they were my own. It's okay just own it, happens to the best of us.

The distraction is the only way Oda could write Past Kaido defeating Oden without showing his hidden abilities that are being saved for the current arc. Once you understand that, there's no de-hype at all.

I mean I really don't hope you think Past Kaido used all of his abilities vs Oden, cos if you did we might as well end this right now as it'd be a waste of both our time.

 

[MD Zolo]

Except it only de-hypes him relative to where you expected to place Past Kaido. For people who had very low expectations as they believe he grew notably over the 20 years like myself, it's actually the opposite. Soon as I saw he battled Moriah 3 years prior I expected nothing from him. And yet even a low top-tier like Oden had trouble with Dragon Kaido and Kaido's club was still incredibly lethal even 20 years ago.

If you agree he got stronger that's all I need to know.

Oden had only taken superficial damage on-panel up to that point, no different to Kaku vs Zoro. Hence it's not a one-shot but he was down in one significant hit. You quoted me expecting me to defend other peoples' arguments cos you assumed they were my own. It's okay just own it, happens to the best of us.

The distraction is the only way Oda could write Past Kaido defeating Oden without showing his hidden abilities that are being saved for the current arc. Once you understand that, there's no de-hype at all.

I mean I really don't hope you think Past Kaido used all of his abilities vs Oden, cos if you did we might as well end this right now as it'd be a waste of both our time.

Kaido got stronger. But it was not a part of his current hype which was given when he was introduced. The hype that he was invincible was also stated in Ch. 970.

Meaning people already thought of him as invincible 20 years ago, but Oden proved otherwise.

Is Kaido strong? Yes. Is Kaido stronger now than 20 years ago? Yes. But is the people hearsay true? Not likely. People hearsay wasn't true 20 years ago and Kaido will have to prove that it is true now.

Has Kaido proven that? No. He didn't beat Shanks or Big Mom. He didn't beat WB. He clashed equally with a nerfed BM. He one-shotted Luffy and easily defeated Kid/Killer. That's his portrayal and feat. The introduction panel is just empty words and it can no longer be used to put Kaido in a pedestal.

Kaido will prove to be a very strong antagonist. But that just it. The original question was basically: Did Ch. 970 dehyped Kaido? Answer is: Yes. It proved that Kaido wasn't invincible before and it proved that hype surrounding Kaido existed 20 years ago and it didn't mean anything. So, current hype needs to be taken at face value.

 

[OmegaPsyche]

Kaido got stronger. But it was not a part of his current hype which was given when he was introduced. The hype that he was invincible was also stated in Ch. 970.

Meaning people already thought of him as invincible 20 years ago, but Oden proved otherwise.

Is Kaido strong? Yes. Is Kaido stronger now than 20 years ago? Yes. But is the people hearsay true? Not likely. People hearsay wasn't true 20 years ago and Kaido will have to prove that it is true now.

Has Kaido proven that? No. He didn't beat Shanks or Big Mom. He didn't beat WB. He clashed equally with a nerfed BM. He one-shotted Luffy and easily defeated Kid/Killer. That's his portrayal and feat. The introduction panel is just empty words and it can no longer be used to put Kaido in a pedestal.

Kaido will prove to be a very strong antagonist. But that just it. The original question was basically: Did Ch. 970 dehyped Kaido? Answer is: Yes. It proved that Kaido wasn't invincible before and it proved that hype surrounding Kaido existed 20 years ago and it didn't mean anything. So, current hype needs to be taken at face value.

Kaido was called WSC back then? Where?

 

[MD Zolo]

Kaido was called WSC back then? Where?

No, He was called 'invincible' by his minions. It seems to me that his current hype is just even more exaggerated version of his hype 20 years ago.

You want to say otherwise? The burden of proof is on you. So far Kaido has only defeated Luffy and Kid. Not an Admiral or a Yonkou.

 

[OmegaPsyche]

No, He was called 'invincible' by his minions. It seems to me that his current hype is just even more exaggerated version of his hype 20 years ago.

You want to say otherwise? The burden of proof is on you. So far Kaido has only defeated Luffy and Kid. Not an Admiral or a Yonkou.

Wasn't da same thought about Kuri by Flampe & fodder?

 

[MD Zolo]

Wasn't da same thought about Kuri by Flampe & fodder?

That refutes my point how??? It just reinforces the idea that b.s. hype are all around in OP. So, back up Kaido with feat. Can you?

 

[OmegaPsyche]

That refutes my point how??? It just reinforces the idea that b.s. hype are all around in OP. So, back up Kaido with feat. Can you?

Neither Kuri nor Kaido, 20 years ago, were hyped by gen population as WSC, unless u can find a quote that I don't know of. Fodder subordinate opinions don't matter.